Ukraine war mega thread

[Bettyboo]

Ha !

Wants Lebenraum-Check

Ethnic cleansing- check

Operates apartheid - check

Kills civilians en masse- check

If it walks like a duck.........


Yeah well

Putin not needed and especially not on that issue

Most see them as cuents

Ha !

Wants Lebenraum-Check

Ethnic cleansing- check

Operates apartheid - check

Kills civilians en masse- check

If it walks like a duck.........


Yeah well

Putin not needed and especially not on that issue

Most see them as cuents

Hmmm, the silly response I expected - nonsense.

You still have a problem of just using the wrong word: Zelenzky cannot be a Nazis any more than Anne Franks - that's the way words work; they are specific and contextualized. Your friend Bibi, can be called many things and accused of many things, perhaps rightly, but he's not a Nazi.

Let's say the things you say are true, they aren't but for arguments sake... He kills civilians en-masse, and he operatures apartheid and he conducts ethnic cleansing and he wants Lebenraum (which is absurd, and only somebody detached from reality would say a Ukranian leader invaded by Russia, involved in a defensive war wants, and is Jewish "...wants to establish a Greater German Reich." - totally silly (I'm being kind here, and for that to be your starting gambit shows a real problem with your "thinking".

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In case the picture doesn't work, here's the link: Lebensraum - Wikipedia



None of what you said could make Zelensky a Nazis, for you to double down on this point is extremely ignorant - sorry to be so harsh, but it just is....

Then there's the other issue which is "Putin not needed and especially not on that issue" - the only reason anybody knows anything about Zelensky is because of Putin's aggressive and vile invasion of Ukraine which is one of his many invasions and wars going on for decades under his own stated aim of getting back the former USSR. The fact you don't see a connection to "that issue" is again, totally absurd.

Again, you once seemed like an excellent poster, and whatever you're going through, I hope you get better because you're writing diatribe. It's laughably incorrect at every level.

[Bettyboo]

A good step.

EU indefinitely freezes Russian assets so Hungary and Slovakia can’t veto their use for Ukraine | CNN

[bsnub]

None of what you said could make Zelensky a Nazis, for you to double down on this point is extremely ignorant

Don't worry, he will double down, he already has for years in this thread. He has been pushing the same nonsensical ruzzian talking points since day one of this thread. Feel free to take a look at the early days of this thread. It was full of complete nutjobs. Most have flounced since then, Helga is the last one standing.

[Bettyboo]

Well, I hope he gets better; he's clearly unwell.

Jews can certainly be bad people and do bad things, but they cannot be Nazis.

Putin is an aggressive scumbag mass murderer; anybody who defends his behaviour and stated aims is deluded. He does not even hide his intentions - he longs to rule the former USSR, and to take the former republics through invasion and wars.

[Molle]

Jews can certainly be bad people and do bad things, but they cannot be Nazis.

Ideologically they can't but otherwise there is nothing preventing a jew through blood line to be a Nazi and there are many historical examples of it.
If you want to prove to helge that Zelensky is not a Nazi then you'll have to use other means of doing that.

[bsnub]

If you want to prove to helge that Zelensky is not a Nazi then you'll have to use other means of doing that.

Fuck off. Nobody has to prove anything to him. The false allegation is deeply rooted in ruzzian propaganda. It has been debunked countless times. So you and Helga can run along and have your circle jerk elsewhere.

[Molle]

^ No surprise there, as usual you missed the point

[Bettyboo]

Ideologically they can't but otherwise there is nothing preventing a jew through blood line to be a Nazi and there are many historical examples of it.
If you want to prove to helge that Zelensky is not a Nazi then you'll have to use other means of doing that.

Morry, that's a tad silly. Nazism is an ideology not a "blood/birth right". If you're mum and dad are Nazis, that doesn't make you one - you have to make an ideological choice to become one. Very very silly comment...

[Molle]

Nazism is an ideology not a "blood/birth right".

Did I say that? No, I said that jews are jews through blood line and that does not automagically exclude them from becoming a nazi.

[Bettyboo]

Hmmm, anything is possible in an endless world's type theory, but I'd suggest to you that any Jewish person becoming a Nazi would have mental health issues. Let's agree that it's not a common example. Personally, I've never seen a Jewish Nazi. I've also never seen a cat that's had cosmetic surgery to turn it into a dog, but I suppose it might be possible... Kinda an outlier...

[Molle]

Just a moment...

[Bettyboo]

^ So, you found an example of somebody who fought in the war for Germany, was not in the Nazi party, and when he was discovered to be Jewish was kicked out of the army. You're really doing well... As the article states, and is rather obvious (perhaps not to you) Jews were banned from joining the Nazi party.

This article talks about Jews joining the German army (not Nazi party) to fight for their country - of course they did. If Malaysia was at war with Thailand, some Thai Muslims would fight for their home country, Thailand. You are desperately trying to spin because your "argument" is absurd...

It also says that "oIn all, thousands of Jews in Germany and occupied Europe – out of a population of about 9.5 million — assisted the Nazi regime in some way."... "under duress"... "refusal to comply with Gestapo orders usually meant death — it’s difficult to cast judgement on cooperating Jews. By the end of the war, the vast majority of them were dead." This doesn't support your "argument either"... The rest of the article is even more damning to your "argument", but I can't be bothered to textually analyse it because you clearly couldn't be bothered to read it... At this point, a lesser person would call you names, but I won't...

[bsnub]

So a dumb multi-nick troll come in and derails the thread. Do not give these vatnik bozos the time of day. It is best just to humiliate them and laugh at them. They are clowns, nothing more.

Then just move on.

[helge]

Zelenzky cannot be a Nazis any more than Anne Franks - that's the way words work

I guess you can't be a fascist unless you eat Pizza then

If that's the way words works

Let's say the things you say are true, they aren't but for arguments sake... He kills civilians en-masse, and he operatures apartheid and he conducts ethnic cleansing and he wants Lebenraum (which is absurd

Absurd ?

That's what is happening.

How would you describe it otherwise ?

Just curios: What's the difference between ethnic cleansing and Lebensraum to you ?

only somebody detached from reality would say a Ukranian leader invaded by Russia, involved in a defensive war wants, and is Jewish "...wants to establish a Greater German Reich."

I'll let this stand alone



And then ask you:

How can anyone be a fascist if they don't want to invade Abbesinia ?

the only reason anybody knows anything about Zelensky is because of Putin's aggressive and vile invasion of Ukraine

That'll work on its own too

[NamPikToot]

Helge. I gather your ancestry as collborators was never exposed?

[helge]

Jews can certainly be bad people and do bad things, but they cannot be Nazis.

And they like to keep thousands in camps without Habeas Corpus- check

Uses starvation as weapon and way to cleanse land-check

The entire westbank is today an archipelago of isolated Ghettos- check

Again, you once seemed like an excellent poster, and whatever you're going through, I hope you get better because you're writing diatribe.

Never really read your Goat thread. A bit pretentious.

You shouldn't spend so much time speculating on my health and instead concentrate on your own

Without having any idea whatsoever, you do show signs of having overdone your Xanax a bit too much

None of my business though

[NamPikToot]

Never really read your Goat thread. A bit pretentious.

You shouldn't spend so much time speculating on my health and instead concentrate on your own

Without having any idea whatsoever, you do show signs of having overdone your Xanax a bit too much

None of my business though

how many bottle Helge? some shit must be going on because you are getting increasingly erratic toward the year end

[helge]

how many bottle Helge? some shit must be going on because you are getting increasingly erratic toward the year end

Another one !

Heart warming

[helge]

While looking I found this:

Article 73


Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum.

Ukraine’s Zelensky floats referendum on territory, as US pressure mounts

Story by Bloomberg
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The president says Russia wants 'the whole of Donbas' in return for peace, but the Ukrainian people must have their say
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky floated the prospect of putting the issue of territorial control in the country's east to a referendum as Kyiv comes under mounting pressure to agree to terms of an emerging peace plan to end Russia's war.
Moscow has insisted that Ukraine withdraw its forces from the eastern Donbas, which includes areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions that the Russian military has failed to capture in its nearly four-year invasion.
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Looks like he is on it

[david44]

Moscow has insisted that Ukraine withdraw its forces from the eastern Donbas, which includes areas of the Donetsk

The Western part surely, they already have the east >

Perhaps it was lost in translation, I am don't think Helge is being dishonest , misled or quoting some Sputnik?

[helge]

I didn't translate or notice, but

the eastern Donbas, which includes areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions

The Western part surely, they already have the east >

I looked up Donbas on WIKI for definitions and ofcourse:​

There are numerous definitions of the region's extent.^[14] The Encyclopedia of History of Ukraine defines the "small Donbas" as the northern part of Donetsk and the southern part of Luhansk regions of Ukraine, and the attached part of Rostov region of Russia.^[15] The historical coal mining region excluded parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, and included areas in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast and Southern Russia.^[9] A Euroregion of the same name is composed of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in Ukraine and Rostov Oblast in Russia.^[16]

Well spotted

[helge]

quoting some Sputnik?

Bloomberg ?

You'd never know

[helge]

Would this be a first in world history, where the population of a "defeated" country, would get a vote on whether to accept said defeat...or not ?

I can't recall any

[bsnub]

I looked up Donbas on WIKI

how many bottle Helge? some shit must be going on because you are getting increasingly erratic toward the year end

It has been awhile since he has had one of his epic meltdowns.

[helge]

Originally Posted by helge
I looked up Donbas on WIKI

Stupid me

I could have asked you