The war in Iraq

**attaboy** · 31-05-2006, 12:37 PM

All of the hijackers were Saudi except for Mohamed Atta (Egypt). (Maybe another man was non-Saudi).

^Yeah it's no coincidence the hijackers were Saudi. Bin Laden wants us pissed at the KSA. He wants to rid Saudi Arabia of it's royal rulers and he'd like the USA to help create a change there providing him an opportunity to influence the outcome of the change.

**Butterfly** · 31-05-2006, 12:43 PM

^ exactly. Good point atta

**Mhz** · 31-05-2006, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

All of the hijackers were Saudi except for Mohamed Atta (Egypt). (Maybe another man was non-Saudi).

I read some where that some of the hi-jackers are alive???

**barbaro** · 31-05-2006, 09:54 PM

^ I have read that too, Mhz.

I'd like to check it out when I can find them time.

I'll use the web, but it has to be credible sources that have additional sources.

**machangezi** · 31-05-2006, 09:58 PM

If I'm not mistaken I read it on BBC world!!! (that was 7 or 8 months ago).

**Butterfly** · 31-05-2006, 10:05 PM

I read this 4 years ago and at the time this was regarded as a nutter conspiracy theory (like the Pentagon cam)

That said, it could be other nationals with the same name, like Mr Smith

Who knows. It could be an entire operation setup by the Mossad with mossad agents.

Remember how they found the passport of one of the hijackers, untouched by fire, next to one of the towers. Amazing, isn't it ?

**machangezi** · 31-05-2006, 10:06 PM

..... and remember the US intelligence caught some guys dancing while the WTC was in fire?

**barbaro** · 31-05-2006, 10:15 PM

In any event there will be conspiracy theories and potential conspiracy theories.

And yes, they should be checked out.

Many conspiracies don't concern whether "who did what" but about other basic things.

**Butterfly** · 31-05-2006, 10:22 PM

Those were the Mossad agents filming the events. Published everywhere and yet no official explanation from the US government.

**Begbie** · 31-05-2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by attaboy

All of the hijackers were Saudi except for Mohamed Atta (Egypt). (Maybe another man was non-Saudi).

^Yeah it's no coincidence the hijackers were Saudi. Bin Laden wants us pissed at the KSA. He wants to rid Saudi Arabia of it's royal rulers and he'd like the USA to help create a change there providing him an opportunity to influence the outcome of the change.

Saudi Arabia has its royal family as window dressing. Underneath the country is run along some rather nasty lines. The education system teaches Saudi youth that they are superior to everyone else. It does not teach them how to work. The result is a large pool of idle and bigoted people.

**Storekeeper** · 08-06-2006, 10:12 AM

Iraqi Army Takes Over In Anbar

"The desert province, a stronghold of Saddam Hussein's once-dominant Sunni minority, is the scene of frequent and deadly insurgent attacks against the US forces who invaded three years ago to overthrow the Iraqi strongman."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-1702,00.html

**Storekeeper** · 22-06-2006, 01:07 PM

Unclassified Document Reveals WMDs Found In Iraq

By Matt Margolis

A reader alerted me to a recent news conference by Sen. Rick Santorum and Rep. Peter Hoekstra over a declassified report that details the finding of over 500 munitions and WMD, particularly artillery shells filled with sarin or mustard gas.
Nothing on the wires yet...

Senator Santorum gives us a snapshot of what was found and its significance on his Senate website:

The following are the six key points contained in the unclassified overview:
• Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
• Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq’s pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.
• Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market. Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for Coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out.
• The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard-filled projectiles.
• The purity of the agent inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.
• It has been reported in open press that insurgents and Iraqi groups desire to acquire and use chemical weapons.

UPDATE: House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Document....
Also reporting on this, in the blogosphere anyways, are Ace of Spades, and Captain's Quarters... Captain Ed says the political significance "will be difficult to calculate." I have to agree. We've had enough past reports of similar WMDs found in Iraq in the past that have failed to convince the media or the American Left that going into Iraq was absolutely necessary. Ace wonders why this information was even classified at all, and why now to have unclassified. Good question. I have no answer at this time, but with many Democrats talking about cutting and running and Kerry calling his vote for the Iraq war a mistake, many on their side ought to know what their foot tastes like now.
UPDATE: CNS News reports...

UPDATE: Are we on the verge of something bigger than realize? Interesting tidbit over at The Real Ugly American,

General Tom Mcinerney is reporting on Fox Hannity and Colmes right now that that the administration has been keeping this low profile to avoid exposing 3 of the 5 members of the UN Security council; Russia, China, and France. McInerney says these weapons will be traced to these countries, and asserts it is well known that Russia helped Saddam move most of his WMD stockpiles out of Iraq before the war.

**Butterfly** · 22-06-2006, 01:22 PM

^ but I thought it was about liberating Iraqis from Saddam the killer of his own people, not WMD. Which one is it now ? back to lie #1 ?

**Storekeeper** · 22-06-2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ but I thought it was about liberating Iraqis from Saddam the killer of his own people, not WMD. Which one is it now ? back to lie #1 ?

Don't shoot the messenger mate. Both reasons piss you off so what's your point ? Oh, like always you have no point ...

**stroller** · 22-06-2006, 06:19 PM

Well, they found chemical "weapons munitions", no hardware (yet). It seems Saddam did not succeed in building the actual weapons, nor in upgrading the munition after the Gulf war.

Components and precision instuments to build a "cannon" to reach as far as Israel were supplied by British companies in the '80s, but the supply stopped when government corruption was exposed.
Sorry I can't find the article now, it was big in the British press in 1989/90 I believe.

Related reading:
"Who armed Iraq?"
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jcbw/jcbw030417_1_n.shtml
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/1-Feb-2006.html

edit: the first link doesn't work, just copy/paste it into the browser window.

**Butterfly** · 22-06-2006, 06:57 PM

yes, stroll I remember the canon story. Big scandal then.

**Storekeeper** · 23-06-2006, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

"Who armed Iraq?"

So, you're saying the USA armed Iraq with WMDs? (Chemical, Biological and Radiological weapons) ... so why didn't you just tell us where they were in the first place ?

And what kind of elaborate system do you think is needed to deliver the C & the B in the CBR ?

Iraq never had WMDs ... the US gave them WMDs ... Iraq never had WMDs ... the US gave them WMDs ... which is it sTROLLER ?

**Butterfly** · 23-06-2006, 09:54 AM

^ destroyed by the UN after the GW 1 ?

**Storekeeper** · 23-06-2006, 10:34 AM

^ Why are you asking me ? I thought you knew everything ? By the way ... I'm hearing the stuff is 18 years old munitions.

**Butterfly** · 23-06-2006, 10:45 AM

^ I think the whole debate about WMD is a farce. It was a farce before the war and it will keep being a farce until the US accepts their mistake and withdraw from Iraq. You know it, I know it, everybodys knows it.

The only reason Bush Jr went after Saddam is because:

[roll drum]
Saddam tried to kill his father !!!
[/roll drum]

Poor fucking crying baby !!!

**stroller** · 23-06-2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by stroller

"Who armed Iraq?"

So, you're saying the USA armed Iraq with WMDs? (Chemical, Biological and Radiological weapons) ... so why didn't you just tell us where they were in the first place ?

Only recommended the article, as it puts across an interesting view.
No need to go into overdrive, SK.

I find it curious, that the 2 nations keenest to invade are the ones which supplied the knowledge and goods.

**Butterfly** · 23-06-2006, 11:23 AM

^ covering their track obviously

**baldrick** · 23-06-2006, 06:40 PM

Sen Rick Santorum (R-Pa) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference yesterday to announce that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, only to have their claims flatly disavowed by the U.S. Department of Defense.
Santorum and Hoekstra were talking about the degraded and inoperable remnants of Saddam's pre-1991 chemical weapons program that are turning up at various sites around Iraq. Their allegations are based on the U.S. government's own Iraq Survey Group. The very same report convinced President Bush that Iraq did not have WMD.
The DOD flatly disavowed the Congressmen's WMD claims. ThinkProgress: "Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

"There is a story circulating that these canisters are largely empty or that the contents are no longer potent and long since expired," stated Senator Lieberman. "This is a dangerous assumption to be making. As you can see, on this particular canister, it is clearly marked that the contents will remain potent through 2008." "We have further evidence," continued Santorum," that the insurgency in Iraq has been clandestinely hording stockpiles in refrigerated devices throughout the country, perhaps waiting for the right moment to spring a lethal trap. Our independent investigators have also concluded that this particular type of mustard as it deteriorates actually produces a far more noxious compound than the original."

**barbaro** · 23-06-2006, 08:19 PM

Iraqi govt declares state of emergencyBy SINAN SALAHEDDIN
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq — The Iraqi government declared a state of emergency and imposed a curfew Friday after insurgents set up roadblocks in central Baghdad and opened fire on U.S. and Iraqi troops just north of the heavily fortified Green Zone.
U.S. and Iraqi forces also clashed with insurgents in southern Baghdad.
The prime minister ordered everyone off the streets of the capital from 2 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Saturday. The order came at around noon, when many residents were in prayer, and sent many rushing home to beat the curfew.

Entire: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/APW...D8IDSH0G0.html

Sure poster "Attaboy," this government is legitimate. It was elected after all?

I've read this report on many news outlest but decided to post an excerpt.

I am getting excited and happy.

The insurgents are not getting close to the Green Zone and firing on American and Iraqi government forces...very close to the Green Zone.

This is mostly symbolic.

But I'd love to see an assault on the Green Zone.

More good news to be posted shortly.

**raycarey** · 28-06-2006, 11:39 PM

Finally some justice in iraq....

One of the loathsome marine recuiters seen in the movie 'Fahrenheit 9/11' (the one trolling mall parking lots of economically disadvantaged neighborhoods) was killed in Iraq yesterday. Let's hope it was slow and painful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13594449/

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