The View, from Russia.

**Iceman123** · 05-07-2024, 06:29 PM

OHOH is very politely showing another viewpoint. He is doing this without stooping to name calling or any bitchiness.

If you only want one side of the argument TD should just become a knitting circle.

OHOH posts links to his contributions which many posters could try rather than childishly attempting to denigrate him.

E,g.have a look at you last few posts Harry, someone is coming across as stupid and it ain’t OHOH.

**harrybarracuda** · 05-07-2024, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Iceman123

OHOH is very politely showing another viewpoint. He is doing this without stooping to name calling or any bitchiness.

If you only want one side of the argument TD should just become a knitting circle.

OHOH posts links to his contributions which many posters could try rather than childishly attempting to denigrate him.

E,g.have a look at you last few posts Harry, someone is coming across as stupid and it ain’t OHOH.

Don't be so fucking silly, he cuts and pastes propaganda and rarely bothers with an opinion of his own, because he doesn't have one.

The only reason he posts it here is that it would get deleted from news because it's shit.

As is your worthless opinion on the subject.

**HuangLao** · 05-07-2024, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Iceman123

OHOH is very politely showing another viewpoint. He is doing this without stooping to name calling or any bitchiness.

If you only want one side of the argument TD should just become a knitting circle.

OHOH posts links to his contributions which many posters could try rather than childishly attempting to denigrate him.

E,g.have a look at you last few posts Harry, someone is coming across as stupid and it ain’t OHOH.

Well said.
Quite obvious that to many are subjected to their cult indoctrinated cultural-centrism - where most everything is goodness and light.
The deep slumber is very destructive.

**harrybarracuda** · 06-07-2024, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Well said.
Quite obvious that to many are subjected to their cult indoctrinated cultural-centrism - where most everything is goodness and light.
The deep slumber is very destructive.

Go and chew some more crayons Jeff.

**kingwilly** · 06-07-2024, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't be so fucking silly, he cuts and pastes propaganda and rarely bothers with an opinion of his own, because he doesn't have one.

The only reason he posts it here is that it would get deleted from news because it's shit.

As is your worthless opinion on the subject.

True, the one time he tried to post original comment no one actually understood what he was asking because it was gibberish (something about the ‘rules’ of an international school curriculum).

**OhOh** · 06-07-2024, 11:22 AM

Thank you all for the comments, on the tread topic.

Please note the thread topic is, The View, from Russia. As such comments posted here should comments on that

Please leave your other "comments" for the appropriate treads.

5 Jul, 2024 19:44

HomeWorld News

Orban’s surprise visit to Moscow sparks fury in Brussels: Key takeaways from Hungarian PM’s ‘peace mission’

The Hungarian prime minister unexpectedly traveled to Russia, just days after he visited Ukraine in the same unannounced manner.

"Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban unexpectedly visited Russia on Friday and met with President Vladimir Putin to discuss ways to resolve the Ukraine conflict. The surprise trip caused major outrage among Orban’s fellow EU leaders, as it came only days after the Hungarian premier made a similar unannounced trip to Ukraine.

Hungary holds the rotating EU presidency for the remainder of this year. Orban, however, has claimed that he doesn’t require any sort of mandate from Brussels in order to promote peace, noting that his discussions cannot be considered official negotiations.

Peace mission

Orban said his trip had been the first step to restoring dialogue. A critic of Western military aid to Ukraine, the Hungarian premier said he recognized he had no EU mandate for the trips but that peace could not be achieved “from a comfortable armchair in Brussels.”

“We cannot sit back and wait for the war to miraculously end,” he wrote on X (formerly Twitter) before meeting Putin.

Orban visited Kiev earlier in the week, where he urged Vladimir Zelensky to seek peace with Russia, arguing that a ceasefire could serve as a first step in the right direction. The Ukrainian leader didn’t take his proposal well, Orban said later. Kiev insists that only a military victory will result in a “just peace.”

“Shortest way out” of Ukraine conflict
The Hungarian premier said he wanted to hear directly from Putin how Russia perceives various peace initiatives, calling it an important step, even though the frank discussion confirmed that there was a major rift between the conflicting sides.

Putin and Orban discussed the “shortest way out” of the conflict, which the latter later revealed to journalists. Moscow’s and Kiev’s positions remain very “far apart,” the Hungarian admitted.

“A lot of steps have to be taken to get closer to a resolution of the war. Still, we’ve already taken the most important step – establishing the contact, and I will continue to work on this in the future,” Orban stated.

Moscow’s vision

Putin has told Orban that he presented his vision of how the conflict can be resolved, in a keynote speech at the Foreign Ministry last month, and said he is prepared to discuss its nuances.

The proposal he was referring to was to suspend hostilities immediately after Kiev renounces its bid to join NATO and orders its troops to pull back from all territories claimed by Moscow. Then a comprehensive discussion of a new security architecture in Europe could be held, Putin suggested. The Ukrainian government has rejected the offer.

The Russian president has reiterated Moscow’s readiness to resolve hostilities through negotiations. The Ukrainian leadership, however, appears to be still incapable of abandoning its idea of waging a war “until the end,” Putin noted.

Moscow is seeking to reach lasting, sustainable peace rather than opting for a temporary ceasefire or a “frozen conflict” of any sort, the Russian president warned.

There should not be a “ceasefire or some kind of pause that the Kiev regime could use to recover losses, regroup, and rearm. Russia is in favor of a complete and final end to the conflict,” Putin stressed.

Fury in Brussels

The trip to Moscow drew strong rebukes from EU leaders and officials, despite Orban insisting earlier in the day that he was not representing the union.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has accused Hungary’s prime minister of “appeasement” with regards to Putin. “Only unity and determination will pave the path to a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace in Ukraine,” she claimed.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said that Orban’s visit to Russia had nothing to do with the EU, and that the bloc’s position on the conflict remains unchanged.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, a vocal supporter of Kiev, lashed out at Orban after rumors of his impending visit started circulating in the media on Thursday. Tusk claimed he could not believe such a visit could take place.

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, who is slated to become the EU’s next foreign policy and security chief, has joined the chorus of Western officials reprimanding Orban. The Hungarian prime minister intends to “sow confusion,” she has claimed.

Ukraine conflict’s broader impact

The enduring conflict between Russia and Ukraine is affecting the broader European region, according to the Hungarian PM, who said the continent has enjoyed the most rapid and sustainable development only during peacetime.

In previous public remarks, Orban expressed concern that Western determination to escalate the Ukraine conflict may result in a direct clash with Russia, which could have catastrophic consequences for everyone involved.

Budapest has argued that the economic restrictions spawned by the conflict have hurt EU nations more than Russia and have failed to compel Moscow to capitulate."

Orban’s surprise visit to Moscow sparks fury in Brussels: Key takeaways from Hungarian PM’s ‘peace mission’ — RT World News

**OhOh** · 06-07-2024, 11:54 AM

5 Jul, 2024 15:22

HomeWorld News

‘Elements in West’ want World War III – NATO member state

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan commended Russia for proposing a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine conflict

"Certain Western powers appear hell-bent on turning the Ukraine conflict into an all-out world war, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said. He added that he hoped peace would prevail in spite of this.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has recently made a number of proposals aimed at ending hostilities in Ukraine, insisting that Moscow has always been open to dialogue. However, these proposals have been rejected by Ukraine and its Western backers as unrealistic and insincere.

Speaking to reporters on board the presidential jet as he returned from a Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Astana, Kazakhstan on Friday, Erdogan lamented that “unfortunately, there are countries and elements in the West that espouse an approach which paves the way for World War III.”

He blamed arms manufacturers for pushing their own agendas as Western powers continue to funnel military aid to Ukraine. “It is obvious that arms dealers need money. And the market for arms dealers is the West,” Erdogan said.

The Turkish head of state said that, in contrast, Russia has been promoting dialogue and a peaceful resolution of the Ukraine conflict. He said Ankara was keeping its finger on the pulse in relation to the conflict, and he hopes that Kiev and Moscow will seal a peace agreement soon."

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‘Elements in West’ want World War III – NATO member state — RT World News

**OhOh** · 06-07-2024, 11:58 AM

5 Jul, 2024 13:50

HomeWorld News

Moscow Pact: Will Russia unite the disunited world?

The global majority is increasingly showing its dissatisfaction with West’s ‘rules-based order’, but will the Kremlin take advantage of this?

By Farhad Ibragimov – expert, lecturer at the Faculty of Economics of RUDN University, visiting lecturer at the Institute of Social Sciences of the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration.

"The so-called Ukraine “peace summit” held in Switzerland last month, the June meeting in Russia of BRICS foreign ministers, Vladimir Putin’s Asian tour, and even this week’s visit by Hungarian PM Viktor Orban to Moscow – all these events are proof that the US and its allies have failed to isolate Russia from the rest of the world.

It is becoming clear that the Global South, which unites over 130 countries with a total population of about six billion people, does not intend to sever ties with Moscow. On the contrary, despite being pressured and blackmailed by the West, the countries of the Global South are striving to develop and strengthen relations with Russia. These states are irritated by the West’s hegemony and want to form a new world order based on justice and sovereignty.

Poles of the New World Order
The Ukraine crisis has contributed to the strengthening of the Global South’s role. The West hoped to enlist the unconditional support of the world majority, since it has the power to implement sanctions mechanisms through Western-controlled international financial institutions. But Washington’s traditional methods have started to lose their effectiveness. Iran and North Korea, which have lived under severe Western sanctions for decades, have become an example for other countries that want to pursue a foreign policy based on national interests.

And despite the fact that the West has imposed the greatest number of sanctions against Russia, the latter has become a ‘bulwark’ for the entire Global South and many countries have united around it. A good example is the growing role of alternative international associations – such as the SCO and BRICS – in which Russia holds leading roles. Many countries have already lined up to join these organizations, where they see many new opportunities for themselves."

Continues here:

Moscow Pact: Will Russia unite the disunited world? — RT World News

**david44** · 06-07-2024, 01:29 PM

In your view from Russia any news of the mass kidnap and should the perps be sent to ICJ for trial, or perhaps you approve of stealing kids?

During the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russia has forcibly transferred almost 20 thousand Ukrainian children to areas un.der its control, assigned them Russian citizenship, forcibly adopted them into Russian families, and created obstacles for their reunification with their parents and homeland.

Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia.

If these fascists abducted any of my family I'd be inclined to nuke Russia ask questions later.

Vile aologists for murders and kidnappers are no better than the perps and betray justice democracy and virtue may they rot in a jail cell before an eternity in hell.

**OhOh** · 06-07-2024, 08:24 PM

Orban is interviewed, on his flight home from Russia, by a a media person regarding his discussion with The Russian President.

English language after the intro.

Orbán in Moskau: Das erste Interview nach dem Putin-Gipfel

**Norton** · 07-07-2024, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Orbán in Moskau: Das erste Interview nach dem Putin-Gipfel

Orban is playing a very dangerous game in thinking he can bring peace in the Ukraine and prevent what Putin's end game is. The reestablishment of a Russian Empire encompassing the former Soviet Union. A plan that Putin himself has made clear. Orban and the rest of Europe best take Putin at his word as this is exactly his intent.

**baldrick** · 07-07-2024, 03:43 AM

Putin and his disinformation efforts keep his puppets in power

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

The reestablishment of a Russian Empire encompassing the former Soviet Union. A plan that Putin himself has made clear.

Link ?

Originally Posted by baldrick

Putin and his disinformation efforts keep his puppets in power

?

**Norton** · 07-07-2024, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Link ?

Anyone paying any attention to what Putin has stated can find numerous sources both pro and anti-Russian links. But if you must have a link, here ya go.
The View, from Russia.

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Anyone paying any attention to what Putin has stated can find numerous sources

Oh

It's so easy ?

So give me a link pronto

But is the truth that you can't ?

Was it one more Biden Moment ?

**bsnub** · 07-07-2024, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Link ?

Pull your head out of your ass, vantik. It is clear for all to see.

Putin's new Ukraine essay reveals imperial ambitions - Atlantic Council
https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...&center=global
Putin’s article as a manifesto against Ukraine’s sovereignty - Institute of Modern Russia

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Pull your head out of your ass, vantik. It is clear for all to see.

Putin's new Ukraine essay reveals imperial ambitions - Atlantic Council
https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...&center=global
Putin’s article as a manifesto against Ukraine’s sovereignty - Institute of Modern Russia

Well well well

BSnub to the rescue; quite heartwarming.

Sadly you can't help your friend:

Link 1 and 3 are both about Russia and Ukraine;( the lecture Putin gave to Tucker Carlson in his interview)

Link 2 is ....yeah, I don't know what they are on about, but there is no mention or quotes of Putin wanting to dominate the old Soviet countries

Just like link 1 and 3

Guess you haven't paid attention, BSnub, but atleast kudos for trying

Anyone paying any attention to what Putin has stated can find numerous sources

Norton ?

You got homework

The reestablishment of a Russian Empire encompassing the former Soviet Union. A plan that Putin himself has made clear.

Link

**bsnub** · 07-07-2024, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Link 1 and 3 are both about Russia and Ukraine;( the lecture Putin gave to Tucker Carlson in his interview)

You really are an epic scale idiot. Those articles were released in 2021 when pootin released his manifesto. They had nothing to do with Fucker Carlson, you idiot. They had everything to do with reestablishing the ruzzian empire.

Originally Posted by helge

Guess you haven't paid attention, BSnub, but atleast kudos for trying

Do fuck off, you dumb oxygen thief.

Vaniks going to vatnik.

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

You really are an epic scale idiot. Those articles were released in 2021 when pootin released his manifesto. They had nothing to do with Fucker Carlson, you idiot. They had everything to do with reestablishing the ruzzian empire.

Originally Posted by helge

Link 1 and 3 are both about Russia and Ukraine;( the lecture Putin gave to Tucker Carlson in his interview)

Did I post that it had to do with Tucker ?

Putin's "essay" is what he "lectured" Tucker about russian history.

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ • President of Russia (kremlin.ru)

Last words of the article:

And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.-

**kingwilly** · 07-07-2024, 10:31 AM

No, not an enemy at all, they just want to absorb Ukraine back into the Russian empire.

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by DrWilly

No, not an enemy at all, they just want to absorb Ukraine back into the Russian empire.

I'm sure you are right so far as they aren't too fond of the current ukrainian regime.

And that Kremlin now want chunks of Ukraine.

(you haven't read Putin's pre-war article yet, have you ?

)

**OhOh** · 07-07-2024, 11:35 AM

In the interview Orban says that ther will be another surprise on monday morning.

A discussion with Xi Jinping

I suspect not anyone in the "most powerful country in the world"

.

**kingwilly** · 07-07-2024, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by helge

(you haven't read Putin's pre-war article yet, have you ?

Do you mean the article from the Kremlin? No, I didnt because it wont load.

The View, from Russia.-screenshot-2024-07-07-12-39-a

did you read it?

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by DrWilly

did you read it?

Kinda had to, when BSnub claimed that Putin's "statement about reclaiming the old Soviet" was there.

Nothing of the kind and long passages was quite boring

The link for the article is in BSnubs first link.

Good luck

**helge** · 07-07-2024, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

In the interview Orban says that ther will be another surprise on monday morning.

A discussion with Xi Jinping

I suspect not anyone in the "most powerful country in the world" .

That would be Jill or Hunter Biden these days and they would probably charge for a meeting

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