Thread: Safe Injection Sites

Cocaine and heroin are illegal and using/dealing/posessing them are criminal activities.

What message does this send to children? Fill your trash bin too high and get fined. Drive drunk and go to jail. Become a heroin addict and get government assistance.

It's civilization in reverse.

Ignore it and it will go away hey Tex?
Or maybe put snipers on the roof and pick them off as they go in?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Cocaine and heroin are illegal and using/dealing/posessing them are criminal activities.

What message does this send to children? Fill your trash bin too high and get fined. Drive drunk and go to jail. Become a heroin addict and get government assistance.

It's civilization in reverse.

So, you'd rather take the moral stand than the practical stand?

Course, you don't mind paying the extra taxes and having dirty needles lying around in playgrounds.

What's next?

Giving guns and providing target practice to burglars? Teaching carjackers how to hot-wire stolen wheels so nobody gets hurt?

Define bad. Make laws. Enforce them as best you can.

Rather than make an effort to improve your society, you appear willing to roll over and give up. I'm awfully glad I wasn't brought up in that environment. It's called selling out.

Shit mate, haven't you guys already armed all the criminals in your country to the teeth?

Whats the way to go now? More jails, more cops, harsher sentencing for drug addicts? Who's going to pay for all this get tough on drug addicts proposal? Not you of course.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Course, you don't mind paying the extra taxes and having dirty needles lying around in playgrounds.

They would be keeping them and using them again and spreading the killer AIDS if you guys were not suppling them with needles so they could throw away the used ones.

Originally Posted by Panda

Shit mate, haven't you guys already armed all the criminals in your country to the teeth?

No body GAVE the criminals the guns, they either stole them themselves or bought them from some junkie that stole them to sell.

Oh! I see. Cant trust those bloody criminals. Buggers just keep stealing guns from honest people. They should be all locked up! That will fix the problem.

.....and don't forget, all these addicts are sombodies son, daughter, brother, or, sister.
Wonder if Tex and BG would change their attitude if this issue was a bit closer to home?

Tried to green you NR, but, out of ammo.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Wonder if Tex and BG would change their attitude if this issue was a bit closer to home?

Don't know about that Burr, my oldest son died with the needle still in his arm and his brother died 3 years later from AIDS from shared needles.

Is that close enough for you??

They were good men until they got strung out and not worth a fuck after that. Kinda like Ray Baby

you're one hell of a father.

good thing you're now too old to breed.

Why is that Ray, is your wife Horny??

took me off 'ignore' for just this one time right?

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

So, if these clinics had been around at the time, your oldest son would still be alive and so would his brother.
Yet, you are still against them? You are seriously fucked up!

father of the year!

Originally Posted by November Rain

addicts will inject drugs intravenously. That will not stop. By providing safety measures against the use of dirty, possibly infected syringes & needles and against overdose, you are safeguarding against these people being taken to hospital & having costly procedures & care on your tax dollar. How can that be a problem? And, as Sir Burr and others have mentioned, it's beneficial to them.

So it's enlightened self-interest, or

Originally Posted by Texpat

What's next?

Giving guns and providing target practice to burglars? Teaching carjackers how to hot-wire stolen wheels so nobody gets hurt?

Define bad. Make laws. Enforce them as best you can.

They're not handing out drugs or giving instructions so the "giving guns" and "teaching" analogies don't work, imho.

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Cops continue to make busts, none of that has changed.

Um, parking violations? Jaywalking? The cop knows crackheads are cookin' smack in the protected confines of this little taxpayer-sancioned love nest. Why isn't he making busts there? You're quickly slipping into gibberish.

I assume you think the "war on drugs" started by Reagan is a success? Because it's been repeatedly assessed as a failure.

Nobody's claimed that. And you've freely admitted to using drugs on this forum. Can you admit you're a criminal? Are you a felon? Just asking. Are you a teacher? I think you've mentioned you're a teacher. And a drug user. Is that OK where you're from?

Id just like to clarify a few points Tex and Co are making, just so as I know where theyre comeing from if thats ok.

So what your saying is.

1. No free clean needles and disposal sites for said needles.

2. Let them run the risk of getting AIDS/Hep by sharing/using dirty needles.

3. Dont allow them access to meds and healthcare for such diseases.

4. Lock em up for breaking the law

5. Dont waste money on rehab centres.

Not having a dig, just trying to find out your definitive stance thats all.

Got it, mostly (what I'm saying anyway, won't speak for others)
1. You wanna give the smackheads a clean conscious, put a needle box out. Think they'll us it? doubt it.

2. It's a high risk hobby. Why should taxpayers reduce the risk and make it more appealing? It's like legislating open sex by providing free abortions. Bad science, bad law, bad example, bad ethics.

3. Give them the same access as every other citizen who actively contributes to society. Make health insurance available, but not free. Get and keep a solid job -- become a productive member of society and you're covered. Remain a drug-addled crack addict with no aspirations or intnet to contribute to society and -- good luck. It's called positive operant reinforcement. Worked for Pavlov and might even work on Europeans.

4. Fuck yeah. Are you too cheap to protect your kids from these scum?

5. Rehab? What's wrong with doing rehab in a controlled environment where the smackhead might not whack your granny or look under your kid's skirt? (see Brit complaint about EN catching a whiff.)

In principal it all sounds great, but life aint like that is it, so what you gonna do? let them carry on the way it is, or try and be pro active and do something about it.

At least some people are trying to ease the burden on society by providing this service. As has already been pointed out, the cost of meds for the associated diseases far outways the cost of needles, saving the tax payer money.
If they are locked away, chances are they will be able to score inside or go back to their old life style upon release. Another cost to the tax payer.
Ok give em rehab, but the chances of staying clean are 50/50 at best, yet another cost to the tax payer. So If we give them the clean needles and a place to dispose of them (stops little kiddies finding them lying around), hopefully they will cost the tax payer very little, and they will inject them selves into oblivion if that is their wish.

Quote Tex
look under your kid's skirt? (see Brit complaint about EN catching a whiff.)

That guy had mental problems and it was not mentioned that he was a smack/crack head

It's about cost aint it? Not what's right or wrong. Explains a bit more than your inability to curb drug use. Can you buy some balls?

Sanction hard drugs, and it's off the books. Clever. Weak and lily-livered, but clever. Unfortunately, you've got a populace that now knows hard drugs are ok and will be dealt with gently. You OK with that?

Remind me never to visit.

You know the right thing to do is to get them off the street. But you can't. Don't get me wrong -- the US can't either -- yet. But giving up is pathetic.

You're trying to sugar-coat a problem you're ill-equipped to handle and pass it off as inconsequential, morally superior. It's a very black mark on your "civilized" society. What else are you incapable of handling? A government's role is to temper society -- to regulate the laws and populace in order to reflect the wishes of the people.

If providing havens for heroine and cocaine addicts is how you wish to project your benevolence toward the population, you're a sad, sick society.