Example of terrorist "courage" ?

**Covertjay** · 05-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ But, do you get the point ?

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make. That countries that frequently go to war are somehow more liberal, sorry, make that "have more liberty"?

And who gets to decide who is patriotic and who is supporting a tyrant?

Exactamundo!

**barbaro** · 05-07-2006, 04:27 PM

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison
while a United States Congressman

**Boon Mee** · 05-07-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison
while a United States Congressman

So where's the tyranny & opression?

**Whiteshiva** · 05-07-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Milkman

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison
while a United States Congressman

So where's the tyranny & opression?

In his original article, "Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist regimes:

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4) Supremacy of the Military
5) Rampant Sexism
6) Controlled Mass Media
7) Obsession with National Security
8) Religion and Government are Intertwined
9) Corporate Power is Protected
10) Labor Power is Suppressed
11) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14) Fraudulent Elections

In most of the countries above, people didn't suddenly wake up one day and find them self on a fascist regime. It happened gradually. Which is why we should all be aware of the signs......

**Butterfly** · 05-07-2006, 07:22 PM

fit to a tee, the US and Thailand incendently

**Whiteshiva** · 05-07-2006, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

fit to a tee, the US and Thailand incendently

Well, I personally consider both these countries to be democracies, but I admit there has been a worrying shift in the wrong direction in the past few years....

**Butterfly** · 05-07-2006, 09:11 PM

^ they still are, technically, doesn't mean they are effectively

**stroller** · 05-07-2006, 09:17 PM

Sorry to be pedantic here:

Both have incorporated democratic principles, but the US is a Constitution-based federal republic, Thailand a constitutional monarchy.

Not that this makes a difference to your argument.

**Storekeeper** · 06-07-2006, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4) Supremacy of the Military
5) Rampant Sexism
6) Controlled Mass Media
7) Obsession with National Security
8) Religion and Government are Intertwined
9) Corporate Power is Protected
10) Labor Power is Suppressed
11) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14) Fraudulent Elections

In most of the countries above, people didn't suddenly wake up one day and find them self on a fascist regime. It happened gradually. Which is why we should all be aware of the signs......

I don't have a problem with the point you're making here. I just have a problem with your thinking that the USA is on some sort of slippery slope to hell. That's just total malarkey. The list goes left then the list goes right ... every once in a while the ship has to right itself. The ship went too far left for too long and it took a President with balls like GWB to bring it back to center. I'm sure it'll drift back left over time.

Nobody can stay in power long enough in the USA to take the country far enough left or far enough right to be compared to the countries you mentioned. Ain't nobody powerful enough to change our Constitution to make that happen.

**Butterfly** · 06-07-2006, 07:29 AM

but going to the left is part of evolution, while going back to the right is a step backward. Why would you want to do that ?

**attaboy** · 06-07-2006, 08:52 AM

A move to the right is a step back from the brink.

**Covertjay** · 06-07-2006, 08:56 AM

[quote=Storekeeper Ain't nobody powerful enough to change our Constitution to make that happen.[/quote]

Just powerful enough to ignore it, and setting up homeland security and the Patriot Act 1 & 2 is like giving yourselves an internal KGB.

For real US patriots it's wake up time or 5th Reich time.

**Storekeeper** · 06-07-2006, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Covertjay

Just powerful enough to ignore it, and setting up homeland security and the Patriot Act 1 & 2 is like giving yourselves an internal KGB. For real US patriots it's wake up time or 5th Reich time.

Thinking that way makes you no less guilty of fear mongering than what GWB is accused of.

Something like the 5th Reich happening in the USA is IMPOSSIBLE. The only reason you can think this way or believe it's possible is if you truly believe the majority in the US are retards as my boy MtD would suggest

**Marmite the Dog** · 06-07-2006, 10:24 AM

The US going left. When? I'm still waiting for the day it gets to the centre on the political meter.

The Us is either right (when its moderate) or fascist (about now).

**Storekeeper** · 06-07-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - - Dr. Samuel Johnson

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" - Oscar Wilde

"I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country." -- Nathan Hale's last words before being hanged by British.

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." -- Thomas Paine

"I venture to suggest that partiotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adali Stevenson

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain

"Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? Sure I love my country with all her faults. I'm not ashamed of that, never have been, never will be." -- John Wayne

**Butterfly** · 06-07-2006, 10:36 AM

^ flying planes in building was also considered impossible a few years ago. It will happen

John Wayne was a fag, always been, but I am sure you don't mind

**stroller** · 06-07-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Something like the 5th Reich happening in the USA is IMPOSSIBLE. The only reason you can think this way or believe it's possible is if you truly believe the majority in the US are retards as my boy MtD would suggest

Maybe not the majority, but a decisive portion of the former slave states, no doubt about it.

**Covertjay** · 06-07-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Covertjay

Just powerful enough to ignore it, and setting up homeland security and the Patriot Act 1 & 2 is like giving yourselves an internal KGB. For real US patriots it's wake up time or 5th Reich time.

Thinking that way makes you no less guilty of fear mongering than what GWB is accused of.

Something like the 5th Reich happening in the USA is IMPOSSIBLE. The only reason you can think this way or believe it's possible is if you truly believe the majority in the US are retards as my boy MtD would suggest

It only took Hitler 32% of the vote.

**Storekeeper** · 06-07-2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Covertjay

It only took Hitler 32% of the vote.

Apples & Oranges.

Totally different circumstances. Hitler had a white German military. You could never get a multicultural military like the US has to do the same things as the Nazis did to their brother and sister Filipinos, Mexicans, Blacks.

Hitler also didn't have to worry about a country or military full of Catholics, Pentecostals, Jews, Atheists, Scientologists, Wiggans, Crips, Bloods, Hells Angels, gays, Puerto Ricans, Guamanians, Baptists, Sean Penns.

Cindy Sheehan would have been permanently been put to rest by now if the US was even close to be a 5th Reich.

(I wish you guys would quit bothering me with this stuff when I'm reading all this fascinating stuff about rape, murder, brutality, racism and that sort of stuff in the British military)

**Marmite the Dog** · 06-07-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

(I wish you guys would quit bothering me with this stuff when I'm reading all this fascinating stuff about rape, murder, brutality, racism and that sort of stuff in the British military)

That's the problem going to war with the US. Some of their military norms rub off on our guys.

**Storekeeper** · 06-07-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

That's the problem going to war with the US. Some of their military norms rub off on our guys.

Now that's a scary thought ... what kinda stuff might rub off on me when I starting living among the whiny farangs in Thailland ?

**Marmite the Dog** · 06-07-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

That's the problem going to war with the US. Some of their military norms rub off on our guys.

Now that's a scary thought ... what kinda stuff might rub off on me when I starting living among the whiny farangs in Thailland ?

I'm not sure there are any where you intend to live, but I won't be too far away, so I'm sure I can get you drinking warm, flat beer fairly quickly.

**Boon Mee** · 06-07-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

That's the problem going to war with the US. Some of their military norms rub off on our guys.

Now that's a scary thought ... what kinda stuff might rub off on me when I starting living among the whiny farangs in Thailland ?

A hankerin' for mushy peas & chips (freedom fries) w/vinegar douched all over 'em?

**Marmite the Dog** · 06-07-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

A hankerin' for mushy peas & chips (freedom fries) w/vinegar douched all over 'em?

Stop it you b'stard!

Mmmm...mushy peas and chips with lashings of vinegar....

**stroller** · 06-07-2006, 01:45 PM

And don't forget to pull them soggy fries out of the pan before they're done.
Frying chips crispy is one of the few sacrileges which could turn a pom into a terrorist in an instant.

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