Ukraine war mega thread

[Takeovers]

Or is it OK to ask the jews to fuck off ?

The ethnic Russians are a danger to their host countries. They mostly support the Russian aggression, they practically invite it to their host country.. I am not very surprised that you can't acknowledge that difference.

[helge]

The ethnic Russians are a danger to their host countries. They mostly support the Russian aggression, they practically invite it to their host country.. I am not very surprised that you can't acknowledge that difference.

Better report that back to your genocide buddy Netanyahu

And maybe Biden

The 3 mill russkis who live there might want Alaska back.


Your typically german, "man, have we been humiliated the last 70 years", revanchism is showing.

[bsnub]

The ethnic Russians are a danger to their host countries. They mostly support the Russian aggression, they practically invite it to their host country..

Of course, they are, and it is a long-standing tactic employed by the ruzzian scum to migrate across their borders in an attempt to take over their neighbors. Once the hostile population becomes entrenched, that is then used by the ruzzian government as an excuse to invade. It has happened time and time again.

I am not very surprised that you can't acknowledge that difference.

Helga is a marxist idiot with pootins cock in his mouth.

[Norton]

Of course, they are, and it is a long-standing tactic employed by the ruzzian scum to migrate across their borders in an attempt to take over their neighbors

There is that and Russian speaking folks who have lived in Ukraine for generations. Using the results of a referendom conducted after military occupation to justify an invasion, such as was done in Crimea and Donbas, is obviously a joke.

[bsnub]

Russian speaking folks who have lived in Ukraine for generations.

and want nothing to do with ruzzia or its army.

[Norton]

and want nothing to do with ruzzia or its army.

Yep..

[cyrille]

This story is a bit old, but worth reading imo.

And yes, it's been over 100 years since a lot of people in Ukraine actually communicated in Russian.

Putin says it's because of oppression but, well, he is a nutter.

http://https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/russian-speaking-ukrainians-want-to-shed-language-of-the-oppressor

[helge]

And yes, it's been over 100 years since a lot of people in Ukraine actually communicated in Russian.

From your link

The trend is born out statistically by recent research conducted by Volodymyr Kulyk, head research fellow at the Institute of Political and Ethnic Studies at Ukraine’s National Academy of Sciences.

According to detailed surveys conducted in 2012, 2017 and 2022, there has been what he described as “a really drastic increase” of the use of Ukrainian in the previously largely Russian-speaking south and east of the country.

The west, and to a lesser extent the centre of Ukraine, were already largely Ukrainian-speaking.

But in 2012, only about 10% of those in the south and east spoke Ukrainian as their language of convenience.

By summer 2022, that had risen to more than 70%, he said, when recently at the Ukrainian Institute in London.

“The act of choosing is linguistically significant but also politically significant,” he said. “Before the 2022 invasion, most people in the east and south of Ukraine preferred Russian and saw no problem in being seen as people preferring Russian.

Now they are understanding it is the wrong thing to do, and they don’t want to be speaking Russian to a stranger.”

He also noted that in 2012, more than 25% of those in the south and east of Ukraine regarded Russian as their “native” language. But now that figure is down to 6%.

It was a case, he said, of “language as resistance – they are using language to resist aggression and the imperialism that they think underlies that”.

[helge]

Russian speaking folks who have lived in Ukraine for generations.

More or less as many as ukrainian speaking

Russian language in Ukraine - Wikipedia

From link:

Ukrainization in modern Ukraine[edit]

Main article: Ukrainization
See also: Language policy in Ukraine, Law of Ukraine "On protecting the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the state language", Russian book ban in Ukraine, and Derussification in Ukraine
Since the Euromaidan of 2013–2014, the Ukrainian government has issued several laws aimed at encouraging Ukrainization in the media, in education and in other spheres.
In February 2017, the Ukrainian government banned the commercial importation of books from Russia, which had accounted for up to 60% of all titles sold in Ukraine.^[23]
On May 23, 2017, the Ukrainian parliament approved the law that most broadcast content should be in Ukrainian (75% of national carriers and 50% of local carriers).
The 2017 law on education provides that Ukrainian language is the language of education at all levels except for one or more subjects that are allowed to be taught in two or more languages, namely English or one of the other official languages of the European Union (i.e. excluding Russian).^[24] The law does state that persons belonging to the indigenous peoples of Ukraine are guaranteed the right to study at public pre-school institutes and primary schools in "the language of instruction of the respective indigenous people, along with the state language of instruction" in separate classes or groups.^{[24][relevant?]} The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has expressed concern with this measure and with the lack of "real consultation" with the representatives of national minorities.^[25] In July 2018, The MykolaivOkrug Administrative Court liquidated the status of Russian as a regional language, on the suit (bringing to the norms of the national legislation due to the recognition of the law "On the principles of the state language policy" by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine as unconstitutional) of the First Deputy Prosecutor of the Mykolaiv Oblast.^[26] In October and December 2018, parliaments of the city of Kherson and of Kharkiv Oblast also abolished the status of the Russian language as a regional one.^[27]
The 2019 language law made Ukrainian mandatory in a number of spheres of public life.
In 2021 Dnipropetrovsk District Administrative Court [uk] cancelled the regional language status of Russian in the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.^[28]
In January 2022, a law requiring all print media to be published in Ukrainian came into force. It did not ban publication in Russian; however, it stipulated that a Ukrainian version of equivalent circulation and scope must be published – which is not a profitable option for publishers. Critics argue that the law could disenfranchise the country's Russian-speakers.^[29]
Since February 2022, the beginning of Russian invasion, the everyday usage of Russian language in Ukraine is notably decreased from 33% in 2021 to 23% in 2022.^[30]

Hard times for russian speakers

I call it hardcore nationalism

Hardly surprising coming from a fascist regime

Using the results of a referendom conducted after military occupation to justify an invasion, such as was done in Crimea and Donbas, is obviously a joke.

Can't say that I disagree that much, however...Crimea:2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Worth a read for open minds

[Norton]

Finland has a 1,340 km border with Russia so have a fair amount of Russian speakers. If you hear there is a large Russian military along that very long border, book a flight to Thailand helge.

[helge]

Finland has a 1,340 km border with Russia so have a fair amount of Russian speakers.

Your sense of logic amazes me or do define a "fair amount".

Germany has for the foreseeable future not a lot of border with Russia but have russian speakers in the millions.

If you hear there is a large Russian military along that very long border, book a flight to Thailand helge.

They don't have a "large Russian millitary" to put there, even now with the Nato drills going on in Finland

[Norton]

Your sense of logic amazes me or do define a "fair amount".

3% of Finlands population as a guess.

[helge]

3% of Finlands population as a guess.

Way way way too much
(if you mean Russians, ethnic Russian)

I really don't know how many Finns/Finlanders learned russian in school or how many of the estonians living in Finland speaks russian.

But not the point

Not many russians in Finland; 20000 or there abouts

[bsnub]

Hard times for russian speakers

Not as hard as being occupied by Orcs.

Hardly surprising coming from a fascist regime

You fucking moron. You just insist on pushing ruzzia propaganda horseshit. Imbecile.

[helge]

CCCP

[bsnub]

Like I said, you are a fucking imbecile. You apparently have no idea that the CCCP was referenced and used by the USSR for decades. Your idiocy has no bounds.

[cyrille]

the CCCP

I really didn't get your point there either, helge.

[helge]

I really didn't get your point there either, helge.

You should

Like I said, you are a fucking imbecile. You apparently have no idea that the CCCP was referenced and used by the USSR for decades. Your idiocy has no bounds.

Look; he has gone Cyrrillic:

Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик, CCCP,

He has no idea what he is talking about...... as ever

[Bonecollector]

Finland has a 1,340 km border with Russia so have a fair amount of Russian speakers. If you hear there is a large Russian military along that very long border, book a flight to Thailand helge.

and didn't they give up that whole forested area as part of the peace agreement when the Finnish totally embarrassed the red army. I have a lot of Finnish friends and they always say that their grand parents could never understand the inhumane actions of the red army and how they used to just throw hundreds of men at machine gun positions. The Finns would then just pack up and ski away.

[helge]

that their grand parents could never understand the inhumane actions of the red army and how they used to just throw hundreds of men at machine gun positions.

Pick your own number; they are all horrific

The official Soviet figure, with reference to the command of the Leningrad Military District, was published at a session of the Supreme Soviet on 26 March 1940, with 48,475 dead and 158,863 sick and wounded.^[18] More recent Russian estimates vary: in 1990, Mikhail Semiryaga claimed 53,522 dead, and N. I. Baryshnikov, 53,500. In 1997, Grigoriy Krivosheyev claimed 126,875 dead and missing and total casualties of 391,783, with 188,671 wounded.^[15] In 1991, Yuri Kilin claimed 63,990 dead and total casualties of 271,528. In 2007, he revised the estimate of dead to 134,000^[16] and in 2012, he updated the estimate to 138,533.^[255] In 2013, Pavel Petrov stated that the Russian State Military Archive has a database confirming 167,976 killed or missing along with the soldiers' names, dates of birth and ranks.^[17]

Nations with large populations seem to care less, than you and me, about sacrifying human life.

The Soviets won the attrition

the inhumane actions of the red army and how they used to just throw hundreds of men at machine gun positions

Ever asked your grand-or great grandfather about what they thought about "going over the top" at Marne, Somme,Aisne,Lys,Ypres,etc etc

All senseless offensives that killed way more young men, than the Finns could ever dream of....mostly in a matter of days.

Just saying, BC

No wonder that the Workers Movements worldwide agreed on that this should never happen again.

Yeah well.

The Devil feeds on good intentions.

[david44]

Finland has a 1,340 km border with Russia so have a fair amount of Russian speakers. If you hear there is a large Russian military along that very long border, book a flight to Thailand helge.

You are seldom wrong but as someone with a former Estonian partner and having worked in Finland you are wrong.

Due to 'Finlandisation' during the cold war Finns/Suomi many of whom knew Swedish Saksa/German or English learned Russian at scool.

There are indeed 2 language minorities the Lapps in the north and Swedish speakers around Turku opp Stockholm in far SW .

Due to a quirk of history the Swedish sppeakers of th Aland isles half wat between the two voted to join Finland a republiv where womwm always had the vote.
There was a tny community near Nokia and no doubt a few draft dodgers, I met more Irish,Iraqis and Greeks than russians there 2 decades ago, lovely strong fun loving drinkrrs but shocking cold dark winters!!

I contrast many Finnish towns and city of Vipurrii wre stolen by red army post WW2, all farly reported here, Stalin hated the Finns who humiliated him in the Winter War,

The Winter War (1939-40) and the Continuation War (1941-44) were both followed by the loss of large parts of Karelia to the Soviet Union in 1940 and 1944. The areas of Finnish Karelia ceded to the Soviet Union after the Second World War. Over 400 000 Karelians moved away from this occupied territory.

The Western allies were muted as wished no confrontation/confidence with the commies, patton was right and the west missed a 2 year window to liberate E Europe and the Russian people from Stalin, had they won Mao could have failed and saved generations from the wasted communist experiment that vkilled murdered , starved millions.

[Bonecollector]

Indeed, totally senseless, especially the treatment of soldiers in the Great War.

My grandmothers father and my grandfathers father were both injured on the same fucking day in Gallipoli. Luckily both survived and some decades later their son and daughter were married after my grandfather had survived the war, a POW camp for 2years in Poland and then the long march. I really shouldn't be here.

[helge]

and then the long march

Tell more about that one

Camps "evacuated" and marched westward ?

[helge]

The Western allies were muted as wished no confrontation/confidence with the commies

Wrong

[david44]

Wrong

If you say so but Viborg still occupied