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    Pakistan is ruled by the military.I love it that way cos we dont need those fockwit mullahs to rule the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhz
    Pakistan is ruled by the military.I love it that way cos we dont need those fockwit mullahs to rule the country.
    I think that is one of the reasons for previous American support of Saddam, and by the looks of your other post the Comunist paranoia of the sixties. I think the US had a pretty bad record of regimes they supported then basiclay anyone that was'nt comunist was ok.

    Anyway the point with the military dictatership was that I thought America wanted to support freedom and democrocy, Its happy with Pakistan at the moment as it supports secular law and is aiding america in "the war on Terrorism".....in 5, 10 mabye 20 years time it might all change.
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    But I can assure you that America wont attack Pakistan cos it might be the last mistake America might commit.

    What do you say??

    And for the biological and chemical weapons,here is something......

    Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of U.S. President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983. He gave him a pair of golden cowboy spurs - a present from Reagan.

    This meeting took place before one of the most shocking war crimes since the second world war - Iraq's 1988 gassing of the Kurds in Halabjah. This meeting took place at a time when Iraq was first alleged to have used chemical weapons, and it paved the way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

    In March 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war was in full swing, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with the Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th 1984, UPI reported from the United Nations that mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers.

    Furthermore, in the same year, the Reagan administration played a key role in the genocide of the Kurd's and supplied the helicopters that Iraq used to drop chemical weapons on them. In 1984, according to The LA Times, the State DepartmentÑin the name of Òincreased American penetration of the extremely competitive civilian aircraft marketÓÑpushed through the sale of 45 Bell helicopters to Iraq. The New York Times later reported that Saddam Òtransferred many, if not all [of these helicopters] to his military.Ó

    It was Rumsfeld's trip to Baghdad which opened of the floodgates during 1985-90 for lucrative US weapons exports to Iraqi dictatorship - some $1.5 billion worth - including chemical/biological and nuclear weapons equipment and technology, along with critical components for missile delivery systems.

    In 1988, When Iraq attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas from Iraqi helicopters and planes. US intelligence sources told The LA Times in 1991, they Òbelieve that the American-built helicopters were among those dropping the deadly bombs".

    In the same year, the Chicago Tribune Magazine listed among RumsfeldÕs achievements helping to Òreopen US relations with Iraq.Ó The Tribune failed to mention that this help came at a time when, according to the US State Department, Iraq was actively using chemical weapons.

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    Musharraf is playing a key role in the war on terror because he knows that the countries who dont follow U.S orders are fucked in some way,so he is just trying to save Pakistan's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhz
    But I can assure you that America wont attack Pakistan cos it might be the last mistake America might commit.
    And why would that be?

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    Haven't they become 'friends' since Pakistan got nukes?

    Anyway, this thread has gone in a different direction from what RC wanted to discuss.
    Shouldn't have mentioned "Iraq" and "war" in the title...

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    I would say I'm in agreement with Randomchances post to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhz
    But I can assure you that America wont attack Pakistan cos it might be the last mistake America might commit.
    And why would that be?
    Cos we got nukes baby.

    You think Pakistan would wait and watch???

    I know Pakistan is nothing for the American army but they say If I go down I will take you down.

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    Now can someone tell me why America is not fucking with China???

    There is no democracy there according to the U.S.

    No human rights according to the U.S.

    They have nukes and they already warned America of using them.

    can someone put light on this??

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    The issue presented by the topic opener:
    Quote Originally Posted by RandomChances
    .... Sadam by most people definition was a dangerous egotistical butcher who repressed his own people and was a danger to the region. So do you think that the "civilised" world should of done something about it? What about places like North Korea, Burma, if they controled vast oil supplies do you think the regimes would still be in power ? What about China ?. Who decides what is right or wrong and who should enforce it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhz
    Now can someone tell me why America is not fucking with China???
    In one word: Trade
    The Chinese also 'own' more of America than any other country w/exception of the UK. T-Bills etc.

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    America invades North Korea

    Foks News.

    Tonight America declared war against North Korea, on watching footage of the landing videos President Whako Bush says this war will be a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhz
    Now can someone tell me why America is not fucking with China???
    In one word: Trade
    The Chinese also 'own' more of America than any other country w/exception of the UK. T-Bills etc.
    I thought that the Saudi buggers were second to Japan when it came to investing in the USA?

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    I moved a number of posts out to make a seperate topic.

    You'll find them in "Iraq, American soldiers et al"

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    Gee stroller I just greened you for remaining cool in the fray and you delete my entire post.

    This portion meets the on topic criteria:

    As far as why we aren't involved in N.Korea and Burma, they lie in the sphere of Chinese influence. We have our Monroe Doctrine and we wish it respected so we aren't heavily involved. My guess is the USA works through the UN, World Bank, etc.. I don't know if we are still shipping tons of humanitarian aid to the people of N.Korea. We don't exert more pressure directly on China because they are making progress and they are open to progress.

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    Sorry, attaboy, I moved some posts without splitting or editing them.

    You're right in adding part of your comment here.

    Carry on...
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    It's all good.

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    Of course Iraq has won this invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Of course Iraq has won this invasion.
    I'll definately say the U.S. has lost it.

    Not a bold statement.

    But remember all of the typical American ignorance, arrogance and stupidity?

    Freedom Fries, "Shock & Awe," the Deck of Cards, "all military combat operaions are over" on the USS Abraham Lincoln with the "Mission accomplished sign?


    Many Yanks have likely forgotten about all of this stupidity.

    They have short term memories.
    ............

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    ALL Americans fit one negative stereotype or another. Ther are NO exceptions to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Of course Iraq has won this invasion.
    Hey DD how many of them died in this attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    ALL Americans fit one negative stereotype or another. Ther are NO exceptions to the rule.
    Many are ok actually, some deserve respect for their insights, for example Ralph Nader and Noam Chomsky.

    Sorry, couldn't help it...

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    I'm ashamed of the Marines who apparently murdered in cold blood women and children in Haditha. They are a disgrace to their uniform. However, I still support the majority of military men and women serving in Iraq and dedicated to the mission.

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    I went to iraq quiet often from 1996 to 2000...

    I went also to Saudi Arabia few times...

    and by my opinion, if there are oppressed

    populations governed by dangerous abusers, the second country listed

    above came first ( not talking about women freedom included )





    But as human can talk and produce different materials then weapons as well to keep people busy, there are alternatives to war !

    Just saw Bowling for columbine once more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forreachingme
    I went to iraq quiet often from 1996 to 2000...

    I went also to Saudi Arabia few times...

    and by my opinion, if there are oppressed

    populations governed by dangerous abusers, the second country listed

    above came first ( not talking about women freedom included )
    This is another issue that most Americans haven't considered, again.

    All of the hijackers were Saudi except for Mohamed Atta (Egypt). (Maybe another man was non-Saudi).

    The textbooks in Saudi schools incite hatred and contempt towards non-Muslims.

    The government is very repressive.

    Saudi and the U.S. have close ties that date back to the 1930s.

    Why?

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