Thread: The View, from Russia.

He has to be a paid shill. Nobody could be that stupid.

Originally Posted by bsnub

He has to be a paid shill. Nobody could be that stupid.

No, I think he's honestly that utterly fucking dumb.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No, I think he's honestly that utterly fucking dumb.

Russian Northern Fleet ships arrive in Venezuela – RIA

By Staff Editor July 2, 2024

(Reuters) – A group of Russian Northern Fleet ships arrived in Venezuela’s port city of La Guaira, Russian state news agency RIA reported today.

reuters.com



19: 26 02.07.2024(updated: 20: 34 02.07.2024)

Russian Northern Fleet ships arrive in Venezuela

Ships of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy arrived in the port of the Venezuelan state of La Guaira.

MEXICO CITY, July 2-RIA Novosti. A naval strike group of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy entered the port of the Venezuelan state of La Guaira, RIA Novosti reports.


It consists of the nuclear submarine "Kazan", the frigate" Admiral Gorshkov", the rescue tug" Nikolai Chiker "and the supply tanker" Akademik Pashin", which entered the port first.

The group is commanded by Vice Admiral Mikhail Neupokoev, Head of the Operational Department of the General Staff of the Navy.

According to the press service of the Northern Fleet, during the parking lot, the crews of Russian ships will be able to relax and get acquainted with local attractions.

It is specified that the business call will last for several days, after which the ship group led by the frigate Admiral Gorshkov will continue to perform its tasks in the Atlantic Ocean, including: displaying the flag and ensuring a naval presence in operationally important areas of the far ocean zone.

The ship group of the Northern Fleet is on a long-distance campaign, during which it paid an official visit to the port of Havana on June 12-17. Then the Russian sailors held meetings with the command of the Cuban Navy and the governor of the country's capital, as well as visited historical and cultural sites."

Корабли российского Северного флота прибыли в Венесуэлу - РИА Новости, 03.07.2024

Originally Posted by OhOh

Russian Northern Fleet

Apparently two crappy old rust buckets constitute a "fleet".

Originally Posted by bsnub

Apparently two crappy old rust buckets

Apparently, you know very little of their capability.

"It consists of the nuclear submarine "Kazan", the frigate" Admiral Gorshkov", the rescue tug" Nikolai Chiker "and the supply tanker" Akademik Pashin", which entered the port first."

Two of which are quite enough to display their abilities.

Both of these vessels can carry the Zircon nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile, which no western military are capable of defending their citizens from.


Assisting the local militaries in the future, to dissuade any western interference, an admirable cause.

The West – indubitably – has lost Russia, and is losing Eurasia too.

Alastair Crooke

July 1, 2024

"Is not President Putin’s purpose in visiting North Korea and Vietnam now clear in the context of the Eurasian security architecture project?

There perhaps was a momentary shrugging-off of slumber in Washington this week as they read the account of Sergei Lavrov’s démarche to the U.S. Ambassador in Moscow: Russia was telling the U.S. – “We are no longer at peace”!

Not just ‘no longer at peace’, Russia was holding the U.S. responsible for the ‘cluster strike’ on a Crimean beach on last Sunday’s Pentecost holiday, killing several (including children) and injuring many more. The U.S. thereby “became party” to the proxy war in Ukraine (it was an American-supplied ATACM; programmed by American specialists; and drawing on U.S. data), Russia’s statement read; “Retaliatory measures will certainly follow”.

Evidently, somewhere an amber light flashed hues of pink and red. The Pentagon grasped that something had happened – ‘No going around it; This could escalate badly’. The U.S. Defence Secretary (after a pause since March 2023) reached for the phone to call his Russian counterpart: ‘The U.S. regretted civilian deaths; the Ukrainians had full targeting discretion’.

The Russian public however, is plain furious.

The diplomatic argot of ‘there now being a state of betweenness; not war and not peace’ is but the ‘half of it’.

The West has ‘lost’ Russia much more profoundly than is understood.

President Putin – in his statement to the Foreign Ministry Board in wake of the G7 sword-rattling – detailed just how we had arrived at this pivotal juncture (of inevitable escalation). Putin indicated that the gravity of the situation demanded a ‘last chance’ offer to the West, one that Putin emphatically said was to be “No temporary ceasefire for Kiev to prepare a new offensive; nor a freezing the conflict – but rather, needed to be about the war’s final completion”.

It has been widely understood that the only credible way to end the Ukraine war would be a ‘peace’ agreement emerging through negotiation between Russia and the U.S.

This however is rooted in a familiar U.S. centric vision ‘Waiting on Washington.'

Lavrov archly commented (in paraphrase) that if anyone imagines we are ‘waiting for Godot’, and ‘will run for it’, they are mistaken.

Moscow has something much more radical in mind – something that will shock the West.

Moscow (and China) are not simply waiting upon the whims of the West, but plan to invert completely the security architecture paradigm: To create an ‘Alt’ architecture for the ‘vast space’ of Eurasia, no less.

It is intended to exit the existing bloc zero-sum confrontation. A new confrontation is not envisaged; however the new architecture nevertheless is intended to force ‘external actors’ to curtail their hegemony across the continent.

In his Foreign Ministry address, Putin explicitly looked ahead to the collapse of the Euro-Atlantic security system and to a new architecture emerging: “The world will never be the same again”, he said.

What did he mean?

Yuri Ushakov, Putin’s principal Foreign Policy adviser (at the Primakov Readings Forum), clarified Putin’s ‘sparse’ allusion:

Ushakov reportedly said that Russia increasingly has come to the view there is not going to be any long-term re-shaping of the security system in Europe. And without any major re-shaping, there will be no ‘final completion’ (Putin’s words) to the conflict in Ukraine.

Ushakov explained that this unified and indivisible security system in Eurasia must replace the Euro-Atlantic and Euro-centric models that are now receding into oblivion.

“This speech [of Putin at the Russian Foreign Ministry], I would say, sets the vector of further activities of our country at the international stage, including the building of a single and indivisible security system in Eurasia,” Ushakov said.

The dangers of excessive propaganda were apparent in an earlier episode where a major state found itself trapped by its own demonisation of its adversaries: South Africa’s security architecture for Angola and South-West Africa (now Namibia) too had fallen apart by 1980 – (I was there at the time). The South African Defence Forces still retained a residue of immense destructive capacity to the north of South Africa, but the use of that force was not yielding any political solution or amelioration. Rather, it was taking South Africa to oblivion (just as Ushakov described the Euro-Atlantic model today). Pretoria wanted change; It was ready (in principle) to do a deal with SWAPO, but the attempt to implement a ceasefire fell apart in early 1981.

The bigger problem was that the South African apartheid government had so succeeded with their propaganda and demonisation of SWAPO as being both ‘Marxist AND terrorist’ that their public recoiled at any deal, and it was to be another decade (and would take a geo-strategic revolution) before a settlement finally became possible.

Today, the U.S. and EU Security ‘Élite’ have been so ‘successful’ with their equally exaggerated anti-Russian propaganda that they too, are trapped by it. Even if they wanted to (which they don’t), a replacement security architecture may simply prove ‘unnegotiable’ for years to come.

So, as Lavrov has underlined, Eurasian countries have come to the realization that security on the continent must be built from within – free and far from American influence. In this conceptualisation, the principle of indivisibility of security – a quality not implemented in the Euro-Atlantic project – can and should become the key notion around which the Eurasian structure can be built, Lavrov specified.

Here, in this ‘indivisibility’, is to be found the real, and not the nominal, implementation of the provisions of the UN Charter, including the principle of sovereign equality.

Eurasian countries are pooling efforts together to jointly counter the U.S. claims on global hegemony and the West’s interference in other states’ affairs, Lavrov said at the Primakov Readings Forum on Wednesday.

The U.S. and other Western countries “are trying to interfere in the affairs” of Eurasia; transferring NATO infrastructure to Asia; holding joint drills and creating new pacts. Lavrov predicted:

“This is a geopolitical struggle. This has always been; and will perhaps, last for long – and maybe we will not see an end to this process. Yet it is a fact that the course towards control from the ocean of everything that occurs everywhere – is now countered by the course towards uniting the efforts of Eurasian countries”.

The start of consultations on a new security structure does not yet indicate the creation of a military-political alliance similar to NATO; “Initially, it may well exist in the form of a forum or consultation mechanism of interested countries, not burdened with excessive organisational and institutional obligations”, writes Ivan Timofeev.

However, the “parameters” to this system, explained Maria Zakharova,

“… will not only ensure long-lasting peace, but also avoid major geo-political upheavals due to the crisis of globalization, built according to Western patterns. It will create reliable military-political guarantees for the protection of both the Russian Federation and other countries of the macro-region from external threats, create a space free from conflicts and favourable for development – by eliminating the destabilizing influence of extra-regional players on Eurasian processes. In the future, this will mean curtailing the military presence of external powers in Eurasia”.

Honorary Chair of Russia’s Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, Sergei Karaganov, (in a recent interview) however, inserts his more sober analysis:

“Unfortunately, we are heading for a real world war, a full-blown war. The foundation of the old world system is bulging at the seams, and conflicts will break out. It is necessary to block the way leading to such a war … conflicts are already brewing and taking place in all areas”.

“The UN is a dying breed, saddled with the Western apparatus and therefore unreformable. Well, let it remain. But we need to build parallel structures … I think we should build parallel systems by expanding BRICS and the SCO, developing their interaction with ASEAN, the League of Arab States, the Organization of African Unity, Latin American Mercosur, etc.”.

“In general, we are interested in establishing a multilateral nuclear deterrence system in the world. So, I am personally not worried by the emergence of new nuclear powers and the strengthening of old ones simply because reliance on people’s reason doesn’t work. There must be fear. There must be greater reliance on a “nuclear deterrence-fear, inspiring-sobering up””.

The nuclear policy aspect is a complex and contentious issue today in Russia. Some argue that an overly restrictive Russian nuclear doctrine can be dangerous, should it cause adversaries to become overly blasé; that is to say, that adversaries become unimpressed or indifferent to the deterrence effect, so as to dismiss its reality.

Others prefer a posture of very last resort. All agree however that there are many stages of escalation available to an Eurasian security architecture, other than nuclear.

Yet the capacity for a continent-wide nuclear ‘security lock’ versus a nuclear-equipped NATO is evident: Russia, China, India, Pakistan – and now North Korea – are all nuclear weapons states, so a certain degree of deterrence potential is baked-in.

Other ‘steps of escalation’ no doubt will be at the centre of discussions at the Khazan BRICS summit this October. For a security architecture is not conceptually just ‘military’. The agenda embraces trade, financial and sanctions issues.

The simple logic of inverting the NATO military paradigm to yield an ‘Alt’ Eurasian security system would seem through force of logic alone, to argue that if the security paradigm is to be inverted, then the western financial and trading hegemony be inverted too.

De-dollarisation, of course, is already on the agenda, with tangible mechanisms likely to be unveiled in October. But if the West now feels free to sanction Eurasia at whim, the potential is also there for Eurasia reciprocally to sanction both the U.S. or Europe – or both.

Yes. We have ‘lost’ Russia (not forever). And we may lose much more. Is not President Putin’s purpose in visiting North Korea and Vietnam now clear in the context of the Eurasian security architecture project? They are part of it.

And to paraphrase CP Cavafy’s celebrated poem:

"Why this sudden bewilderment, this confusion? (How serious people’s faces have become).

Because night has fallen, and the [Russians] haven’t come.

And some of our men just in from the border say

there are no [Russians] any longer…

“Now what’s going to happen to us without [the Russians]?

“They were a kind of solution”.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/20...g-eurasia-too/

Originally Posted by OhOh

Both of these vessels can carry the Zircon nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile, which no western military are capable of defending their citizens from.

Dopey c u n t believes everything Pravda tells him.

Originally Posted by OhOh

"Is not President Putin’s purpose in visiting North Korea and Vietnam now clear in the context of the Eurasian security architecture project?

Yes, he's running out of friends so he's having to go in person to do a bit of brown nosing to stop the chinkies pulling the rug from under his feet.

Someone's threatened by imaginary and made up boogiemen...

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Someone's threatened by imaginary and made up boogiemen...

Yes hoohoo and you, the pinky and perky of TD.

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Someone's threatened by imaginary and made up boogiemen...

All those Russian soldiers flattening towns and killing civilians in Ukraine are imaginary?

FOJ

Originally Posted by OhOh

the rescue tug

Clearly the most important ship in the "fleet"

Originally Posted by OhOh

Alastair Crooke

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Someone's threatened by imaginary and made up boogiemen...

Are you really that stupid?

Originally Posted by pickel

All those Russian soldiers flattening towns and killing civilians in Ukraine are imaginary?

I guess he is like Helga and denies that is a thing.

Originally Posted by pickel

FOJ

Indeed.

FOJ you utter twat.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Apparently, you know very little of their capability.

"It consists of the nuclear submarine "Kazan", the frigate" Admiral Gorshkov", the rescue tug" Nikolai Chiker "and the supply tanker" Akademik Pashin", which entered the port first."

Two of which are quite enough to display their abilities.

Both of these vessels can carry the Zircon nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile, which no western military are capable of defending their citizens from.


Assisting the local militaries in the future, to dissuade any western interference, an admirable cause.

Thank you all for reading my recent posts and your comments.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Thank you all for reading my recent cut and pastes and your comments.

FTFY.

OhOh shows a lot about how many Russian and Chinese (and other) people think, especially the poorly educated and simple minded. Where people are much more likely to follow a national narrative, devoid of any critical thinking or descent knowing that they are really divorced from the political decision making process with no way (or in many cases no interest) to influence it. Where Moscow and Beijing are thousands of kilometres away and their concern is more about survival and quality of life albeit with lower expectations. Understandable where in both countries such luxuries as an indoor toilet are far from the norm. Their leaders are often seen as larger than life and to be followed without question as if to do otherwise would be unpatriotic. Their patriotism used as a way of throwing off feelings of inferiority and envy when comparing their material way of life with the west, accompanied by a narrative of the west being the source of all their problems.
The difference in the west is a much higher awareness that many of the problems come from within the state itself.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

OhOh shows a lot about how many Russian and Chinese (and other) people think

Thank you for reading and commenting on them.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

The difference in the west is a much higher awareness that many of the problems come from within the state itself.

If you say so. I presume you are referring to foreign countries.

Some of the western people for sure. However I suspect most of NaGaStan's media outlets print far more anti, its the xxx (foreign) propaganda, than focusing on there own domestic actions.

Here is one such article:

4 Jul, 2024 00:09

HomeWorld News

Russia-China relations ‘best ever’ – Putin

Moscow’s strategic partnership with Beijing is a global “stabilizing factor”, the Russian president has said.

July 3, 2024 © Sergey Guneev / Sputnik

"Moscow and Beijing are building relations based on equality and mutual respect in the interests of their people, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said during a meeting with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping.

Putin and Xi held a lengthy bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Astana, Kazakhstan, on Wednesday.

“We have repeatedly stated with good reason that Russia-China relations, our comprehensive partnership and strategic cooperation, are going through the best period in their history,” the Russian leader said. They are “guided by the principles of equality, mutual benefit and respect for each other’s sovereignty,” he added.

Our cooperation is not directed against anyone. We do not create any blocs or alliances; we are simply acting in the interests of our people.

The Chinese president in turn noted that his regular meetings with Putin are “not just a good tradition of ours, but also the symbol of the high level that Russian-Chinese relations enjoy.”

The leaders agreed to enhance ties to safeguard their countries’ legitimate interests, with Putin calling it a “main stabilizing factor on the international stage.”

“Facing an international situation fraught with turbulence and changes, the two countries should keep upholding the original aspiration of lasting friendship, and sticking to the determination of benefiting the people,” Xi added.

Putin also promised to support China’s chairmanship of the SCO in 2024–2025 in “every way,” calling the organization “one of the key pillars of a fair multipolar world order.”

Russia-China relations ‘best ever’ – Putin — RT World News

You may notice the actual contents, the words of the statements, are attributed to the named speakers. In this article, the Russian and Chinese Presidents.

Russia has become subservient to China

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

OhOh shows a lot about how many Russian and Chinese (and other) people think, especially the poorly educated and simple minded. Where people are much more likely to follow a national narrative, devoid of any critical thinking or descent knowing that they are really divorced from the political decision making process with no way (or in many cases no interest) to influence it. Where Moscow and Beijing are thousands of kilometres away and their concern is more about survival and quality of life albeit with lower expectations. Understandable where in both countries such luxuries as an indoor toilet are far from the norm. Their leaders are often seen as larger than life and to be followed without question as if to do otherwise would be unpatriotic. Their patriotism used as a way of throwing off feelings of inferiority and envy when comparing their material way of life with the west, accompanied by a narrative of the west being the source of all their problems.
The difference in the west is a much higher awareness that many of the problems come from within the state itself.

Plus these chinky and russian dictators jail or kill people who threaten their golden thrones.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Here is one such article...

... because hoohoo doesn't have an original thought in his head, good little drone that he is.