The View, from China

**Switch** · 22-04-2022, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You have to admit Mr. Shithole has got a sense of humour.

Hasn’t he just. The slope faced Chinky bastard.

**sabang** · 22-04-2022, 05:29 PM

1:- The IMF-

Boao Forum for Asia Annual Conference 2022

Speech by Kristalina Georgieva for the Opening Plenary

Zao shang hao . Thank you for inviting me to this year’s Boao Forum.

The theme for this year’s Forum, “The World in COVID-19 and Beyond: Working Together for Global Development and A Shared Future,” could not be more timely.
Today, the global economic community—and policymakers everywhere—face immense challenges.

The global economy has been hit by shock after shock, resulting in crisis upon a crisis.

First, the pandemic: for two years, it turned our lives and economies upside down, and it is still not over. The continued spread of the virus could give rise to even worse variants, prompting further disruption and divergence between and within countries.

Second, the war in Ukraine: this is a human tragedy and devastating for Ukraine’s economy, and it is sending shockwaves throughout the globe.
As a result of these crises, we now project a further downgrade in global growth for 2022 and 2023.

While prospects vary across countries, we can see the impact in all regions. Higher energy and food prices add to inflationary pressures, squeezing the real incomes of households almost everywhere.

Yet, the worry is not just the slowdown but the added risks and uncertainty we face—well beyond the normal range.

An escalation of the war would further weaken the global recovery and fragment the world into geopolitical blocs—with different trade and technology standards, payment systems, and reserve currencies.
Tighter financial conditions would further complicate the recovery, especially for vulnerable countries where debt is already elevated.
A more prolonged slowdown in China would have substantial global spillovers.

· Meanwhile, climate risks are getting worse.

The upshot is that this is the most universally complex policy environment of our lifetime, requiring decisive actions by the global community.

First: end the war in Ukraine.

Second: continue to confront the pandemic, with a comprehensive toolkit that includes vaccines, testing, and anti-viral treatments—deployed everywhere.

Third: tackle inflation and debt . Central banks should act decisively and communicate clearly. Spending must be carefully prioritized and targeted. Some countries will require debt restructuring. To help them, the G-20 Common Framework must be improved.

As the world’s second largest economy, actions to counter the growth slowdown here in China, and achieve the authorities’ ambitious growth target, are also vital for the global recovery. Fortunately, China has policy space to provide macroeconomic policy support , including shifting the focus toward vulnerable households to strengthen consumption, which can also help support China’s climate goals by steering economic activity to lower-carbon sectors. Stronger policy efforts in the property sector can also help secure a balanced recovery.

But the solutions for the global economy go beyond any one country. Countering the far‑reaching damage of these back-to-back crises, and the risks we face in a more shock prone world, requires stronger international cooperation. This is paramount.

We must preserve and improve the rules-based framework that has governed international and economic relations for more than 75 years and has helped deliver significant improvements in living standards across the globe. All countries have a vital role in supporting multilateral efforts.

Let us all work for a stronger, more resilient, and sustainable world. We can do it, but only if we work together.

Xie xie!

IMF Communications Department

Boao Forum for Asia Annual Conference 2022

2:- vs. 'arry & swish, Global movers & shakers-

Mr. Shithole
slope faced Chinky bastard.

**sabang** · 22-04-2022, 06:42 PM

A year ago in these pages, I made ten predictions about China’s upcoming year. Here’s how they turned out:

GDP will expand by 10%. Wrong (it grew 8%).
Most Fortune 500 companies will be Chinese. Right.
China will create five new billionaires each week. Right. (It’s now the world’s richest country)
Extreme poverty and homelessness will disappear. Right
China will narrow its Gini gap. Unknown.
Average Chinese will outlive Americans. Right. (US life expectancy fell 3 years).
Chinese vaccines will protect 60% of the world . Wrong. (It was 50%)
China will revolutionize urban life. Wrong. The new city will open in 2022 .
China will unveil the first exascale computer . Right. Three, and the Gordon Bell Prize)
China will announce another quantum surprise. Right. (A quantum computer 10,000 times faster than Google’s Sycamore).

In fact, 2021 was the best year in Chinese history. Here’s what they did:

Eliminated extreme poverty.
Achieved 98% home ownership.
Mastered Covid, with a death rate 0.6% of America’s.
Grew the economy faster than ever, by $2 trillion PPP, four times America’s rate.
Became the richest country on earth.
Built three exascale computers. One runs AI problems 88,000 times faster.
Brought two gas-cooled Pebble Bed nuclear power plants online.
Fired up two thorium-fueled reactors, eliminating uranium from power generation.
Certified a Covid treatment that reduces hospitalizations and deaths 78%.
Became the world’s largest movie market.
Successfully tested the world’s most powerful solid rocket engine.
Flew three hypersonic missiles around the planet.
Released a fractional orbital bombardment missile, at 17,000 mph.
Commissioned three warships at a time to become the biggest navy.
Issued the most patents of any country and dominated scientific research.
Sold $140 billion retail online in 24 hours. Amazon’s record is $5 billion.
Made 55% of global energy savings.
Generated 1 terawatt of renewable energy.
Produced a new billionaire and 300 millionaires every work day.
Completed new train lines in seven countries, including Laos’ first.
Ran 12,000 cargo trains to and from Europe, up 30% on last year.
Joined RCEP, the world’s biggest trade pact.
Launched the world’s first central bank digital currency.
Built a programmable quantum computer 10,000x faster than Google’s.
Operated the first integrated, 3,000-mile, commercial quantum communications network.
Installed one-million 5G base stations, giving Tibet better 5G service than New York.
Communicated between satellites via lasers, 1,000x faster than radio waves.

Godfree Roberts wrote Why China Leads the World: Talent at the Top, Data in the Middle, Democracy at the Bottom, and publishes the newsletter, Here Comes China.

https://www.unz.com/article/ten-chin...ions-for-2021/

Not exactly sure how the TD intelligentsia arrive at the conclusion 'China is in trouble'.

**bsnub** · 22-04-2022, 06:44 PM

Fuck. Sabang must have died or left the forum. This is just a hacked account at this point.

**sabang** · 22-04-2022, 06:58 PM

The Ghost of Deng!! Godfree Roberts is an American who lives in Chiang Mai btw. He thinks we are a fake democracy, but China is real.

Walk like a Democracy

Talking 'democracy' is not doing democracy

The biggest hit on Western style democracy is that it is fake democracy. Yes, its elections make it look democratic, and its politicians endlessly repeat “democracy,” but it doesn’t walk like democracy.

It never produces democratic outcomes. Never:

The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy," they write, "while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.

Not surprisingly, if we compare the dimensions of democracy in China and the USA–formal, elective, popular, procedural, operational and substantive–we find that the USA fails to score at all, while China scores well in all.

1. Formally, the US Constitution never mentions ‘democracy’ (the Founders hated it) and China’s Constitution mentions it 32 times.

2. Electively, China has bigger, more transparent elections than the US. China’s are supervised and certified by The Carter Center, which also runs China’s election website.

3. Popularly, China has a twenty percent higher voter participation than the USA (62% to 52%), suggesting that more Chinese voters think their vote counts.

4. Procedurally, China uses a public, democratic process to appoint senior officials and approve all legislation. (American presidential candidates are chosen by wealthy backers and appointed by an unelected group of people called the Electoral College which nobody understands).

5. Operationally, American presidents operate like like medieval monarchs. They hire and fire all senior officials and frequently order citizens kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned and assassinated without consulting anyone. They can secretly ban 50,000 people from flying on airlines without explanation and take the country to war at any time, for any reason. No Chinese leader–including Mao–could do any of those things. They have to vote on everything, democratically.

6. Substantively, China’s government policies produce democratic outcomes. Ninety-six percent of Chinese voters approve the government’s policies and eighty-three percent say China is being run for their benefit rather than for the benefit of a special group (only thirty-eight percent of Americans think this of their country).

Whether a country is a democracy or not depends on whether its people are really the masters of the country. If people wake up to vote, but then go back to sleep , if they are given a song and dance during campaigning but have no say after the election, or if they are favored during canvassing but are left out in the cold after the election, such a democracy is not a true democracy. It is in itself undemocratic to use a single yardstick to measure the rich and varied political systems and examine the diverse political civilizations of humanity from a monotonous perspective. The system of people's congresses is an important institutional vehicle for realizing whole-process people's democracy in China". Xi Jinping, Oct. 13, 2021.

Walk like a Democracy - by Godfree Roberts

Are we Walking the Walk, or just Talking the Talk?

Should Dr Godfree be cancelled for such heresy?

**Switch** · 22-04-2022, 07:11 PM

The IMF held back a bit. It’s more about what was unsaid. Afraid of upsetting the Chinese?

Your propaganda really has no limits does it. That last post was more and more like OhHo with his impossible claims direct from the China playbook.

All you need to complete your dream is a move to the Chinese mainland. Obviously you prefer to stay in Oz, where you can continue to spout bollox and enjoy your western life style. Hypocrisy at its finest.

**Switch** · 22-04-2022, 07:16 PM

“Popularly, China has a twenty percent higher voter participation than the USA (62% to 52%), suggesting that more Chinese voters think their vote counts”

Simple arithmetic is not your strong point is it?

**sabang** · 22-04-2022, 07:23 PM

Simple reading comprehension is not yours swish- the author is one Dr Godfree Roberts, not Deng Sabang. But for the record, the exact percentage differential in voting participation is 19.23%. Happy now?

**harrybarracuda** · 22-04-2022, 10:04 PM

Chinky votes are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

To quote Stalin:

I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how.

In shitholes like Russia and chinkystan, you might as well wipe your arse with the ballot for all the good it is.

**Switch** · 23-04-2022, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Simple reading comprehension is not yours swish- the author is one Dr Godfree Roberts, not Deng Sabang. But for the record, the exact percentage differential in voting participation is 19.23%. Happy now?

… and yet, with such glaringly obvious errors, you chose to copy it in support of your case. If you are happy to be convinced by such errors, you can’t blame others for rubbishing your feeble attempts at supporting the untenable.

Do take the time to actually read your supporting links before jumping on the obvious. If the actual content is flawed, what else are they trying to hide?

**sabang** · 23-04-2022, 07:03 AM

and yet, with such glaringly obvious errors

What, 19.23% vs 20%- have you gone nuts? You can't even do simple arithmetic, can you?

But really, why don't you excoriate the miscreants in your own country for their treachery (from your third world bolthole)?
In the UK, over 75% of respondents think their country is heading in the wrong direction.
In the USA, at least 55%
In China, over 90% of respondents think their country is headed in the right direction. Repeated Polls have verified this.
Here in the lucky country, it's about 50/50.

No point throwing shade at the Chinese pal- they ain't the ones with the problem here. Why aren't you asking more questions of your own government, gweilo?

**sabang** · 23-04-2022, 07:20 AM

Governance, China, and the Roman Empire

We play politics. They play governance. [Part One of a series...]

Our Western Model

We have always distrusted our leaders because our political legacy, being Greco-Roman, has always been monarchical and inclined to war. Elite lying–especially about wars–has been a constant for 3,000 years.

Western politicians’ primary responsibility has always been maintenance of the status quo, usually by lying on behalf of their wealthy sponsors and ignoring plebeians’ needs, as American researchers Gilens and Page found:

Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, we conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of–or even against–the will of the majority of voters.. The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.

Such lying impedes self-evaluation and national learning, allowing myths, false propaganda, and anachronistic beliefs to persist until the external environment is perceived only dimly, through a fog of myths. Our government repeatedly listen to the same, reliably stupid people until adaptation to the environment becomes impossible–as we are currently witnessing.

China does responsibility

Confucius, the world’s greatest (and, perhaps, only real) political scientist, insisted that a ruler’s first task is getting proper men:

Let people see that you only want their good and the people will be good. The relationship between superiors and inferiors is like that between the wind and the grass. The grass must bend when the wind blows across it. If good men were to govern a country continually for a hundred years they would transform the violently bad and dispense with capital punishment altogether. Analects.

Confucius designed a society built on an innate decency, and that has been the agenda of every government –including the present one – ever since. Says Martin Jacques:

The reason the State enjoys a formidable legitimacy in the eyes of the Chinese has nothing to do with democracy but can be found in the relationship between the State and Chinese civilization. The State is seen as the embodiment, guardian and defender of Chinese civilization. Maintaining the unity, cohesion and integrity of the Chinese civilization-state is perceived as the highest political priority, the sacrosanct task of the Chinese State. Unlike in the West, where the State is viewed with varying degrees of suspicion, even hostility and regarded, as a consequence, as an outsider, in China the state is seen as an intimate, as part of the family, indeed as the head of the family. When China Rules the World.

How is Xi Jinping, the current head of the Big Family, doing?

For details on how Xi achieved this, read the next installment.

Governance, China, and the Roman Empire

I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering how such a massive, diverse nation has achieved such national solidarity and approval ratings. That's part one of Dr Godfrees take.

**Switch** · 23-04-2022, 07:38 AM

^Its the same as in the west. The haves and the have nots. The majority of the Chinese don’t even realise they are the have nots.

That comes much later. (see the disposal of Mao)

**sabang** · 23-04-2022, 08:09 AM

I'm sure that Godfrees "Part Two" will go into the reasons why- probably that the income growth for all Chinese people across the board has been quite spectacular this century- while, in our Oligarchies (perhaps DINOs- Democracy In Name Only) real wealth has overwhelmingly accrued to the the Rich and Corporations, while average peoples incomes have remained largely static, on a PPP basis. Obviously that varies between nations, for example Australia's minimum wage is somewhat over double the US Federal minimum wage these days. We're a more nanny state model, the US a more naked Capitalist model.

Anyway, lets see- I'll post it when he comes out with it.

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2022, 12:40 PM

I see sabang is in full cut and paste bollocks mode today.

**misskit** · 23-04-2022, 10:12 PM

China's censors scrub viral Shanghai lockdown video from online platforms

Beijing (AFP) – A viral video showing the impact of the prolonged coronavirus lockdown on Shanghai's residents has been taken down by China's internet censors Saturday, triggering an online backlash.

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About 25 million residents in Shanghai have been shut inside their homes since early April as officials rush to curb its worst ever outbreak since the beginning of the pandemic.

The city has struggled to provide fresh vegetables and other essentials to those in lockdown, while patients have reported trouble accessing regular medical care as thousands of health staff were deployed to covid testing and treatment.

The issues were chronicled in a six-minute video titled "Voice of April", which was widely shared on Weibo and WeChat -- major social media platforms in China.

Shot against a simple aerial black-and-white view of the city, the video opens with audio clips from media briefings in March where officials say Shanghai will not have a citywide lockdown.

The decision was quickly reversed by April as the highly transmissible Omicron variant led to a spike in infections.

As the camera pans across the empty streets of Shanghai, audio clips are played in chronological order showing the dire situation of residents shunted into their homes without preparation.

"We have gone to the hospital twice, but no one is there to treat us," a man whose father is ill is heard saying.

In another, a woman complains about not being allowed back home when she returned from hospital after chemotherapy.

There is also a clip of residents yelling, "Thank you, Big Whites" -- a nickname for health staff dressed in white PPE gear deployed to various nieghbourhoods.

Internet censors battled for hours Saturday to scrub the video from Weibo and Wechat, as netizens kept uploading it into different cloud services.

The swift censorship led to an online backlash.

"The video was just presenting raw facts. There is nothing provocative!" said one commentator on Weibo.

"Its content is nothing new... But the fact of seeing that even that is censored, it bothers me," wrote another.

While "Voice of April" is not accessible on any major social media platform in China as of Saturday afternoon, it can still be viewed on Youtube.

Shanghai reported 23,504 new coronavirus cases and 12 deaths on Saturday.

China's censors scrub viral Shanghai lockdown video from online platforms

**helge** · 23-04-2022, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

Simple arithmetic is not your strong point is it?

Is it your ..strong point ?

**Switch** · 24-04-2022, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Is it your ..strong point ?

No it isn’t, but I’m not the one who so eagerly accepted the obvious flaw in the document purported to support his argument.

**Norton** · 24-04-2022, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by misskit

China's censors scrub viral Shanghai lockdown video from online platforms

Vid just one of many banned by gov. Folks are very angry. Vids remind me of this scene.

**sabang** · 24-04-2022, 07:44 AM

This is why those VPNs come in handy. Meanwhile, in a rice farm somewhere outside of Chengdu, Mr Wong thinks they are all happy campers in Shanghai, glorifying in the magnificent job Uncle Xi is doing saving human life during the Covid pandemic.

**Switch** · 24-04-2022, 08:00 AM

The only people who use a VPN are those who can afford them. Even you have to admit that excludes a significant proportion of the 1.4bn native residents who can afford one, or the number who have even heard of VPNs.

Yet more desperation and irrelevance creeping into your pro communist posts.

**sabang** · 24-04-2022, 08:08 AM

I rather lament the fact our society is going down the same road swish, in case you hadn't noticed.

**harrybarracuda** · 24-04-2022, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

This is why those VPNs come in handy.

Are you seriously dumb enough to think the chinkies can't spy on VPN traffic, you fucking moron?

**Switch** · 24-04-2022, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I rather lament the fact our society is going down the same road swish, in case you hadn't noticed.

Using the word ‘our’ is totally superfluous, in case you hadn’t noticed.

I am not Australian and you are not Chinese, in case you hadn’t noticed.

**harrybarracuda** · 24-04-2022, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

Using the word ‘our’ is totally superfluous, in case you hadn’t noticed.

I am not Australian and you are not Chinese, in case you hadn’t noticed.

I think he's had a bit of chinky in him though, it might explain the bromance.

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