President Obama News Thread

[ItsRobsLife]

It seems that Obama is a "Hawk" afterall, despite his peace and understanding messages during the election campaign, in fact he is murdering/killing more enemy's in targeted assassinations than his predecessor. I wonder if we will see his supporters call for him to be charged with murder

A fair and balanced opinion...

[larvidchr]

It seems that Obama is a "Hawk" afterall, despite his peace and understanding messages during the election campaign, in fact he is murdering/killing more enemy's in targeted assassinations than his predecessor. I wonder if we will see his supporters call for him to be charged with murder

A fair and balanced opinion...

It's from the Washington Post Rob, and I don't know what political line they take normally, but chances are that they at-least got the numbers correct, but I'm not surprised that you don't like it and try to go for the messenger instead of taking issue with the contents of the piece from the WP.

Is the info from the WP correct ? and if so should all politicians committing crimes be charged and convicted ?, or is it just the ones you don't like. That is if it is a crime to take out terrorists with drones or special forces in countries you are not at war with, rather than try to arrest them and give them a trial ?

[raycarey]

It's from the Washington Post Rob,

perhaps its origin is the washington post, but you copy and pasted an article from somewhere else....no one can know where, because you didn't post a link.



maybe you should spend less time threatening to delete posts and more time following issues guidelines, eh?

[larvidchr]

It's from the Washington Post Rob,

perhaps its origin is the washington post, but you copy and pasted an article from somewhere else....no one can know where, because you didn't post a link.



maybe you should spend less time threatening to delete posts and more time following issues guidelines, eh?

This is an English Forum and as such we are strictly not allowed to post links to a foreign language Ray, according to DD that is. But I'm sure that you can dig it up from the W Post if you really want to. I did provide the info. on where it came from.

And if you can find where I repeatedly have spend a lot of time threatening to delete posts, please provide a link in a dedicated thread- MKP maybe?, and try to stick to the topic in this thread.

[robuzo]

It seems that Obama is a "Hawk" afterall, despite his peace and understanding messages during the election campaign, in fact he is murdering/killing more enemy's in targeted assassinations than his predecessor. I wonder if we will see his supporters call for him to be charged with murder

A fair and balanced opinion...

It's from the Washington Post Rob, and I don't know what political line they take normally, but chances are that they at-least got the numbers correct, but I'm not surprised that you don't like it and try to go for the messenger instead of taking issue with the contents of the piece from the WP.

Is the info from the WP correct ? and if so should all politicians committing crimes be charged and convicted ?, or is it just the ones you don't like. That is if it is a crime to take out terrorists with drones or special forces in countries you are not at war with, rather than try to arrest them and give them a trial ?

It's a pretty good example of what Obama faces from the right- damned if he does, damned if he don't. What the utterly idiotic Kit Bond (Right-winger- Mizorah) is saying is that under Obama the US military is failing by killing too many terrorists. Steve Benen addresses this matter pretty nicely today at his blog:
The Washington Monthly
KILLING OVER CAPTURING.... This week, former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen was critical of the Obama administration's counter-terrorism efforts for an unusual reason. As Thiessen sees it, President Obama is doing too much to go after terrorists, and is taking out too many bad guys before they can be captured and tortured.

Thiessen was widely mocked, here and elsewhere, for suggesting the president has been too quick to kill terrorists. But today, the Washington Post has a fairly-long front-page piece lending credence to the Thiessen thesis.
[snip]
More importantly, the piece buries the relevant details that bring the thesis into question. In the first three paragraphs, we learn that the president decided to take out an al Qaeda leader rather than try to capture him. Then, 21 paragraphs later, the piece reports that the president weighed the alternative, but given all the circumstances, made the right call.

The Somalia calculus, several officials said, included weighing the likelihood that U.S. troops on the ground for any amount of time in the militia-controlled south would be particularly vulnerable to attack. Looming large, they said, was the memory of the last time a U.S. combat helicopter was on the ground in lawless Somalia, the 1993 Black Hawk debacle that resulted in the deaths of 18 soldiers.

"There are certain upsides and certain downsides to certain paths," the administration official said. "The safety and security of U.S. military personnel is always something the president keeps at the highest level of his calculus."

In other words, for Obama, the risk to U.S. troops was too great, so he instead ordered an airstrike that killed a dangerous terrorist. This is, of course, what one would expect the president to do, and need not be the basis for an entirely new round of criticism.

Consider, for a moment, the alternative. Imagine if President Obama and his team decided that they preferred to take out fewer terrorist leaders and would instead send U.S. servicemen and women into extraordinarily dangerous situations in order to capture more bad guys.

I think any honest person knows exactly what we'd be hearing from the media and Republicans: the president is refusing to kill terrorists and he's needlessly putting the troops in harm's way.
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It's difficult to see this as anything more than the usual shameless cynical hypocrisy from Republicans such as Bond, and it shouldn't be taken seriously.

[ItsRobsLife]

It seems that Obama is a "Hawk" afterall, despite his peace and understanding messages during the election campaign, in fact he is murdering/killing more enemy's in targeted assassinations than his predecessor. I wonder if we will see his supporters call for him to be charged with murder

A fair and balanced opinion...

It's from the Washington Post Rob, and I don't know what political line they take normally, but chances are that they at-least got the numbers correct, but I'm not surprised that you don't like it and try to go for the messenger instead of taking issue with the contents of the piece from the WP.

Is the info from the WP correct ? and if so should all politicians committing crimes be charged and convicted ?, or is it just the ones you don't like. That is if it is a crime to take out terrorists with drones or special forces in countries you are not at war with, rather than try to arrest them and give them a trial ?

The above part I quoted is your opinion and the latter part which I didn't include is the WP article, or at least that's the way it looks from the post you made.
If you wish to claim impartiality in your moderation perhaps you should employ impartiality in your comments, otherwise we might be led to believe that you're not impartial at all.

Obama? Same as any other politician? Shades of grey I think, but to an extent yes.
Better than Bush? Absolutely yes black and white, no pun intended.
Do I support Obama? He's a) a politician and b) American, so no I don't.
As for your question, I believe that all those involved in the instigation of the Iraq war, rendition, torture etc should be held accountable, although of course they never wiil, and anyone that continues those policies should also be held accountable. But it won't happen will it.

[Boon Mee]

That moonbat socialist professor, Amy Bishop, who shot three of her colleagues to death (as well as her own brother) was also a big-time Obama supporter. Say no more...

[raycarey]

But I'm sure that you can dig it up from the W Post if you really want to.

errr....that's not how it works in issues.

how about spending more time learning about the rules in issues, instead of pressing buttons?

anyway, you made the post, the onus is on you to provide a link.

as an example....

i've got some information from a spanish language periodical that states obama has brokered peace between the palestinians and the israelis. the periodical i am referring to contains info from the new york times.......if you really want to, i'm sure you can dig it up from the NYT.

[larvidchr]

It seems that Obama is a "Hawk" afterall, despite his peace and understanding messages during the election campaign, in fact he is murdering/killing more enemy's in targeted assassinations than his predecessor. I wonder if we will see his supporters call for him to be charged with murder

A fair and balanced opinion...

It's from the Washington Post Rob, and I don't know what political line they take normally, but chances are that they at-least got the numbers correct, but I'm not surprised that you don't like it and try to go for the messenger instead of taking issue with the contents of the piece from the WP.

Is the info from the WP correct ? and if so should all politicians committing crimes be charged and convicted ?, or is it just the ones you don't like. That is if it is a crime to take out terrorists with drones or special forces in countries you are not at war with, rather than try to arrest them and give them a trial ?

The above part I quoted is your opinion and the latter part which I didn't include is the WP article, or at least that's the way it looks from the post you made.
If you wish to claim impartiality in your moderation perhaps you should employ impartiality in your comments, otherwise we might be led to believe that you're not impartial at all.

Obama? Same as any other politician? Shades of grey I think, but to an extent yes.
Better than Bush? Absolutely yes black and white, no pun intended.
Do I support Obama? He's a) a politician and b) American, so no I don't.
As for your question, I believe that all those involved in the instigation of the Iraq war, rendition, torture etc should be held accountable, although of course they never wiil, and anyone that continues those policies should also be held accountable. But it won't happen will it.

My comment and the piece from the WP was as posted meant to go together, it,s always a problem when things are cut out and passed along out of the entire context.

The other question you raise is best done elsewhere as it is off topic in this thread.

No it probably wont, I agree on that.

[larvidchr]

But I'm sure that you can dig it up from the W Post if you really want to.

errr....that's not how it works in issues.

how about spending more time learning about the rules in issues, instead of pressing buttons?

anyway, you made the post, the onus is on you to provide a link.

as an example....

i've got some information from a spanish language periodical that states obama has brokered peace between the palestinians and the israelis. the periodical i am referring to contains info from the new york times.......if you really want to, i'm sure you can dig it up from the NYT.

I provided you with an explanation about foreign language links, I recently had a post deleted by DD because I linked to the foreign source, now the link bit is a guideline and an etiquette that is the norm here in Issues, but exceptions can obviously be made if some interesting news are found in foreign media, the validity will then of-cause not be as watertight as a direct link to the one language you understand, and that is fair enough.

This an internet forum and if you should have posted something which is not correct Ray or misunderstood you are not going to get shot, in your case that is probably quite lucky for you. I,m still waiting for a thread with that link!! by the way.

I do understand that it eats away inside you that it is, others and me, that actually delete posts in Issues when deemed necessary, and not you, just learn to live with it Ray.
And for the second time!! if you have questions about that go elsewhere and make a thread please or PM someone, here in this thread- modding questions is Off topic.

So can we please get back to Obama news in this thread. Thank you.

[Boon Mee]

Indonesia Honors Presidents Day!

The bloom is off the rose for Hopey Change in Indonesia:

Authorities removed a statue of Barack Obama from a park in the Indonesian capital due to a public backlash and moved it Monday to a nearby elementary school that the U.S. president attended as a child.

The bronze statue, inspired by a childhood photograph of a 10-year-old Obama in shorts with a butterfly perched on an outstretched thumb, had been targeted by critics since it was erected in the Jakarta park last December.

Already even the country he grew up in has had enough. If only it were this easy to get the real one out of the White House.

[ItsRobsLife]

What's Hopey Change? Hopey is not a word as far as I know.

[sabang]

the country he grew up in

He lived in Jakarta, Indonesia between the age of six and ten.

[Jet Gorgon]

the country he grew up in

He lived in Jakarta, Indonesia between the age of six and ten.

[raycarey]

What's Hopey Change? Hopey is not a word as far as I know.

well then you're clearly a communist/marxist/socialist/fascist/terrorist.

[raycarey]

the country he grew up in

He lived in Jakarta, Indonesia between the age of six and ten.

oh god.

is jet a birther?

[AjarnJonesy]

But I'm sure that you can dig it up from the W Post if you really want to.

errr....that's not how it works in issues.

how about spending more time learning about the rules in issues, instead of pressing buttons?

anyway, you made the post, the onus is on you to provide a link.

as an example....

i've got some information from a spanish language periodical that states obama has brokered peace between the palestinians and the israelis. the periodical i am referring to contains info from the new york times.......if you really want to, i'm sure you can dig it up from the NYT.

Brokered peace.... thats the funniest damn thing I have ever heard.

[raycarey]

Brokered peace.... thats the funniest damn thing I have ever heard.

why is that the 'funniest damn thing you have ever heard'?

[slackula]

oh god. is jet a birther?

oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

[sabang]

I remember when Conservatism was not associated with stupidity. What happened?

[Muadib]

^

[dotcom]

So glad we can have a fair & frank discussion of how the rules work on here. You bitches need to get a room.

[dotcom]

I agree with Biden. Iraq will be the greatest achievement of the bum nogood nobama administration.

[raycarey]

It's from the Washington Post Rob,

perhaps its origin is the washington post, but you copy and pasted an article from somewhere else....no one can know where, because you didn't post a link.



maybe you should spend less time threatening to delete posts and more time following issues guidelines, eh?

And if you can find where I repeatedly have spend a lot of time threatening to delete posts, please provide a link in a dedicated thread- MKP maybe?, and try to stick to the topic in this thread.

OK, first of all, i'm responding to a direct request by larvidchr in the issues guidelines thread.

https://teakdoor.com/1325463-post34.html

now then...

larvid, i never posted the word 'repeatedly'.


you can look at my post on the previous page and see that the post has not been edited.

yet you claim that i lied and 'slandered' you.....when the fact of the matter is that you misread the post.

here's a bit of unsolicited advice that you would do well to take.....try to read a bit more carefully.

ok, sport?

[Muadib]

So glad we can have a fair & frank discussion of how the rules work on here. You bitches need to get a room.

It's difficult to have a 'fair & frank' discussion with a raving lunatic... Next thing you know you'll be smearing poo all over the walls and calling it art...