Thread: Example of terrorist "courage" ?

Taleban use children as shields to fight British

From Tim Albone at Camp Bastion
TALEBAN fighters used women and children as human shields as they tried to escape into the mountains of Afghanistan, British troops claimed yesterday.
The tactics were revealed in the first account by those who fought in one of the main battles faced by the men of 3 Para and the Royal Gurkha Rifles in Helmand province, where 3,300 British troops are stationed.
The Taleban’s use of human shields happened during a six-hour battle that began when British troops arrived in a remote area to flush out a suspected Taleban hideout.
NI_MPU('middle');They came under attack seven times and fired 2,000 rounds as the rebels set ambushes and opened fire with rocket-propelled grenades. About 21 Taleban were killed.
“It happened twice where they pushed women and children in front of them. The first time they ran into a compound and pushed them out the front to stop the assault,” said Corporal Quintin Poll, 29, from Norfolk.
“The second time they were firing through a building with women and children inside. My guys had to go around the left and right to get them.”
Details of the battle, which happened to the west of the town of Nauzad on June 4, were given by troops at the British base of Camp Bastion.
It took place in the run-up to Operation Mountain Thrust, in which 11,000 troops from Britain, US, Canada and Afghanistan are co-operating to clear Taleban strongholds in the province.
The fighting began after British troops were sent to the area to search compounds suspected of housing Taleban militants. A 12-vehicle convoy that had snaked its way through the mountains from Camp Bastion came under attack after leaving a police compound in the town.
At the same time a Chinook helicopter bringing in reinforcements was fired upon as paratroops got out. There were about 100 militants split into cells of 7 or 8 fighters.
The fighting was so intense that rounds set fire to nearby wheat fields. At one stage Private Bash Ali, 20, from London, was hit by a bullet from a Kalashnikov assault rifle. It lodged in the spare magazine of his SA80 rifle, around his waist, setting fire to a tracer round.
“I was going around a corner hearing fire and didn’t know where it was coming from. The next thing I knew I fell to the ground. I thought I’d been hit by an RPG. I was dazed and was pulled into cover by a comrade,” he said.
Apache helicopters and A-10 tankbusters were called in to provide air support and at one stage raked a compound housing militants with their 30-millimetre canons.
“The guys were superb. I left the day with a huge amount of pride,” said Major Will Pike, 36, who has been in the Army for 14 years and said that this was the fiercest day of fighting he had ever seen. But as Operation Mountain Thrust continues to push into former Taleban strongholds, violence remains high.

I believe What I See.I didn't see Taliban doing that and to tell you the truth I dont believe those coaliation forces as well.

Wait a minute Do I believe what I see?

After 9/11 I dont believe what I see.

How come I never see anybody like CMN, MtD, Stroller, Butterfluffy, Snaffie, and so many others commenting on the despicable actions of the insurgents ? Should I take that as confirmation that you truly believe what they are doing is right ? Your silence speaks volumes in my book. And don't even think you can twist that comment into some moral higher ground.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

In a nutshell, I totally understand the actions of civillians of an invaded country in their desperation to repel an invading foreign force. It doesn't matter whether they will be better off in the future, no country likes to be invaded as it is a huge loss of face. It says to the rest of the world that they are weak and unable to run their own affairs.

What it sounds like you're saying is you believe that the minority of Iraqis who became insurgents should have a bigger say than the majority of Iraqis who aren't terrorists or insurgents ? It sounds like you're saying the majority of Iraqis didn't want the US to overthrow the Saddam Hussein government. It sounds like you're also justifying, erroneously, the actions of the terrorists who "invaded" Iraq and turned it into a battleground.

Originally Posted by Mhz

So what do you think the Iraqis should do?

That's easy. Toss the insurgents out and arrest the Iraqis who supported them... and then tell the USA, "We'll handle it from here fellas it's time for ya'll to hit the road".

you think thats easy??

SK those terrorists have got guns and bombs and very nasty things that kill.Normal Iraqi people are happy that Saddam is gone but what is the U.S giving them??Sucide bombers,road side bombs.These things were not happening when Saddam was in power.

SK, does it hurt your brain to go through so many twisted loops and justifications ? you have wrapped yourself into so much lies and deception, I am not sure answering your questions is going to make it easier on you.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

In a nutshell, I totally understand the actions of civillians of an invaded country in their desperation to repel an invading foreign force. It doesn't matter whether they will be better off in the future, no country likes to be invaded as it is a huge loss of face. It says to the rest of the world that they are weak and unable to run their own affairs.

What it sounds like you're saying is you believe that the minority of Iraqis who became insurgents should have a bigger say than the majority of Iraqis who aren't terrorists or insurgents ? It sounds like you're saying the majority of Iraqis didn't want the US to overthrow the Saddam Hussein government. It sounds like you're also justifying, erroneously, the actions of the terrorists who "invaded" Iraq and turned it into a battleground.

Actually, what I'm saying is that no country wants to lose a war to a bunch of dumb-fuck Seppos, which luckily, doesn't happen too often as the US is only just above France and Italy in the shittiest armies poll.

If you take a look at places where Britain sends troops, they are often greeted as peacemakers and not aggressors. Funny that.

Sorry, it must be that time of the month...

MtD,

I just realized your posting is only one step above stroller and butterfluffy. You're excused back to your bar stool where you belong with all the other delusional British fucktards.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

You're excused back to your bar stool where you belong with all the other superior English people.

Righty ho.

Now you know why I don't bother with these threads. There's about a dozen of them and they are all carrying on the same arguements.

What arguement ? You took me off the plot several posts ago !

boys, let me remind you this is "Issues". Thank you.

I think MtD was reasonable in his arguments, so why not be courteous and answer him accordingly or just ignore him if you can't answer.

I bet sebian civilans were grateful to have been cluster bombed by the RAF during the Kosovo conflict. Otherwise they might not have ever found the courage to protested the war and overthrow Slobo Milosevic. The population must have been more frightened of the cluster bombings then they were of Slobo. The RAF promoted peace and I'm sure the surviving serbians are grateful.

Further 'ad hominem' off-topic namecalling will be deleted, and ahem, if you're a repeat offender, a warning be issued.

Originally Posted by attaboy

I bet sebian civilans were grateful to have been cluster bombed by the RAF during the Kosovo conflict. Otherwise they might not have ever found the courage to protested the war and overthrow Slobo Milosevic. The population must have been more frightened of the cluster bombings then they were of Slobo. The RAF promoted peace and I'm sure the surviving serbians are grateful.

Actually, the British (and most Euros) dallied too long before going in and doing what they could to prevent the atrocities that were happening there. Kudos to the US for forcing the issue there. The RAF only went in there as part of NATO, not as 'British' representatives.

How you can compare the two conflicts I don't know, as there are no similarities between the two.

How are your EFL classes going, btw?

My fault for not indicating I was responding to this:

If you take a look at places where Britain sends troops, they are often greeted as peacemakers and not aggressors. Funny that.

And you're right the RAF was under NATO authority and responding to NATO decisions. Good point.

Just in case any of you need to be reminded: President Bush is not a terrorist; the American military does not wantonly kill non-combatants; America's military and intelligence forces do not torture captives; we are not fighting for oil, or Likud, or Israel, or Halliburton, or what have you; the enemy is entirely cruel and evil and must be destroyed....these are some of the basic realities of life, and anyone who says otherwise is broadcasting - knowingly or otherwise - falsehood.

There's a distinction between insurgent or freedom fighter, and the terrorist. Some want civil war (the later) by killing innocents, and the rest want what all patriots want, freedom and an end to occupation.

To put them all in the same box is stupid.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Just in case any of you need to be reminded: President Bush is not a terrorist; the American military does not wantonly kill non-combatants; America's military and intelligence forces do not torture captives; we are not fighting for oil, or Likud, or Israel, or Halliburton, or what have you; the enemy is entirely cruel and evil and must be destroyed....these are some of the basic realities of life, and anyone who says otherwise is broadcasting - knowingly or otherwise - falsehood.

Well, if you say so then it must be true. Thanks for showing me the light SK.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Well, if you say so then it must be true. Thanks for showing me the light SK.

You're very welcome butterfluffy. I'm always willing to share a little light with the befuddled.