Ukraine war mega thread

[hallelujah]

Venezuelans, .

Have you spoken to many Venezuelans, Sabs, and seen their desperation? Heard their views on their government and the state of the country?

I have - both rich and poor; the poor begging on the streets of Colombia because that is preferable to a life at home under Maduro.

[bsnub]

Most of snubby's news reports come from Ukrainians, many of them in Ukraine on the battlefield.

That is indeed the case. Sabang on the other hand tends to talk out of his backside.

Have you spoken to many Venezuelans, Sabs, and seen their desperation? Heard their views on their government and the state of the country?

I have - both rich and poor; the poor begging on the streets of Colombia because that is preferable to a life at home under Maduro.

Game. Set. Match. Another classic example of when Sabang gets caught with a foot in his mouth.

[sabang]

The Presidency, Upper and Lower House in Venezuela are all elected, and all safely held by the Chavista's currently. The people have spoken, repeatedly.
We can certainly lobby others as to how we think they should vote (except Russia apparently) but we certainly can not dictate it.

[bsnub]

The people have spoken, repeatedly.

Have you spoken to many Venezuelans, Sabs, and seen their desperation? Heard their views on their government and the state of the country?

He asked you a question, dipshit. Yes or no?

You really truly are a cretin through and through.

[Norton]

Joe open to talks, Vlad open to talks. Let's see.

[bsnub]

Joe open to talks, Vlad open to talks. Let's see.

Meh. I do not think that Putin will be receptive to the offer that Biden is going to table.

[harrybarracuda]

The Presidency, Upper and Lower House in Venezuela are all elected, and all safely held by the Chavista's currently. The people have spoken, repeatedly.
We can certainly lobby others as to how we think they should vote (except Russia apparently) but we certainly can not dictate it.

Yes, and Mr. Shithole was "elected" and Putin the war criminal was "elected".

Your favourite kind of elections: rigged ones.

[bsnub]

Your favourite kind of elections: rigged ones.

Indeed. Just like his polls. What a pathetic clown.

[Iceman123]

Let’s just take stock for a moment.

Around 100,000 Ukrainians have lost their lives in this conflict.

Millions of their citizens have had to leave the country.

Their cities and infrastructure are being flattened on a daily basis.

Basic sanitation and electricity are unavailable for up to 50% of the population

Let’s now reflect on Russia and accept that other than a probable similar loss of life outside their borders it is life as usual.

How on earth can we extrapolate that the Ukrainians “are winning”

The Ukrainians will run out of fighting men long before Russia, basic population count.

The brave keyboard warrior General bunkered down on the front line in Seattle, screams for more war, but is basically an uneducated oaf absolutely clueless, who would be kicked out of any serious debate.

This fallacy that the US will stick by Ukraine is a lovely fantasy, I think the Afghans and the South Vietnamese fell for that old chestnut as well.

The war will end by negotiation, Russia has to be allowed to have their position and points of view considered as well.

[harrybarracuda]

The war will end by negotiation, Russia has to be allowed to have their position and points of view considered as well.

No doubt you will then "believe it is peace in our time".

Remember Santayana's famous quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

Or perhaps something from the Finnish PM a few hours ago:

“Make no mistake, if Russia wins its terrible gamble, it will not be the only one to feel empowered... Others will also be tempted by the same dark agenda".

Russia must not be rewarded for its invasion. That would be catastrophically stupid.

[Takeovers]

Russia has to be allowed to have their position and points of view considered as well.

Why? No!

[Iceman123]

I understand where you are coming from, however have you considered the fact that Ukraine is not going to win.

Do you really expect Putin to withdraw and accept defeat? That may be what people wish but it is never going to happen.

The world’s second largest powerful nation will not surrender to Ukraine.

Russia are unfortunately going to walk away from this conflict with something, the quicker it is negotiated the better.

[Switch]

No doubt you will then "believe it is peace in our time".

Remember Santayana's famous quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

Or perhaps something from the Finnish PM a few hours ago:



Russia must not be rewarded for its invasion. That would be catastrophically stupid.

In principle, yes. But I also agree with Iceman. A compromise must be reached eventually.

Allow Russia a buffer one in the east, by all means, but exclude the Crimea and the Black Sea ports as compensation for that. Some serious diplomacy and negotiations required to achieve that much.

In the end, the only really important issue is that Putin must be neutered, and excluded from any government influence. Killed or dismissed without reward of any kind is the only acceptable solution for him!

[Takeovers]

Do you really expect Putin to withdraw and accept defeat?

No, he needs to be driven out by force.

[sabang]

Not only is Ukraine losing the war, but the boneheads are losing the debate. Lets see how long that takes to sink in with the Neo-con boneheads- because the rest of the world, including Europe, already knows.

[sabang]

Nato is running out of military resources. I can not measure either their resolve, or idiocy.

[hallelujah]

I can not measure either their idiocy.

I think quite a few people have measured yours since this war started.

[harrybarracuda]

Nato is running out of military resources. I can not measure either their resolve, or idiocy.

Don't recall any NATO country having to conscript anyone.

What's it like being as thick as shit? Do you actually realise it?

[harrybarracuda]

I understand where you are coming from, however have you considered the fact that Ukraine is not going to win.

Do you really expect Putin to withdraw and accept defeat? That may be what people wish but it is never going to happen.

The world’s second largest powerful nation will not surrender to Ukraine.

Russia are unfortunately going to walk away from this conflict with something, the quicker it is negotiated the better.

I think you are underestimating the effect it's having on Russia.

Did you not read about how they are having to conscript civilians and throw them up the front to try and fight - which they obviously aren't very good at?
And how they are running out of missiles, because they can't import the technology they need to build them?

As for "The world’s second largest powerful nation", seriously, have you been completely pissed out of your gourd for the last ten years and just sobered up?

[sabang]

Considering US/Nato forces could not even subdue Iraq, or Afghanistan (or Vietnam, or Korea) I fail to see why a debate on whether Russia is the 2/3/4th most powerful military in the world has any significance at all. Best advice is to stay at home, and not embarrass yerself.

[harrybarracuda]

Considering US/Nato forces could not even subdue Iraq, or Afghanistan (or Vietnam, or Korea) I fail to see why a debate on whether Russia is the 2/3/4th most powerful military in the world has any significance at all. Best advice is to stay at home, and not embarrass yerself.

More feeble whataboutisms.

It's good that you came rushing to your chum's defence though, even if neither of you have a clue.

[harrybarracuda]

Let's also remember this is not "Russia's war", it's Putin's war.

Most Russians probably know by now that he's led them into an abyss, and the reason he isn't out in public much is that he's probably looking over his shoulder at every turn.

Stick a fork in him, he's done and most governments can't wait to see the back of him.

[sabang]

Considering that 'we don't have a clue' where ya gonna invade next 'arry, and actually win. Antigua? (Grenadas been done). Kiribati? I'm sure you and snubski will be cheering our brave soldiers on, from the rear. As will MSM.

^ Bit like Assad then?

[Iceman123]

As for "The world’s second largest powerful nation", seriously, have you been completely pissed out of your gourd for the last ten years and just sobered up?

I think you are forgetting that Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on earth. If that does not alarm you, then you are seriously deluded.

Remember, neither side has declared war. If this were to happen all bets are off.

[bsnub]

however have you considered the fact that Ukraine is not going to win.

You are going to eat those words.

Not only is Ukraine losing the war, but the boneheads are losing the debate.

The clown car is out in force.

No, he needs to be driven out by force.

It is inevitable, aside from what the sniveling apologists say.

Russia must not be rewarded for its invasion. That would be catastrophically stupid.

Spot on.