Why Obama will Win

**Bugs** · 23-10-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bugs

Judicial selection (McCain favors judges that have shown they fall into the judicial restraint category rather than the judicial activism category - I am a strong supporter of the balance of power and I think judicial restraint is a key to the balance

Agreed, but how is Obama in the camp of judicial activism?

I have not hear Obama talk about this subject in any detail - and that in and of itself is worring to me. Additionally IMHO it tends to be the more liberal lot of judges that go down the judicial activism route - (in recent times there are more than a few conservative leaning folks doing this as well).

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bugs

protecting my second amendment right to personally keep and bare arms

We'll disagree on that one as I find it one of the basic wrongs of US society . . . more damage than a 'right' is worth.

This is one of the few rights that can really swing things for me - as the saying goes - pry it from my cold dead hands.....

I am not saying there are no problems with guns in the US - there are. But IMO the problem is lack of enforcement of existing laws. Along those lines I would not fight stricter/stronger gun laws (depending on the law). For example I am all in favor of increased penalties for crimes committed with a gun, and I am not opposed to some forms of waiting lists, and back-ground checks. That being said I am against banning most guns - even assault rifles.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bugs

a more aggressive approach to ethical issues in politics.

Isn't this what Obama is advocating as well?

Yes, but I trust McCain more than Obama (longer history on the matter) to actually try and do something about it.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bugs

feds buy up individual mortgages

To be honest I can't really see this working. In effect the state will own private real estate, doesn't make sense.

I don't want the federal government to own the houses long-long term. But I would rather see any bail-out funds going directly to keeping people in their homes over keeping big business from loosing too much or going under. Banks and such should go under based upon what they were doing - but we won't run out of banks or people that want to get into banking. There is a real risk that people who loose their homes in this mess will never be home owners again.

I think the government should negotiate new morgage payments, with the understanding that any discount that is offered on the front end (ie droping the monthly payments) gets taken care of on the back end (ie if the home eventually is sold the government is the first one to get a cut of any increase in value - up to the original value of the mortgage). This will allow companies to get out of any/all home mortgages they are involved in (at a discount), it will allow people to keep their homes, and it should allow the government to minimize the cost by giving direct assistant to homeowners.

I would not allow folks that have investment properties to take part in this program. Only one house per person/couple and it would have to be the primary residence.

This would be similar to (but not the same as) the Home Owners' Loan Corp - started in 1933, stopped giving loans in 1935, and liquidated in '51 - and made a small profit in the process.

Originally Posted by panama hat

I also think Obama will win, but it will be one term only and then the other side will get in again . . . there is just no way that one term will suffice to make the ship sail again, the painful measures that are needed will not be taken as it is tantamount to self-destruction in a democracy.

This might be the case - but I think another factor in a possible one term for Obama is that it is likely that the blue team will also have a greater control of congress, thus there will really only be one party to accept the blame or pats on the back for what is to come - at least over the next two years, and probably four. There will be no place to hide for the inaction of government that has been a plague on the US for nearly twenty plus years.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bugs

I agree far more the McCain platform, than I do for the Obama platform.

And that answers the question. McCain was by far the best of the lot of contenders and the fears were quite real that he could gather many right-wing democrats . . . he messed it all up with Palin, however, and his ugly tactics now certainly won't endear him to the middle-of-the-road voter either.

McCain/Lieberman - that would have been a shoe-in.

I would have been much more in favor of a McCain/Lieberman ticket (over the McCain/Palin ticket), but I do think McCain was running a major risk of turning off the far right and many of them staying home on election day.

**barbaro** · 24-10-2008, 08:36 AM

Scott McClellan is voting for Obama. Many GOPers are voting for Obama. I've seen the list and it's very long. From financial folks to Goldwater's grandaughter, etc.

Momentum.

Former Bush aide voting for Obama
Posted: 08:19 PM ET

Watch McCllellan on D.L. Hughley Breaks the News.

(CNN) — Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary who sharply criticized President Bush in his memoir last spring, told CNN Thursday he's voting for Barack Obama.

Link & Entire: CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Former Bush aide voting for Obama « - Blogs from CNN.com

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-10-2008, 09:03 AM

^ Scott's a turncoat and just trying to trump himself up again. Lost all cred when he published his kiss and tell book, IMO.

**ChiangMai noon** · 24-10-2008, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Lost all cred when he published his kiss and tell book, IMO.

gained my respect.

**sabang** · 24-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Scott's a turncoat

In the same way as George Washington maybe. In the same way as General Benedict Arnold was a Patriot, presumably.

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-10-2008, 09:26 AM

^ Add Churchill in there.

However, none publicised confidential info like Scott did. Even the libbie media dumped him when the page turned quickly on his book news. Now he's making the rounds to re-energise himself with a Powellesque support button for BO.

**ChiangMai noon** · 24-10-2008, 09:31 AM

I don't look forward to George Bush and Dick Cheney endorsing Obama.

might be Mcain's only hope.

**attaboy** · 24-10-2008, 09:38 AM

He's trying to pump up sales of his book. His publisher or agent probably came up with the idea. He needs to make money. No Republican active in politics would give him a job. He must now rely on the kindness of strangers.

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-10-2008, 09:42 AM

^ Won't be any kind strangers if BO gets in.

**Bugs** · 24-10-2008, 10:15 AM

Here are some well informed Obama supporters:
Breitbart.tv » ‘Howard Stern Show’ Quizzes Obama Supporters in Harlem on Candidate Policies

Synapses of the vid for those will slow connections:

Stern: What don’t you like about McCain?
Obama supporter #1: McCain seems to not really know what he is doing right now?
Stern: Are you more for Obama’s policy because he’s pro-life? Or because he thinks our troops should stay in Iraq and finish this war?
OS #1: I think because our troop should stay in Iraq and finish this war. I’m really for him with that, defiantly.
Stern: Now how about as far as him being pro-life, do you support Obama in that case?
OS#1: Yea, I do. I support him in that case.
Sterm: And if he (Obama) wins, would you have any problem with Sarah Palin being vice-president?
OS#1: No, I wouldn’t, not at all.
Stern: You think he made the right choice in that?
OS#1: I defiantly do.

Stern: And why not McCain?
Obama supporter #2: Well I just don’t agree with some of his, you know, policies.
Stern: Now Obama says he is anti-stem-cell research. How do you feel about that?
OS #2: I, I, I believe that, I won’t do that either. I’m anti-stem cell, yea, yea.
Stern: Now, if Obama wins do you mind Sarah Palin being vice president?
OS #2: No, no I don’t.

Stern: Now, why not McCain? What don’t you like about him?
Obama supporter #3: Umm, he sorta doesn’t sound like he has enough, like he doesn’t, he’s not, he’s uneducated. Because when he had the uhmm, they had both the presidents speaking. Uhmm, he didn’t sound like he knew what he was talking about to much. Whereas, Obama had facts and information when he was speaking.
Stern: Do you support Obama more because he is pro-life, or because he says our troops should stay in Iraq and finish the war?
OS #3: Uhmm, I guess both.
Stern: Now if Obama wins do you have any problems with Sarah Palin being his vice president?
OB #3: Uhmm, nope. Not at all.
Stern: Do you think she’ll do a good job?
OB #3: I think she’ll do a good job.
Stern: Are you glad he elected her to be the VP if he wins?
OB#3: Yup.

In every likelihood there are errors in my transcript above as compared to the vid - but I did not bother taking too much time to make the transcript so tough.

(I am sure there are some McCain supporters that are equally well informed out there).

**ChiangMai noon** · 24-10-2008, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Bugs

(I am sure there are some McCain supporters that are equally well informed out there).

you think so??

**barbaro** · 25-10-2008, 06:01 PM

This could go in the "Sarah Palin" thread. This thread, and her thread, are very closely related.

How do you like these apples?

Daily Tracking Poll: Disfavor With Palin Grows; Economy Keeps Boosting Obama

Obama Leads McCain 53 to 44 in Latest ABC News/Washington Post Poll

ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
Oct. 23, 2008

Beleaguered by Saksgate as well as broad doubts about her qualifications, Sarah Palin is now rated unfavorably by just more than half of likely voters, capping her dramatic rise in unpopularity as the presidential campaign has progressed.

Measures continue to help the Democrats as well: As the economic crisis has deepened, Barack Obama has maintained his lead in trust to handle the economy, now 17 points, as well as an 18-point advantage in better understanding voters' problems.

Link & Entire: ABC News: Daily Tracking Poll: Disfavor With Palin Grows; Economy Keeps Boosting Obama

**Boon Mee** · 25-10-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

you think so??

Got yerself one a these yet, Taff?

**Jet Gorgon** · 26-10-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

This could go in the "Sarah Palin" thread. This thread, and her thread, are very closely related.

How do you like these apples?

Daily Tracking Poll: Disfavor With Palin Grows; Economy Keeps Boosting Obama

The economy? Hmm. Well the market sure ain't on that band wagon. The higher BO's leads, the more the stock market drops. Not only the rich guys are going down. "Gee, honey, our 401ks are feked!" *sob*

**keda** · 26-10-2008, 01:39 AM

He's in a no-lose situation if he slithers in...economy improves, as is likely, and he gets the credit; if it doesn't, blame Bush. Same with a hasty retreat from Iraq, anything positive he takes a bow, and the rest can be shrugged off to the previous admin.

**Jet Gorgon** · 26-10-2008, 02:02 AM

^ Yep.
I have also been watching Gov Corzine (D-NJ) smurfing his pro Obama crap on Meet the Press, etc. I always knew his name from Goldman, but knew there was something fishy about him. Yep. He was the co-CEO at GS and Hank Paulson was the other co-CEO. Corzine fekked up on a risky deal with LT Cap Mgmt. When he was skiing on Xmas break with his family, Paulson and other execs got him ousted. But, the jilted and embarrassed Corzine made $400 mil when GS went public. Love those Democratic ways! Corzine has also been implicated for giving a half a mil loan to his lover (before his divorce) who was the head of a union (bribe money for his campaign) and has also been in trouble for allowing his motorcades to far exceed speed limits. He also refuses to put his assets in a blind trust.
Hey, if the libbies want to deface Palin, let's show the real goods on BO's folks.

**barbaro** · 26-10-2008, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by Milkman

This could go in the "Sarah Palin" thread. This thread, and her thread, are very closely related.

How do you like these apples?

Daily Tracking Poll: Disfavor With Palin Grows; Economy Keeps Boosting Obama

The economy? Hmm. Well the market sure ain't on that band wagon. The higher BO's leads, the more the stock market drops. Not only the rich guys are going down. "Gee, honey, our 401ks are feked!" *sob*

The falling US financial markets have nothing to do with McCain or Obama.

**barbaro** · 26-10-2008, 02:48 PM

If the polling is accurate, the momentum is still with Obama.

White Support For Obama At Historic Level

Politico: Polls Suggest Democratic Nominee Poised To Win Larger Share Of White Vote Than any Democrat since 1976.

Obama Back On Campaign Trail

(The Politico) This story was written by David Paul Kuhn.Barack Obama, the first black major party nominee, is positioned to win the largest share of white voters of any Democrat in more than three decades, according to an exclusive Politico analysis of recent Gallup and Pew Research Center polling.

The most recent two weeks of Gallup polling, which includes roughly 13,000 interviews, show 44 percent of non-Hispanic white voters presently support Obama - the highest number for a Democrat since 47 percent of whites backed Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Until the stock market swoon in mid-September, Obama had never reached 40 percent among white voters.

No Democrat has won a majority of white voters since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. John McCain has shuffled between 48 percent and 50 percent support in recent weeks - which would be the lowest share for a Republican candidate in a two-man race since Barry Goldwater's run.

If Obama's share holds, it would top the 43 percent of white voters who backed Bill Clinton in 1996, when the Democrat won a plurality among white females and 38 percent of white men, the best performance by a Democrat in all those categories since 1976.

Link & Entire: White Support For Obama At Historic Level, Politico: Polls Suggest Democratic Nominee Poised To Win Larger Share Of White Vote Than Any Democrat Since 1976 - CBS News

**Boon Mee** · 26-10-2008, 10:12 PM

Q. Why won't Obama Messiah release his real birth certificate?

A. It got mixed in with his Rezko mortgage records and shredded.

**ChiangMai noon** · 26-10-2008, 10:19 PM

yet another conservative endorses Obama...

Dispatches from the Culture Wars: Another Conservative Endorses Obama

Why so, since my views align a lot more with McCain's than with Obama's? And since I truly dread the notion of a Democratic president, Democratic House, and hugely Democratic Senate?

Primarily for two reasons, those of temperament and of judgment.

When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I've concluded that that's no way a president can act under pressure.

Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate.

That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office--I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. But that selection contradicted McCain's main two, and best two, themes for his campaign--Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick.

I sure hope Obama is more open, centrist, sensible--dare I say, Clintonesque--than his liberal record indicates, than his cooperation with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid portends. If not, I will be even more startled by my vote than I am now.

**Boon Mee** · 26-10-2008, 10:29 PM

BO is simply a charismatic demagogue - and an empty-suited one at that...

**Norton** · 26-10-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office--I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. But that selection contradicted McCain's main two, and best two, themes for his campaign--Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick.

Seems a predictable outcome.

I posted this in the "Why will Obama win" right after he choose Palin as his running mate.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by sabang Why Obama will Win

Sarah Palin!

**ChiangMai noon** · 26-10-2008, 10:43 PM

I think a lot has been made of the Mcain duff ups but Obama should be given an enormous amount of credit for the way he has conducted himself throughout this campaign. A true gentleman and one that America should feel proud to have elected president.

Here's to 8 years of something entirely different and a whole lot better than booner and his fellow redneck loons deserve.

**Boon Mee** · 26-10-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

I think a lot has been made of the Mcain duff ups but Obama should be given an enormous amount of credit for the way he has conducted himself throughout this campaign. A true gentleman and one that America should feel proud to have elected president.

Here's to 8 years of something entirely different and a whole lot better than booner and his fellow redneck loons deserve.

**ChiangMai noon** · 26-10-2008, 10:51 PM

^
I'm a tool in the majority by the looks of things.

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