Thread: The war in Iraq

Russian, more likely, which I suspect was a major consideration for the yanks to join in at the end.

Originally Posted by stroller

Russian, more likely, which I suspect was a major consideration for the yanks to join in at the end.

Nah...Stalin wasn't even a blip on the radar back then...

Originally Posted by stroller

Russian, more likely, which I suspect was a major consideration for the yanks to join in at the end.

Don't be too hard on him Stroller, this was after all the only American victory last century so of course they are proud of it.

A victory achieved in the end by committing the largest terrorist attacks in the history of the world.

Originally Posted by stroller

Russian, more likely, which I suspect was a major consideration for the yanks to join in at the end.

Northern Norway was liberated by Sovjet army in '45, and the only people speaking Russian there today are mail-order brides.......

Dean Calls Iraqi PM an 'Anti-Semite'
By BRIAN SKOLOFF
Associated Press Writer

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday called Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki an "anti-Semite" for failing to denounce Hezbollah for its attacks against Israel.
Al-Maliki has condemned Israel's offensive, prompting several Democrats to boycott his address to a joint meeting of Congress and others to criticize him. Dean's comments were the strongest to date.
"The Iraqi prime minister is an anti-Semite," the Democratic leader told a gathering of business leaders in Florida. "We don't need to spend $200 and $300 and $500 billion bringing democracy to Iraq to turn it over to people who believe that Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself and who refuse to condemn Hezbollah."

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dean in Florida. We know who lives in Florida.

Sad and funny, but very predictable. The U.S. politicians are gearing up for the elections. The Al-Maliki government is Shia. In bed with Ahmadinejad in Iran. They support Hezbollah. Of course they do. Hezbollah is Shia and financed by Al-Maliki's ally, Iran.

But the politicians have to get some brownie points for the next election by pretending to defend the Jewish voters, while pointing out the stupidity of the Bush administration in stalling a Shia government.

Remember the Jewish Lobby? ADF? Lot of money and influence.

I'm so tired of that word. It's like calling someone a racist because the person doesn't support equal rights (though the person doesn't actively work against equal rights or fails to denouce other races) or calling someone homophobic simply because the person doesn't support marriage rights for gays.

The hell with Howard Dean. I hate this black and white mentality of Americans.

That shit got to stop. Reversing responsabilities for PR purposes. Nazi techniques in a modern world.

It's called "demagogy" - amazingly effective in today's US, as can be witnessed by the unbelievable, hatefueled gibberish posted on neo-con blogsites and associated fora. It brings up most unpleasant memories for Germans and other Europeans.

For Euros, it's a past they are trying to forget and it's happening again. How long before we can pre-empt Israel and the US ? should we do it or let the bullies grow out of control like we did with Hitler ?

We shouldn't do another Chamberlain here.

Kofi has been too accomodating. The UN is a tiger without teeth. We need a united Europe in military terms and an alliance of the willing to stop this evil before it is too late.

Attack now while we got the right guy for the job sitting behind the desk.

Originally Posted by stroller

We need a united Europe in military terms and an alliance of the willing to stop this evil before it is too late.

Y'all been w/out an effective military for so long - living under the US defense umbrella it would take decades to pull off an 'alliance'!

Originally Posted by surasak

The hell with Howard Dean. I hate this black and white mentality of Americans.

Howard Dean is a liability. Letting him head the DNC is another mistake by the Dems.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by stroller

We need a united Europe in military terms and an alliance of the willing to stop this evil before it is too late.

Y'all been w/out an effective military for so long - living under the US defense umbrella it would take decades to pull off an 'alliance'!

I was joking.
The last thing we need is another aggressive military.
The concept of the UN is fine.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by surasak

The hell with Howard Dean. I hate this black and white mentality of Americans.

Howard Dean is a liability. Letting him head the DNC is another mistake by the Dems.

That's an understatement. It will take 10 years for them to recover.(if ever)

HD has virtually guaranteed another republican in the white house next time around. Al Gore isn't helping much either.

When their only viable prospect is Hillary you have to feel their desperation.

Had my first check-in during my tour here in Japn who reported from a Seabee battalion in Northern Iraq. I only mention this because he's the first Sailor I've met who has a Purple Heart from duty in Iraq.

In his opinion the situation in Iraq is not as bad as the media has portrayed it throughout the conflict. He believes most of the insurgents are not Iraqi and those Iraqis are forced to help the insurgents. He told me a story about an Iraqi officer (0-5 level) who was surrounded by the insurgents and negotiated his surrender in trade for the release of his soldiers. The insurgents agreed. In captivity they beat his feet into mush with hammers trying to get information from him. In the end they couldn't break him and shot him in the head.

I must also admit this particular Seabee believes there will be an all out civil war and that we should abandon Iraq. He thinks the place is totally corrupt and most of the people just don't give a fuck. He's claims that while all this is going on over there that the beach resorts in places like Fallujah are packed with Iraqi people who want democracy for sure but ain't gonna lift a finger to help fight for it.

The point is, you (impersonal plural) shouldn't have gone there in the first place to stick that arrogant yank nose into other countries affairs, yet again.

Now you're obliged to stay and sort the mess out.
Anyway, all this serves "the New American Century" well, you'll get your permanent military bases in Iraq.
Pity so many people have to die and suffer for it, from innocent children to naive young soldiers.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

the beach resorts in places like Fallujah are packed with Iraqi people who want democracy for sure but ain't gonna lift a finger to help fight for it.

Hmmm...will have to book that one for me & the missus.
Haven't been to a nice 'beach resort' is some time now.

Anybody who really thinks we'll end up with "permanent" bases in Iraq is messed up in the head.

Well, we're in Japan 60 years after the war, aren't we? Why?

What makes you think we're going to give up the opportunity to not have bases right in the middle of the world's largest oil reserves? Considering how much we consume and waste it would be foolish not to have a presence there militarily. Would you prefer China have bases there instead?

Originally Posted by surasak

Well, we're in Japan 60 years after the war, aren't we? Why?

We're still in Germany and Italy and Spain and England too

Apples and oranges dude. Different time and very different place. I highly doubt the Muslims are gonna sign a treaty making themselves pacifist and making the US their Robocop like the others did (ceptin' England of course). It ain't gonna happen. It's a cultural issue.

We don't need the troops based in Iraq. If they're needed again we can get them back again lickety-split ... we've had a carrier battle group over there patrolling the Persian Gulf for a couple of decades, got bases in Bahrain that's never been attacked by terrorists, been making port calls for years in Jebel Ali ... we've been transiting the Suez for years ...

We're talking about Iraq, not "Muslims", dude.
Germany and Japan were occupied countries and had to agree to the conditions posed upon them, just as Iraq now.
It's more like comparing an apple with apples.

Besides, having military bases there has been the plan all along, I haven't made this up. Do you know about the project for the New American Century?

Whatever dude ... you knew exactly what I meant to write. But either way you're still wrong. It's apples and oranges. It ain't going to happen. You're crazier than I thought if you really think "IRAQ" will allow US bases to be in Iraq in 5 years much less 50. Prove that the plan all along has been to have bases permantly in Iraq.