Thread: The rise of Reform.

And your view on the judgement Sympl? Not a single Mauritian born on that archipelago, its only link was the British administering the island from Mauritius. Just what facts support their claim that the ICJ relied upon.

Interested to hear your view on this.

Well, as this is the thread on Reform UK, someone should post Reform's view on the Chagos Islands deal.

They are against it.


‘We will rip up that deal’: Reform UK’s Richard Tice blasts Chagos handover as ‘worst deal in history’ and pledges to IGNORE payments


Richard Tice says his party will ignore Keir Starmer’s Chagos deal and halt payments to Mauritius should it go ahead and Reform UK form the next government.

“We’re giving away our own freehold and we’re paying Mauritius to take it. This is in breach of the 1965 agreement. What we’re, Reform, is saying is that this is the worst deal in history.

“We’re not going to accept it when we win the next general election. We will rip that deal up. We will stop the payments. We will not recognise it.

“We will make it very clear to Mauritius that this is an invalid deal and they are in breach of that 1965 agreement when the UK paid £3 million back then. That’s about £75 million in today’s money to give up any possible claims they may or may not have had in that time.

The deal includes a plan to lease back the US-UK military base on Diego Garcia at British taxpayers’ expense.


Reform UK’s Richard Tice blasts Chagos handover as ‘worst deal in history’ and pledges to IGNORE payments

Farage commits to reinstating winter fuel payment

25 May 2025

Reform UK has said it will fully reinstate winter fuel payments to pensioners and scrap the two-child benefit cap, if the party gets into government.

Reform UK said they would pay for their new policies by cutting net zero projects and scrapping hotels for asylum seekers.

Nigel Farage'''s Reform UK commits to reinstating winter fuel payment - BBC News

Gosh.

Labour has no chance in the next election now.

Not with e-gate Nige and Kemi Kazi as opponents.

Don't underestimate the Lib dems!

Trouble is peeps won't forget their u-turn on university fees.

There's only one party getting into power if a GE was called tomorrow.

Let's see how the next 3 year's pan out, that's a long time in politics.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Gosh.

Labour has no chance in the next election now.

Not with e-gate Nige and Kemi Kazi as opponents.

Pissed up again, try to get another hobby in your retirement you predictable buffoon.

Remember the days when every town had a Tory or labour club?

They are shutting down through lack of customers.

On the other hand we now have reform social clubs opening up..



Can you imagine a left wing social club opening up full of Cyrille's comparing pronouns.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

we now have reform social clubs opening up..

Let me guess...the HQ is the local 'spoons, right?

Have you taken over some of the Nazi memorabilia you were posting about previously?

Originally Posted by cyrille

Have you taken over some of the Nazi memorabilia you were posting about previously?

I've posted thousands of pics on here over the years and you choose to mention one pic from an antique store of ww2 medals because it fits your narrative.

It's easy to name your one and only pic posted on here in 20 years with no narrative.

4 upside down tomato's!

You clueless ignorant buffoon.

You posted two sideways pics just yesterday.

Thanks for the tribute with the 'clueless buffoon' thing you love so much.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Eva.

I see that today the chancellor will announce billions of £ to be spent in Britain's most deprived regions, having re-written Treasury rules.

And that Nigel Farage has announced he welcomes donations in bitcoin.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

The backdoor Boyz direct from Starmers front line...

Fook me. Boy George looks manly compared to those boy band wannabrs

Originally Posted by Joe 90

I've posted thousands of pics on here over the years and you choose to mention one pic from an antique store of ww2 medals because it fits your narrative.

It's easy to name your one and only pic posted on here in 20 years with no narrative.

4 upside down tomato's!

You clueless ignorant buffoon.

Tomatogate. Lol

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Hmmm, well, let me guess.

* China maybe?

You know the country that has been furthering Chinese interests abroad - claiming the South China Sea up to Katy's doorstep - and would be absolutely desperate to get their hands on a strategically important military base in Diego Garcia that the US too is desperate to have access to?

Like between Africa and Asia and off the coast of the Middle East.

Just a bit important like.



Ffs, Chits. At least pretend to have a clue.



* But absolutely anyone really given its location.

Pretty sure they already have a base on Diego Garcia hal.
Though Mauritius holds the official sovereignty of the chaos Islands.the UK retains a lease on the base allowing for continued US and British military use. Thus ensuring the strategic importance Diego Garcia . Fun fact

Originally Posted by cyrille

see that today the chancellor will announce billions of £ to be spent in Britain's most deprived regions, having re-written Treasury rules.

No rules to be rewritten, they just wing it.

Spend! Spend! Spend!

and this article explains why reform will either be the next government, or a very powerful opposition. the country, both poor and the rich, will never vote in a hard left administration that cocksucks the unions, the benefit takers, the boat people, the petty criminals, the activists and of course the brit hating islamists. in other words, the countries parasites.





The hard-Left are back, and ready to seize power
John McDonnell is toying with the idea of a putsch – or failing that, a green, socialist, Islamist alliance

29 MAY 2025



Independent MP John McDonnell
Credit: Tejas Sandhu/SOPA Images

Politicians are adrift. They don’t know how to tell people the truth without frightening the horses – and perhaps it’s not surprising. Countries with ageing populations, low growth and high migration are unhappy ones, especially if, like Britain, they are running a trade deficit, debt at nearly 100 per cent of GDP, and a budget deficit all at once. We spend more on servicing our debt than on defence. This is unsustainable. Sooner rather than later, the bailiffs will come with the bill.

Enter Labour. Its solution to these problems, during last year’s election campaign, was a single word: change. Or, to put it another way, throw out the Conservatives. Once they’ve gone, renewal can begin. Not just because Labour values are better than Tory ones, but because Labour people are, too. Nicer, kinder, gentler, they would – by their mere presence in government – generate national recovery. The result was spectacular: Labour won 411 seats. Two hundred and thirty one of those MPs were new to Parliament – over half.

Now imagine yourself as one of them – elected, as you saw it, to distribute ever-larger subsidies to your grateful constituents (paid for by the taxes of those who don’t vote for you). First of all, you were ordered, in the wake of your triumph at the polls, to tramp through the lobbies in support of the two-child benefit cap – and told that if you didn’t, you would lose the whip. Next, only a few days later, came the news that this new Labour Government would cut the winter fuel allowance.

Finally, some six months later, it was announced that £5 billion would be saved annually from the welfare bill by measures including reassessments for incapacity benefits for those capable of work, and the focusing of some disability benefits on those with higher needs. Your response would doubtless be – as many of theirs surely was – to look hard at yourself in the mirror. Did you really come into Parliament for this? To boost child poverty, let needy pensioners freeze and take away support from disabled people?

Enter John McDonnell, once Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow chancellor. Like Corbyn, he’s a man of the hard Left. Unlike him, he won his seat in Hayes and Harlington under the Labour banner last year, only to lose the whip a few weeks later for voting against the two-child benefit cap.

Earlier this week, he surfaced to call for a change of leadership: “Unless party members, affiliated unions and MPs stand up and assert themselves to take back control of Labour … we may not only lose a government. We could also lose a party.”


McDonnell is an old stager who has been active in the Labour movement for most of his adult life, has sat in Parliament for over a quarter of a century, and is marinated in the arcana of the party’s rulebook, trade union networks and culture. He has nothing to lose and an acute sense of timing: shark-like, he can smell blood in the water. Last week, Sir Keir Starmer conceded that the winter fuel allowance cuts will be ameliorated. Don’t know where, don’t know when – but it will happen.

This looked rushed. And it was. The classic means of executing a U-turn is to reverse the original decision: humiliating, certainly; expensive, usually – but at least closing down the problem (whatever it may have been) and moving events on. Instead, speculation will now run on: how many pensioners will gain from concessions? What will they be? How many will still lose out? The same destabilising process is at work over the two-child benefit cap. Sir Keir now says that Labour will “look at all options, always, of driving down child poverty”.

He is caught in a trap of his own devising. By campaigning on the basis of change – but without a worked-through conception of what the change would be – Labour sacrificed depth for breadth. An Old Labour-type plan would have won the party fewer seats, but given it a clearer mandate. A New Labour-style plan might well have achieved the same. Instead, Sir Keir finds himself with New Labour-flavoured fiscal rules but Old Labour spending commitments. Something has to give.

As it does, Labour will move further Left – under pressure from greens, independents, Islamists and the instincts of his own MPs. No wonder Angela Rayner, burnishing her own leadership credentials, is proposing further tax rises.

And, let’s face it, McDonnell has a point: “The public got view of the distasteful sight of Labour ministers accepting gifts, tickets and donations from the rich and corporate carpetbaggers,” he wrote.

There’s the rub. Labour people are no less vain, weak and vulnerable than anyone else – a lesson for its MPs to take to heart, as public contempt threatens to overwhelm them.

probably didnt make the news in thailand, but it did here and to great effect.

the politician went to a tube station in london to confront fare dodgers, he was sworn at and threatened with a knife by one fare dodger whilst the transport police just stood by and watched, making no attempt to prevent people with no tickets walking through unmanned barriers.

channel 4 tv, the leftist channel, chose to accuse the mp for filming without a permit, rather than highlighting the criminality of the fare evaders.




The Left has fallen right into Jenrick’s trap on fare-dodging
The shadow justice secretary is exposing those who are out of touch with the public on crime

Tom Harris


30 May 2025 10:25am BST


Robert Jenrick knows how to grab headlines. More importantly, he knows exactly how to lead his critics down a blind alley from which they cannot escape. Yesterday the shadow justice secretary released a video of himself in the London Underground confronting those who had avoided paying their fare.

The political point was hardly subtle: why should the rest of us pay for those who can’t be bothered paying their way? Just as he must have hoped would happen, his vigilantism sparked a massive debate on social media, with users dividing along the traditional Right and Left lines: Jenrick was either a hero who was unafraid to tackle lawlessness on behalf of the majority, or a cynical villain who was at least in part responsible, while a government minister, for the reduction in police and Underground staff who might otherwise have been available to tackle the fare-dodgers themselves.

It all fell so neatly into place for Jenrick. The Left really cannot help itself, and he must have known this before he embarked on his publicity stunt. Channel 4 News spoke for much of progressive Britain who felt offended by his initiative: having watched the footage, they decided that the main news story was not that a worrying level of passengers were skipping ticket checks (nearly one in every 25 passengers, according to Jenrick) but that the Tory MP didn’t have Transport for London’s permission to film there at all.

Twitter users with more time on their hands than I have since pointed out that TfL rules seem only to apply to commercial filming, which obviously didn’t include Jenrick’s exercise. But his point was made: confronted with systematic and expensive fare-dodging, the Left would rather ignore the problem if it’s identified by someone whose politics they disagree with.

Let us be clear: Jenrick was offering no actual solutions to the problem. This was an exercise in populism that Nigel Farage himself might have envied, and it is straight out of the Reform playbook to provoke voters’ anger without explaining how they would fix the issue other than a few superficial slogans.

Nevertheless, it was a PR triumph for Jenrick. The tidal wave of indignation that followed the posting of his video could hardly have suited his purposes better. Here he was, standing up for hard-pressed, law-abiding Londoners while eight “officers” (it was not clear if this was a reference to British Transport Police officers or Underground staff) stood nearby.

“It’s also just annoying,” says Jenrick to the camera, “watching so many people break the law and get away with it…It’s the same with bike theft, phone theft, tool theft, shoplifting, drugs in town centres, weird Turkish barber shops. It’s all chipping away at society. The state needs to reassert itself and go after law-breakers.”

The reference to “weird Turkish barber shops” was also ingenious: most people share Jenrick’s suspicion about the motivation behind their recent proliferation in high streets across the country, but it is exactly the kind of accusation that makes the red mist descend in the eyes and brains of many on the Left who would rather not bring foreigners into it.

At root, there is a fundamental and more complex policy issue which a minute-long video on Twitter can hardly be expected to analyse – the differing approaches to crime and its causes by the Right and the Left. Judging from many of the responses to Jenrick’s original Tweet, there are very few Labour supporters who took to heart Tony Blair’s view that the party should be “tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime”, preferring to emphasise the latter and completely ignore the former.

Fare-dodging is caused, it seems, either by poverty or by the state not devoting enough resources to prevent the rest of us from behaving badly. Meanwhile, the Right, as represented by Jenrick, believes it’s all about personal responsibility and personal choices. It is not difficult to see whose side most voters will take in that debate.

Labour and the Left in general should never have fallen into Jenrick’s trap. Just as Blair and Jack Straw caused outrage for a few on the Left in the 1990s by criticising “aggressive” beggars and squeegee merchants, yet won the support of a majority of voters who were fed up with the practice and who felt, until then, unable to complain about it, so Jenrick is empowering others to object to a pretty straightforward injustice that is pushing up prices for the law-abiding majority.

Cynical? Undoubtedly.

Opportunistic? Without question.

Effective? Certainly.

I think that the real question here should be: who will be hurt worse by the "Trump Effect", Reform or the Tories?

Tories are dead in the water.

Reform will get found out.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Tories are dead in the water.

Reform will get found out.

but will UK have to endure a Reform government to find out is the rub.

Rather like Trump Farage is a cult and mould breaker.

Sadly the electorate isn't that well informed so big inteference from big money may sway the outcome. The next election is not near but I agree Badenoch is toast. However the Tories may find a more attractive leader, it is hard to imagine whom , Jimmy Dimly not have a go Robert ""wannabe tranpsort cop Jenrick seem unlikely to inspire, Laura Trott has that Thatcher steely outlook but can bide her time. The daily arrivals of thousands via small boats can only boost Reform.

Starmer by-election loss in Hamilton could set dominoes falling



Nigel Farage and Reform’s slow creep into Scotland unnoticed by many in Westminster



It was a by-election in Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, where the SNP made its breakthrough onto the national political stage in 1967.
The party had only held one parliamentary seat before – and only for three months in the 1940s – but a 38 per cent swing away from Labour propelled Winnie Ewing to the House of Commons and gave the SNP a UK-wide platform.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/31/starmer-loss-hamilton-by-election-dominoes-falling/

I see Kia are going to manufacture a new car for the UK market. Apparently it will do U-turns unaided. The new car, the Kia Starmer, will be available from October.