Why Obama will Win

**Norton** · 26-08-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Bugs

IMHO they need to hammer Bush, Bush, Bush and tie McCain to Bush as much as possible.

James Carville and David Gergen share your assessment. I too think the Dems should have at least started the attack. Because there is concern voters feel they don't know enough about Obama they needed to focus some effort on "defining" Obama and his values and playing to the common man but spending the entire first day session to do so was a tactical mistake.

The Dems need a compelling message that show a vote for McCain is a vote for continueing GWB policies which by any measure show one of the worst "satisfaction" levels ever for a US President.

**Norton** · 26-08-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

He knows how things work. And also important, is that he is....and older generation, white haired, white guy.

He also brings other things. He was raised in a white middle class family. This may swing some of the votes Obama will need from the same group. He is a skilled debater who uses down to earth language the average Joe can relate with. He is clearly not shy when going on the attack or debunking nonsensical negative attacks. All of these attributes are what the campaign must have to win.

To what degree Obama will be successful in bringing "change" remains to be seen but given his success so far he is quite capable of doing so.

**raycarey** · 26-08-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

I too think the Dems should have at least started the attack.

IMO, the first night of the convention is too early.... the well deserved attacks against republican arrogance and incompetence are coming.

Originally Posted by Norton

He also brings other things. He was raised in a white middle class family. This may swing some of the votes Obama will need from the same group. He is a skilled debater who uses down to earth language the average Joe can relate with. He is clearly not shy when going on the attack or debunking nonsensical negative attacks. All of these attributes are what the campaign must have to win.

i don't know if it's been brought up here already, but something else that he is, is catholic. and before he was picked, mccain was markedly ahead in the poll gauging this important demographic.

**Bugs** · 27-08-2008, 01:01 PM

Clinton gave a decent speech, and all in all I think the blue team had a pretty good night, much better than first night. It will be interesting to see if the Clinton speech will have any real impact on getting most of her supports on board with Obama? Obama will get the true blue out of her supporters no matter what (worst case some of them will simply stay home on election day). But the rest of the lot are not a shoe in to vote for Obama, or even to bother voting.

Like I said the Clinton speech was good, but all the nice talk only goes so far, and so far it has been pretty clear there is still bad blood between the Clinton’s and the Obama’s. Clinton will have to continue to not only talk the talk, but to walk the walk as well. IMHO some of the Clinton supporter are taking their lead from Billy-bob and not Hillary. They view Billy-boy as showing the true feelings the Clintons have for Obama, and if he is not present for the Obama acceptance speech there will be lingering doubts about both Clintons support for da’ man.
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Source: Bill Clinton will not attend Obama’s Invesco speech « - Blogs from CNN.com

Hillary Clinton will be on hand for Barack Obama's acceptance speech, but according to a source close to former President Bill Clinton, he will not: the source tells CNN that Clinton will not join his wife at Invesco Field Thursday night.

Not only is Billy-bob not hanging around it appears that many Clintonite’s ain’t going to either.

Clinton Advisers Skipping Obama Speech | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

A number of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top advisers will not be staying in Denver long enough to hear Barack Obama accept the nomination for president, according to sources familiar with their schedules.

Clinton will deliver her speech Tuesday night. She will hold a private meeting with her top financial supporters Wednesday at noon, and will thank her delegates at an event that afternoon. Former president Bill Clinton will speak that night. Several of Hillary Clinton's supporters are then planning to leave town -- among them, Terry McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign chairman. Another of Clinton's top New York fundraisers, Alan Patricof, did not make the trip to Denver.

A bit on the continuing decent in the blue team:

Clinton fans deaf to words of healing | The Australian

Polls show that a significant -- and increasing -- proportion of Senator Clinton's supporters are refusing to back Senator Obama, who, they feel, has shown little respect to either her or those who supported her in the Democratic primaries. By some counts she received 18 million votes in a result that was a virtual tie.

The message has not got through to many Clinton delegates. In a city hotel suite, behind a door with two "Hillary for President" banners, a collection of campaign groups is carrying on the battle for the former first lady.

None of these supporters will vote for Senator Obama in November. Seething at what they regard as a stolen primary election and contemptuous of Senator Obama's presidential credentials, their mood has hardened amid reports that he did not consider Senator Clinton as a running mate or even consult her on his choice.

"There's tonnes of people here who are going to vote for John McCain," said Michelle Thomas, a lifelong Democrat and Clinton volunteer. "Some believe the only way to correct the (primary) system is to have Obama lose.

Seems they have some not so nice views of Obama:

"Lots think he's simply not qualified."

"I think he played the race card during the primaries. It was a sexist campaign."

One more linky on the stinky inside the blue teams ranks:
Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama - CNN.com

The event, sponsored by the Republican National Committee and approved by the McCain campaign, was a chance for McCain and Clinton supporters to come together for one cause: their opposition to Barack Obama's candidacy.

"I'm a registered Republican...for the first time in my voting life," Archuleta said. "No Obama for me. I'm voting for John McCain."

"He Reminds me of what the Jimmy Carter era was like. ... If they think Jimmy Cater had it bad, just wait if Obama gets into the White House. That will be bad news in so many ways," she added.

Obama's relative lack of experience in national politics -- long seen as his Achilles heel -- was something that Clinton supporters, Republicans and independents attending the happy hour rallied behind.

"His lack of experience has been demonstrated so painfull every time he opens his mouth just about. ... You cannot have good judgement without experience; that's how you get it," said 58-year-old Marnie Delano of New York.

But there is some bad news for Obama. The poll showed that 66 percent of Clinton supporters -- registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee -- are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

Seems all is not quite on the leftist front?

**Bugs** · 27-08-2008, 01:09 PM

And as if the Clintonites were not causing enough of a stink all by themselves, an Obamamaniac had to open their mouth:

The Associated Press: Clinton supporter says she was called 'Uncle Tom'

A black delegate for Hillary Rodham Clinton says she was called an "Uncle Tom" by Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, one of Barack Obama's political mentors.
Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb says Jones made the remarks Saturday night while discussing her support for Clinton. She called the remark "fighting words" and unacceptable.

cbs2chicago.com - Jones Said To Apologize After 'Uncle Tom' Comment

These racial slur disputes can either fade fast, or keep on going. One bad sign for Sen. Jones, and therefore for his friend, Obama, too, is that this one's rocketed right past the "he said, she said" phase straight to the angry "demand for resignation" phase.

**AntRobertson** · 27-08-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

I know it's a move to fill his experience gap, but wouldn't a woman or a latino or a sock puppet be better than an old frumpy white career senator?

Obama's going to have enough trouble selling himself let alone another minority or a woman. It would be the end of his campaign.

**Bugs** · 27-08-2008, 01:21 PM

Both teams are pretty good at using half-truths to cloud the picture; here are some from the convention in regard to McCain:

The Associated Press: FactCheck: Claims omit details on McCain record

**chinthee** · 27-08-2008, 08:32 PM

Obama should have picked Clinton for VP. I fear he will lose now to McCain. He could have locked her and Bill in a rubber room somewhere in the White House, but surely, she would have been the best bet to help him win.

Ego.

**raycarey** · 27-08-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by chinthee

Obama should have picked Clinton for VP.

huh?

that's funny (not really), you also posted this....

Originally Posted by chinthee

Well, she and Billy boy must have a grand plan to sew up the VP slot through all this. That would be a terribly disappointing sell-out by Obama and may cause me to switch my support to McCain if he sells out like that. That would be effectively a totally emasculated campaign by Obama caving into the Clintons. He would then live with the monkey on his back (Hilary), and the fox in the henhouse (Bill), in the White House for the next 4 years. Emasculated and unable to effect leadership.

and this...

Originally Posted by chinthee

What a destructive, opportunistic bitch. How can anybody support such a venomous person, even if she's the last candidate for the party? Anybody on this forum support her if she eventually wins over Obama? Anybody? Otherwise, we all have to vote and support McCain.

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post630068

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post617239

you flip-flop more than john mccain.

**chinthee** · 27-08-2008, 09:59 PM

^Don't be silly little boy. It's not my preference that he pick Clinton, but I'm saying that would have been the best strategy to get elected.

Dick.

**Texpat** · 27-08-2008, 10:57 PM

I was thinking the same thing today, Chinthee.
Maybe an Obama / Clinton ticket is the only way OB would have won.
Every democrat everywhere would be lining up to vote.

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-08-2008, 11:06 PM

Yoo hoo! Here's Jettie! I think I said the same thing about Clinty last week. ray will surely look it up for us.
I enjoyed watching Billy bob laughing at some points of Hillde's speech. He really hates BO, IMO. I wonder if he will vote McC?

**chinthee** · 27-08-2008, 11:09 PM

Just you watch. Jetty will be the true clairvoyant on this forum and Barak and his "planet of the apes" wife will disappear into nothingness. Whoo, did I just call his wife a monkey girl????

**Texpat** · 27-08-2008, 11:14 PM

He said yesterday on CNN TV -- Would you rather have as president a guy who you agree with on almost everything-- who you have no confidence in getting anything done

or a guy you agree with on half the issues who will get things accomplished?

Kinda says it all for me on where William Jefferson comes down on this election ... I still think he was a good prez.

**chinthee** · 27-08-2008, 11:16 PM

Jefferson is the penultimate standard upon all other should be based.

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-08-2008, 11:18 PM

^ Why, Tex, why? Bill did what except teach kids the meaning of impeachment?

Originally Posted by chinthee

Just you watch. Jetty will be the true clairvoyant on this forum and Barak and his "planet of the apes" wife will disappear into nothingness. Whoo, did I just call his wife a monkey girl????

You gonna be in doo-doo again, CT.

**Texpat** · 27-08-2008, 11:26 PM

almost tripled my portfolio value during his term ...
sent me a personal thank-you after I spent months working on the G-8 in Okinawa...
made blow-job a dinner-table term

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-08-2008, 11:37 PM

^ Photocopy and paste that note, Boy.

**chinthee** · 27-08-2008, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You gonna be in doo-doo again, CT.

I'm most happy that way...doncha know?

**Bugs** · 29-08-2008, 10:52 AM

I’ll give the blue team some credit for the convention, each day they got better, and better. I did not see all of the Obama speech, but what I saw was pretty good. Not as good as what many of the pundits seem to think but that’s no surprise.

It sure seemed to go over well with those that already support Obama, the key of course is how well it went over those that are still undecided - Time will tell.

Not sure how those inside the red team think it went. They pushed back the McCain VP announcment. They could have done it because they think Obama did so good that the VP announcment would be lost in the Obama hype. Or they could think that Obama did not do very good, and thus there was no need to try and steal thrunder that is not there.

**britmaveric** · 29-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Didnt really say much - no substance and I definitely think his BS is wearing thin.

**Texpat** · 29-08-2008, 11:50 AM

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

**AntRobertson** · 29-08-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

It's supposed to be representative of the White House.

**Bugs** · 29-08-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Texpat

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

It's supposed to be representative of the White House.

Actually most seem to think they are representative of the Lincoln Memorial - where Mr. King gave his famous speech 45 years ago:

8 is enough, Obama tells U.S.

Obama spoke on a stage straddling the stadium's 50-yard line and in front a row of faux-Roman columns that have drawn comparisons to the Lincoln Memorial, where King delivered his 1963 appeal for racial equality.

Obama makes history on King anniversary, promises to restore American dream, purpose - Salt Lake Tribune

He (Obama) emerged from beneath Greek columns, resembling the Lincoln Memorial on the steps of which King gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, to thousands of camera flashes and an ovation that lasted nearly three minutes.

**Texpat** · 29-08-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bugs

a row of faux-Roman columns

emerged from beneath Greek columns

OK, now I'm confused.

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