Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

Originally Posted by Looper

I will happily admit that Trump is riddled with faults and problems in his personal style and many of his policy strategies

If you’re able to “happily admit” he is “riddled with faults” in policy strategies, why don’t you list them for us?

I’ll get you started..

1. Filling his cabinet with completely unqualified fucking imbeciles.
2. Rolling back healthcare regulations.
3. Rolling back EPA regulations.
4. Cutting clean energy programs.
5. Putting the country on the verge of economic collapse, with ridiculous tariffs.
6. Alienating our allies, and strengthening our adversaries.

Your turn. Or are you just a “blinkered partisan”?

1. Filling his cabinet with completely unqualified fucking imbeciles.
I don't like Robert Kennedy, I think he was a terrible choice. Matt Gaetz was a worry but he did not get in anyway.

2. Rolling back healthcare regulations.
No opinion

3. Rolling back EPA regulations.
No opinion

4. Cutting clean energy programs.
I would prefer to see a bigger focus on nuclear than Oil and Gas. I do not rate wind, wave and solar as major strategic avenues.

5. Putting the country on the verge of economic collapse, with ridiculous tariffs.
The tariff strategies have been worrying for the markets. But Trump did respond with a rollback. Early days. I would like to see a more concerted Western economic blockade on China to force it to moderate its political system and weaken the CCP. Develop other low wage supply chains like India.

6. Alienating our allies, and strengthening our adversaries.
Some of the moves felt unnecessarily hostile to allies. Cosying up to Putin feels repugnant. But in a long term power play against China it could have some merit, unfortunately.
Forcing Europe to up its military spending again was a win in strategic terms. Pushing back against woke leftist oppression of freedom of speech in Europe and UK is more than welcome.

His narcissism and casual lying are major character faults.


Do you see any merit in any of these?

1. Securing the US southern border
2. Deporting the most dangerous illegal migrants
3. Pushing back on the badly thought out DEI policies of recent years
4. Pulling the rug from under the Trans nonsense
5. Focusing on a process to improve government efficiency
6. Dismantling some of the more farcical US AID programs

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Originally Posted by Looper

Do you see any merit in any of these?

1. Securing the US southern border
2. Deporting the most dangerous illegal migrants
3. Pushing back on the badly thought out DEI policies of recent years
4. Pulling the rug from under the Trans nonsense
5. Focusing on a process to improve government efficiency
6. Dismantling some of the more farcical US AID programs

to piggyback up what Harry said..

1. No one is arguing against secure borders, but his immigration policy goes a hell of a lot further than that. He wants to deport all undocumented immigrants, (Roughly 18,000,000 people) which is asinine, on so many levels. Immigrants pay in roughly $100 billion in taxes each year, and deporting them would cripple the economy.
2. “deporting dangerous, illegal immigrants” Another thing no one is arguing about, unfortunately no one knows how many of the people he’s deported, are “dangerous criminals“, because none of them were afforded due process. we are just supposed to take Trump’s word for it.
3. “the badly thought out DEI policies”? Specifics, please. Or are you OK with that blanketed statement?
4. “the trans nonsense” ? Another idiotic blanketed statement. Trans athletes? MAGA would have you believe it is a major problem. Over 500,000 athletes compete at the college level. Less than 10 identify as transgender.
5. “improve government efficiency” Again, on the surface, no one has a problem with cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. But at what cost? Those programs I mentioned, the ones you conveniently didn’t have an opinion about, like EPA/healthcare regulations, are part of the “waste fraud and abuse “
if the government is finding so much fraud, wouldn’t you think there would be some indictments, and arrests?
6. “some” of the USAID programs? He dismantled the entire program, which amounted to a whopping 0.7 % of the federal budget.

Originally Posted by beachbound

to piggyback up what Harry said..

Sure, but, I have conceded that Trump does in fact have many shortcomings and there are many worrying aspects to his presidency. i.e. I can see your point of view and I share some of your concerns.

Do you concede, on the other hand, that there is some merit to some of the policy that he has implemented?

Keeping this in mind:

Originally Posted by beachbound

Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective

Originally Posted by Looper

Do you concede, on the other hand, that there is some merit to some of the policy that he has implemented? :

This is where we part.
Anything you can point to as remotely successful , or positive, is monumentally outweighed by the damage he has caused by what he has said and done. He comes from a place of selfish greed and lust for power, period. He spent his entire life stepping on everyone in his way, just to make a buck. He is at best, a failed businessman, and at worst a racist, bigoted conman, and serial sexual predator. Now, in his twilight years, he, and his MAGA minions would have you believe he is a changed man, and loves his country. FFS, he made $2.4 billion off of the president presidency, in his first term!

No, there’s nothing I would concede.

Sometimes, The strongest thing you can do is walk away— not because you have nothing to say, but because some people aren’t ready to listen.

Originally Posted by Looper

Do you see any merit in any of these?

1. Securing the US southern border
2. Deporting the most dangerous illegal migrants
3. Pushing back on the badly thought out DEI policies of recent years
4. Pulling the rug from under the Trans nonsense
5. Focusing on a process to improve government efficiency
6. Dismantling some of the more farcical US AID programs

1. No. The southern border is not being overrun as the orange moron claims. The reality is that America is dependent on illegals to do the labor jobs that Americans simply will not due. This summer going into fall, we will see crops rotting in fields because there will be no one to harvest them.
2. Another overblown false flag. This is not some widespread problem, you get this crap off fake ass Fox News. Fearmongering that plays to the trumpanzee base.
3. More Fox News horseshit.
4. See above.
5. That is NOT what is happening. This is project 2025 in full swing, and it is an attempt to cripple the federal government. It is an act of treason as far as I am concerned.
6. That is NOT what is happening. USAID has been completely dismantled and shuttered. It is a devastating blow to US soft aid and an undoing of US policy that goes back decades. Many people around the world will die without the help that USAID provides.

Originally Posted by Looper

If not then who is the blinkered partisan?

Clearly it is you.

So in closing, you are just a clown who parrots Fox News talking points. Every one of your bullet points come straight from that propaganda horseshit.

Originally Posted by david44

Is this the real life?
or is this just TD?
Caught in a blandslide, no escape from reality
Open your eyes, look up to the skies and pee
'e's just a Katoey, who kneads some simper tea
Because yer Grindrcome, Tindr go
Little high, little blow
Any way Trump blows doesn't really matter Tooheys

Classic

Originally Posted by bsnub

So in closing, you are just a clown who parrots Fox News talking points. Every one of your bullet points come straight from that propaganda horseshit.

I'm not sure, he spouts such utter horseshit he might actually be a Newsmax or OANN window licker.

Originally Posted by beachbound

This is where we part.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Clearly it is you.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

he spouts such utter horseshit

My contention is that the partisan nature of current political discourse is unhealthy. It seems to be a result of the social media age and the online echo chambers that have resulted.

You say I am the partisan and you are balanced in your views.

Here are are 2 statements regarding Trumps presidency

1. Trump is conceited and tells casual lies and his handling of many issues is worrying.

2. There is some merit to some of the policy that Trump has implemented in his second term.

I think anybody who is moderate and not a partisan would agree with both of these statements.

I personally agree with both of these statements.

Do you three agree with both of these statements?

If you think the wording of the statements is not sufficiently balanced then please revise them as you see fit, but one statement has to be a good faith favourable view of some of Trump's second term actions. Both statements have to be moderate in their wording.

Originally Posted by Looper

I think anybody who is moderate and not a partisan would agree with both of these statements.

You really do not understand. Go research Project 2025. Democracy in America is under siege.

After reading this loopy I'm gonna take a wild guess you are an Lnp voter. And think Peter duttons the next PM of Australia
He likes Trump also.

Originally Posted by Loopey

1. Trump is conceited and tells casual lies

And Hitler was just misunderstood.

Originally Posted by Norton

Extreme partansanship existed from day one between John Adams (Federalist party) and Jefferson (Republican party)

I think we can take it as read that partisanship has always existed between leaders of political parties. That is the origin of the word partisan.

I am more meaning that the political views of the great unwashed seem to have become more polarised over the past 20 years. Which is the age in which everyone has been given a tiny megaphone in their pocket in the form of their smartphone.

Originally Posted by Norton

Not unhealthy

I am not a fan of partisanship. I think it is generally blinkered and intellectually lazy. It behooves a wise man to make efforts to try and see the world from other people's perspectives.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

You really do not understand.

Originally Posted by beachbound

And Hitler was just misunderstood.

So far I have no takers to agree with both of the following statements

1. Trump is conceited and tells casual lies and his handling of many issues is worrying.
2. There is some merit to some of the policy that Trump has implemented in his second term.

If you don't think these statements are a fair test of determining who is and who is not a partisan w.r.t. Trump then what 2 statements would you suggest?

If you cannot come up with anything then I think, if you are being honest, that you would have to admit that it is in fact you who are the partisans.

It is OK to be a partisan. Lots of people are partisans and wear their badge with pride. However, if you cannot agree with these 2 statements, and still claim that you are not a partisan, and still accuse someone who does agree with these 2 statements of being a partisan, I think you are being intellectually dishonest.

There are some words posted on this page that will come as a shock to regular TD readers: intellectualism, maturity, open-mindedness! WTF?

Have I logged into the wrong forum?

Argue, twist, deflect, dismiss your words ... that is what TD is all about, folks! Get with the programme!

Originally Posted by Neverna

There are some words posted on this page that will come as a shock to regular TD readers: intellectualism, maturity, open-mindedness! WTF?

Have I logged into the wrong forum?

Argue, twist, deflect, dismiss your words ... that is what TD is all about, folks! Get with the programme!

Wonderful insights, the hermeneutic sophistry of those who have climbed on Sophie's tree

Originally Posted by Norton

Not unhealthy, nor is it a new thing. Extreme partansanship existed from day one between John Adams (Federalist party) and Jefferson (Republican party) andhas continued through all subsquent Presidential elections. The 1860 Presidential race which led up to the Civil War would certainly qualify as extreme partainship.

Social media has nothing to do with increasing extreme partianship.

On the contrary, Twatter never existed and there weren't millions of poorly educated fucking halfwits hanging on it as if everything posted on it is true.

There may have been a two party system, but the polarisation really began with Newt Gingrich, who was the first to exploit weaknesses in the constitution for political advantage, and promoted sticking two fingers up to the opposition instead of working with them for the betterment of all.

The Democrats have continued to "go high" and have basically had the rug pulled from under them.

The most egregious example of course is the GOP making up an excuse to deny Obama a SCOTUS pick, then suddenly forgetting it when the next one came up.

The Republicans have relied on attack politics ever since, and it works, in tandem with Putin stuffing social media with the sort of bullshit Looper laps up: Caravans of illegals, trans people taking over the country, etc.

I don't see a way out of it when so many people believe the utter nonsense being pumped out by social media nowadays; proper news sources are negligible in elections now, the majority of people get their "news" from Facebook, Tiktok, Twatter, etc. and all of these are designed to eschew rational thought and critical thinking.