Thread: The View, from Russia.

Some mini bakewell tarts too, apparently.

27 June 2024 19:10

Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko’s remarks at the OSCE Annual Security Review Conference, June

26-27, 2024

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"Madam Chairperson,

The claims that were made here regarding the Ukraine conflict should not mislead anyone and obscure the main point that Washington had unleashed a hybrid war to preserve its global hegemony in a world that has undergone dramatic change and is increasingly vocal about the need for more change.

Active hostilities, starting with Kiev’s punitive operation against Donbass, are just one theatre of this hybrid war. The goal is to prevent Russia and its allies from establishing themselves as a centerpiece of the emerging new and fairer international order. The price is the people of Ukraine, some of whom are dying for someone else’s goals, while others are trying their best to flee Ukraine. Those still staying in the country seem not to believe as much in fairy tales about a bright European future as before.

The political circus in Bürgenstock, Switzerland, clearly showed those who were reluctant to see things for what they are that all the Kiev regime’s Western curators want to accomplish is squeeze Ukraine dry for its resources, rather than achieve peace. Peace was an easy goal to attain through the Minsk agreements, which provided for the Lugansk and Donetsk regions reunification with Ukraine and respecting fundamental human rights in the process. There were a number of other options, including talks in Minsk and Istanbul which were torpedoed by the West. The barbaric attack using an ATACMS missile with a cluster warhead on the civilians and children in Sevastopol during the Holy Trinity holiday is the direct outcome of the “peaceful” Bürgenstock summit.

There is no such thing as security or cooperation in Europe. The United States has annihilated the political and military centrality of the OSCE. Arms control agreements that were of key importance to European and Euro-Atlantic security have been broken. The NATO members are having businesslike discussions about supplying the Kiev regime with ever more high-precision and long-range weapons and lifting restrictions on using them. They themselves will control these weapons and choose targets. The sweeping contempt for the principles of responsible export controls of the OSCE Document on SALW and the OSCE Principles Governing Conventional Arms Transfers is evident.

In order to achieve the perfect level of security, NATO countries that have declared themselves frontline countries would not hesitate to wrap barbed wire around their borders, dig anti-tank ditches and jostle for the honourable right to host as many foreign, preferably American, troops as possible, while taking money out of their economies and sinking it into US-made weapons. And do all of that under the banner that if Russia is allowed to win, it will go to conquer Poland and the Baltic States.

The economic dimension of the OSCE is collapsing under the weight of innumerable illegal sanctions imposed not only on Russia, but also on other countries which prefer to choose their partners on their own and to build mutually beneficial relations without anyone telling them what to do.

The unifying theme of transnational threats and challenges, including all other threats and challenges, is out of breath amid the suffocating atmosphere of the total Ukrainianisation of the OSCE agenda.

The humanitarian basket and the activities of the OSCE institutions have been eviscerated by Western double standards. Make your European choice publicly known, and you’ll get a free pass to all sorts of human rights violations all the way to unleashing war against your own people, which is what the Kiev regime did after the Maidan coup.

One would think Europe should not forget the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi regime if only to preserve itself. However, Europeans were bashfully silent when, in front of the whole world, nationalist thugs sporting swastika tattoos were burning people in the Trade Union House in Odessa, and shot and killed in cold blood those who tried to escape. Now, the country with flourishing Nazi ideology and practices is being dragged into the “values-based” European Union.

All that remains of the OSCE is a shell, a framework for a political dialogue, but there is no dialogue in sight. Bucharest refused to issue entry visas to members of the parliamentary delegations of Russia and Belarus who planned to participate in the annual session of the OSCE PA, thus showing contempt for the OSCE rules and procedures, and the OSCE itself.

We have heard speakers here discuss the OSCE principles and observe these principles. Each time you ponder territorial integrity and non-use of force, think about 1999 and NATO’s aggression against Yugoslavia and the attempt to tear Kosovo and Metohija away. Speaking of non-interference in internal affairs, think about the Western emissaries on the Kiev Maidan. Think about thousands upon thousands of people who drowned in the Mediterranean Sea trying to escape the aftermath of the “humanitarian interventions” carried out by the West in order to shore up the infamous rules-based order. Speaking of sovereign equality, think about the Europeans keeping their mouths shut when the Nord Stream pipelines were blown up. Think back to August 2008 when white was called black and vice versa when, intoxicated by the promise of NATO, Mikheil Saakashvili attacked Tskhinval while the city was asleep.

Is there an alternative to sliding toward a point of no return? Yes, there is. It is contained in President Putin’s proposals on ending the Ukraine conflict, which he articulated at a meeting with the Foreign Ministry senior officials on June 14"

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1959993/

The one thing that everyone can agree on is that everyone has an opinion that is unshakeable so any comment is really redundant as I have yet to see anyone change their mind. Mine is no different. If you invade a sovereign country when you have not been attacked you are the aggressor and therefore in the wrong. I like to keep things simple. No whatabouts provacations etc etc have any justification unless a country had positive proof that same country was about to invade and the russians regardless of their wonderful propaganda machine cannot get close to that narrative.

Originally Posted by helge

Really ?

You can't think of any invasion that proves your doctrine wrong ?

Go on then. Enlighten us!

Only if you beg !

Nah, I'll let HC have a go first.

I'll also accept imagined ones.

The change over is coming swiftly.
All the while, Anglophones continue to exist in their deluded fantasy.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

If you invade a sovereign country when you have not been attacked you are the aggressor and therefore in the wrong. I like to keep things simple. No whatabouts provacations etc etc have any justification unless a country had positive proof that same country was about to invade

Oh Hugh, your black and white myopic view has made you look foolish on that one.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Oh Hugh, your black and white myopic view has made you look foolish on that one.

I think HC mostly posts very drunk

To be fair

Originally Posted by helge

I think HC mostly posts very drunk

To be fair

The irony is strong coming from one of TD's biggest drunk hypocrites.

When did you and icebitch start sucking each other off?

Originally Posted by bsnub

The irony is strong coming from one of TD's biggest drunk hypocrites.

When did you and icebitch start sucking each other off?

.....

Originally Posted by bsnub

TD's biggest drunk hypocrites.

You'd fit the first part yourself, to be ...polite.

Don't really see you as a hypocrite.

That you are consistent in your gullible support of your neocon elite's narrative, isn't nearly as dispicable as posters who flip-flop in their support of their government's policy towards Weakening Russia and their no end criticism against same governments in the Israeli Gaza massmurder.



Wonder if they can navigate their ..principles ?

Nah; only joking. Flip floppers don't have any

Originally Posted by helge

Don't really see you as a hypocrite.

You on the other hand are a different story.

So you respond with gibberish. Do you have anything real to contribute to the discussion, or just more word salad ruzzian talking points? You really are a one-trick pony.

Originally Posted by bsnub

So you respond with gibberish. Do you have anything real to contribute to the discussion, or just more word salad ruzzian talking points? You really are a one-trick pony.

We don't have a discussion.

Originally Posted by helge

We don't have a discussion.

Of course, we don't, you can not discuss anything with a propagandist and egregious liar such as yourself. The only thing that can be done is to dispel your hypocrisy and lies with the truth.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by helge
We don't have a discussion.

Of course, we don't, you can not discuss anything with a propagandist and egregious liar such as yourself. The only thing that can be done is to dispel your hypocrisy and lies with the truth.

Originally Posted by helge (The 2024 US Presidential Election Discussion thread)
Heard of Obama and the war horny witch ?

Posted by Gritboy:
You clown, he did not start any new wars, he just continued the wars started by republicans. Fucking 'ell I have been drinking for almost 12 hours now, and I am still smarter than you are.

Done with your "research" yet `?

Clearly drunk and posting nonsense. You do like chasing your own tail, eh dipshit? My comment was spot on. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel, vatnik. You better stick to the talking points.

Oooh, editing quotes… clever

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Oooh, editing quotes… clever

OO eh ..no

A cut and paste

All by myself

Anything else ?

Nope, you’re a puerile troll. Carry on.

Al-Baour and Lavrov discuss activation of joint committees between Libya and Russia

BY MOHAMEDAHMED, 18/07/2024 - 08:48

"The minister in charge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Government of National Unity, Al-Taher Al-Baour, discussed with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov the possibility of activating joint committees between Libya and Russia to serve the interests of both countries.

This came in a meeting on the sidelines of the ministerial session of the UN Security Council, devoted to the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian issue, according to the Foreign Ministry’s statement on its Facebook page.

The two parties discussed ways to strengthen and develop bilateral relations in a way that serves common interests regarding issues and topics of common interest."

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Several HoR and HCS members agree in Cairo to form new Libyan government

BY ABDULKADERASSAD THU, 18/07/2024 - 21:44

"Members of the House of Representatives (HoR) and the High Council of State (HCS), met Thursday in Cairo and agreed to form a new unified government and to call on the House of Representatives to announce the opening of nominations to begin receiving recommendations and studying the files of candidates to head a “competent government” with national leadership.

In their final statement, the attendees called for the necessity of holding presidential and legislative elections in accordance with the agreed-upon laws issued by the House of Representatives, while expanding the circle of consensus, and submitting a roadmap proposal by members of both HoR and HCS as the basic path to completing the remaining entitlements necessary to reach elections.

They stressed the need to intensify and unify efforts to end the state of political and institutional division that increases the spread of corruption, high prices, and the unprecedented deterioration of citizens’ living conditions. They called on the international community to support national consensus and respect the will and sovereignty of the national decision-making process and the unity and integrity of the Libyan territory.

The attendees also indicated in their statement their agreement to present the roadmap proposal by members of both chambers as the basic path to completing the remaining requirements necessary to reach the elections.

The statement concluded by emphasizing the importance of continuing the direct Libyan national dialogue and rejecting the principle of seizing power for the purpose of a fait accompli, calling on all national forces, political parties and the Libyan people to support the efforts of the two councils to restore the security, unity and stability of the country.

The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Aqila Saleh, the Head of the High Council of State, Mohammed Takala, and the Head of the Presidential Council, Mohammed Menfi, were scheduled to meet in Cairo in mid-July to resume their meetings that began in Cairo last March under the auspices of the Arab League, but Takala informed the Arab League of suspending his communication with the House of Representatives due to the latter’s approval of the state budget, last week, unilaterally without involving the HCS."

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