Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Thanks for the detailed reply Harry. Now fwiw I am no Putin supporter however I can differentiate between what I would like to happen and what is more likely to happen.

Try it sometime. It will be a first for you.

You fall for the same cretinous false equivalences as the wanketeers.

And I know what is likely to happen but I also know what I would prefer to happen. The main issue is timing.

[OhOh]

Face it, you don't really want peace.

The Russian door for negotiation with the Ukraine puppet, appointed "leader" has been open since December 2021 and remains so, to this day. They do have previous experience of agreed actions failing to delivered by him and the 16%.

the genocidal terror attacks as war crimes perpetrated by ....

the 16%.

"Shock and Awe", 16% SOP, IIRC.

mass murdering war criminal is invading and bombarding a sovereign country.

The 16% and their vassal, the white powder boy, have a lot to answer for.

Do people think Ukraine will push the Russkies back

Ask the various spokesmen :

The NaGaStan military, who praised the Russian tactical withdrawal.

The new Ukraine city leader, in the "liberated cities", who is forcing the cities populations to flee to the EU.

The slaughtered Russian speakers, in the, "liberated cities", being tarred and feathered.

The NATO border control authorities deciding if to allow the Ukrainians into their countries.

The EU/UK citizens who are now refusing to home the Ukraine population into their homes.

[harrybarracuda]

Anyone know what hoohoo's wittering on about now?

[baldrick]

He thinks Ukraine should negotiate with the terrorists

[harrybarracuda]

He thinks Ukraine should negotiate with the terrorists

So just more bollocks then.

[sabang]

Bye, bye Kiev, hello Cote D’Azur: As Westerners send aid, here’s how Ukraine’s corrupt elites are profiting from the conflict


For years, and particularly since the beginning of Russia’s military offensive in Ukraine, the United States, the European Union – and their allies – have provided Kiev with $126 billion worth of aid, a number almost equal to the country’s entire GDP but Olga Sukharevskaya reports that officials and oligarchs have diverted much of the financial support sent to Kiev
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Since the beginning of Russia’s military offensive in Ukraine, the United States, the European Union – and their allies – have provided Kiev with $126 billion worth of aid, a number almost equal to the country’s entire GDP. Moreover, millions of Ukrainians have found refuge in the EU where they were given housing, food, work permits, and emotional support. The scope is huge, even by western standards. Considering that the bloc has been funding Kiev while coping with an economic and energy crisis of its own, the assistance is perhaps especially notable.

Kiev bases its endless funding requests on the collapse of its economy, due to the war, and its need to “resist Russian aggression.” But is the aid reaching its intended destination?

The Monaco Battalion

While Ukraine has undergone a general mobilization affecting all men under the age of 60, many former and current high-ranking officials, politicians, businessmen, and oligarchs have moved to safety abroad – mainly to the EU.

The mass flight of Ukrainian elites started even prior to the armed conflict. On February 14, 2022, 37 deputies from the Ukrainian president’s parliamentary faction “Servant of the People” suddenly went “missing.” Had MPs not been banned from leaving the country the very next day, others would’ve definitely joined them. Meanwhile, former officials and oligarchs enjoyed more freedom to move around. According to the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, 20 business jets took off from Kiev’s Boryspol airport on the 14th as well.

Tycoons were at the front of the line. Entrepreneur and MP Vadim Novinsky, businessmen Vasily Khmelnitsky and Vadim Stolar, Vadim Nesterenko, and Andrey Stavnitzer all left the country on charter flights. Millionaire politician Igor Abramovich booked a private flight to Austria for 50 people – taking relatives, business partners, and fellow party members aboard. Oligarchs flew from Kiev to Nice, Munich, Vienna, Cyprus, and other EU destinations. Another group of businessmen took off from Odessa on private planes. The owner of Vostok Bank departed for Israel, while the head of the Transship group flew to Limassol. An ex-governor of the Odessa region, Stalkanat’s Vladimir Nemirovsky, also left the country.

In the summer and early fall of 2022, ‘Ukrainska Pravda’ prepared several investigative documentaries about fit-for-service Ukrainian billionaires and officials spotted vacationing on the Côte d’Azur during the war. A movie with the ironic title “The Monaco Battalion” shows Ukrainian oligarchs resting at their villas, mansions, and on yachts. In the on Interpol’s wanted list, relaxing on his private yacht worth $70 million. The yacht graces the shoreline of the Côte d’Azur as Zhevago’s family disembarks. Kharkov entrepreneur Alexander Yaroslavsky, who promised to sell his yacht and transfer the funds towards the restoration of Kharkov, can be seen sailing alongside.


‘Ukrainska Pravda’ journalists also got a glimpse of the Surkis brothers in France, who’re currently renting apartments worth €2 million per year. Meanwhile, a $300,000 Bentley belonging to Ukrainian businessman Vadim Ermolaev was spotted near the casino in Monaco, and Eduard Kohan, the co-founder of Euroenergotrade, was seen at one of Monte Carlo’s chic hotels.

A whole colony of Ukrainian oligarchs has apparently taken up residence in the elite French commune of Cap-Ferrat. Land developer Vadim Solar, oligarchs Dmitry Firtash, Vitaly Khomutynnik, and Sergey Lovochkin are among those enjoying high life in the middle of the war. The Cap-Ferrat villa once belonging to King Leopold II of Belgium was bought by the richest Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov. His are Alexander Davtyan, President of the Investment Group DAD LLC, and Vladislav Gelzin, a former deputy of the Donetsk Regional Council.

As the creators of the film repeatedly emphasize, deputies and businessmen of “pro-Russian” parliamentary factions left the country during the war. Yet many active supporters of the current government also prefer to defend their homeland from abroad.

‘Ukrainska Pravda’ managed to also preferred foreign “trenches.”

Members of the Ukrainian parliament are in no hurry to adopt vitally important laws for the country during wartime. According to the Telegram channel “Volyn News,” as of March 11, 2022, more than 20 MPs had moved abroad for unspecified reasons. The geography is extensive: Great Britain, Poland, Qatar, Spain, France, Austria, Romania, Hungary, UAE, Moldova, Israel, etc. In March, the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine launched an investigation into the actions of six parliamentarians who have remained abroad.

Apparently, neither war nor punishment can put Ukrainian legislators to work. Only 99 deputies out of 450 attended the session of the Parliament on July 20. Presumably distracted by summer, the Côte d’Azur, the Maldives, and yachts… As for defending Ukraine itself – just leave it to the foreign volunteers, they say.


Where’s all the military and humanitarian aid going?

Some western benefactors have recently noticed that most of the military and humanitarian aid never reaches Ukraine’s army or ordinary citizens.

In an original documentary, CBS that about 70% of military aid failed to find its way to the intended beneficiaries and donor countries are often unable to control its intended use. According to the creators of the report, some of the weapons are sold on the black market. As US Marine Corps veteran Andy Milburn said, “I can tell you unarguably that on the frontline units these things are not getting there. Drones, Switchblades, IFAKs. They’re not, alright. Body armor, helmets, you name it.”

The Grayzone writes that weapons and humanitarian aid provided by the West to the Ukrainian military is being stolen along the way and never reaches the soldiers. At the same time, Ukrainian MPs recently gave themselves a 70% pay raise. The author of the piece argues that billions of dollars from the USA and the EU have been diverted.

A Ukrainian soldier named Ivan told journalists about western funds never reaching the front: “Imagine telling an American soldier that we are using our personal cars in the war, and we’re also responsible for paying for repairs and fuel. We’re buying our own body armor and helmets. We don’t have observation tools or cameras, so soldiers have to pop their heads out to see what’s coming, which means at any moment, a rocket or tank can tear their heads off.”

Samantha Morris, a medical doctor from the US, drew attention to the theft of medical supplies and the overall corruption: “The lead doctor at the military base in Sumy has ordered medical supplies from and for the military at different points in time, and he has had 15 trucks of supplies completely disappear,” she said. The doctors couldn’t even set up courses for medical assistants until a friend of the Sumy region governor interceded.

CNN talked to a retired US colonel who said that Ukrainian troops are short on supplies. Small arms, medical equipment, field hospitals and a lot more are under the control of private organizations – more concerned about stealing money than saving the lives of their compatriots.


As Stephen Myers, a former member of the US Department of State Advisory Committee on International Economic Policy, insisted, “There is little to prevent a field commander from diverting some of the equipment to buyers, aka the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians or whomever, while claiming the equipment and weapons were destroyed…”

Thousands of tons of humanitarian aid is being stolen. In September, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) proved that the head of the Office of the President, Andrei Yermak, his deputy Kirill Tymoshenko, the head of “The Servant of the People” faction David Arakhamiya and his friend Vemir Davityan were behind the large-scale theft of humanitarian aid in the Zaporozhye region. Zaporozhye officials Starukh, Nekrasova, Sherbina, and Kurtev only superficially carried out the task of distributing aid. In six months, they organized the theft of 22 sea containers, 389 railway cars, and 220 trucks. Humanitarian aid was sold in ATB and Selpo – supermarkets owned by Gennady Butkevich and Vladimir Kostelman, respectively. Of course, Tymoshenko, Nekrasova and Davityan all became “refugees” and found asylum in Vienna.

Admittedly, not everyone is on the run. Andrei Yarmolsky, the scandalous former deputy head of the Volyn regional administration – accused of stealing humanitarian aid, supplying defective bulletproof vests, and illegally moving men out of the country – was promoted. He now works for the National Security and Defense Council.
Medical supplies are also being stolen. The Telegraph reportsthat “some of the donated supplies later made their way onto the hospitals’ pharmacy shelves: priced, and listed for sale”. Health workers appropriate medicine, bandages, and medical equipment, and resell them to patients for whom they were intended to be free, the article says.

A similar story was told by the aforementioned doctor Dr Morris: “I got a call from a nurse at a military hospital in Dnipro. She said the president of the hospital had stolen all the pain medications to resell them, and that the wounded soldiers being treated there had no pain relief. She begged us to hand-deliver pain medications to her. She said she would hide them from the hospital president so that they’d reach the soldiers. But who can you trust? Was the hospital president really stealing the medications, or was she trying to con us into giving her pain medications for her to sell or use? Who knows. Everyone is lying.”

War for some, Gucci for others

Enormous cash flows from Western countries are continuously used by corrupt Ukrainian officials for personal enrichment and to acquire luxury goods.
In a recently busted corruption scheme, Odessa customs smuggled shirts, backpacks, sports shoes, belts, and other luxury items by Givenchy, Gucci, Polo, Dolce & Gabbana, Michael Kors, Chanel, Louis Vuitton, and Armani under the guise of army equipment. The documents, declaring the cargo as “for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” were signed by the acting head of the Odessa customs Vitaly Zakolodyazhny. According to MP Alexander Dubinsky, this is a common theft scheme. “The work of the customs is unsatisfactory because while some are fighting at the front, others are making money under the guise of their customs uniforms,” the parliamentarian said.


To take another example, in May 2022, Western countries abolished customs duties for Ukraine. Within a week, over 14,000 passenger cars were imported into the country. As the Deputy Minister of Infrastructure Mustafa Nayem commented, “Considering we’re a country at war, our partners in Poland, Slovakia, and Romania were quite surprised by this fast-paced upgrade to our vehicle fleet.”

As they go about acquiring luxurious clothes and cars, the thieves are also taking care to withdraw capital from Ukraine.

According to the Bureau of Economic Security of Ukraine, Ukraine’s budget is missing UAH 4.5 billion worth of taxes from agrotraders: “In August-September 2022, almost 12 million tons of grain crops and oil estimated at UAH 137 billion were exported through the customs territory of Ukraine. Of these, almost 4 million tons were exported by fake companies existing only on paper.” Moreover, “most of the non-resident companies to which grain is exported are high-risk and involved in criminal investigations.” Is this the “grain deal” that the global community is actively cheering? It looks like Ukrainian fraudsters are corrupting not just their own country, but foreign states as well. And this is just one example out of many.

When the Surkis brothers left Ukraine, they took $17 million with them. But that’s just a trifle compared to the “heroes of the Euromaidan.” According to former People’s Deputy of Ukraine Oleg Tsarev, after the outbreak of hostilities leading Ukrainian politicians sent both their capital and their families abroad.

He mentions that the parents and relatives of President Vladimir Zelensky and his wife all left the country. Zelensky’s predecessor, former president Petr Poroshenko, moved not just his children but also about a billion US dollars in cash to the UK.

The same applies to other major Ukrainian officials: former Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, the head of the Office of the President Andriy Yermak, the second President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, the former Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk and many others all took their families and fortunes, estimated at around a billion dollars, out of the country. And that’s not to mention the numerous politically-affiliated oligarchs.

Scammers of smaller stature can “individually join the EU” as well. A system of bribery allows military-age males to leave the country. According to Izvestia, the fee is currently between $8,000 and $10,000. The Ukrainian media also actively reports on people paying to cross the border.
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The sympathy of Westerners towards a country at war is understandable. But while some countries are doing their upmost to aid Ukraine – even while facing an economic crisis themselves – corrupt Ukrainian officials are using the funding to amass personal fortunes and live the high life at fancy resorts. And all at the expense of taxpayers in the West.

In 2015, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, upon leaving the post of the Prime Minister of Ukraine, openly declared that he had become a billionaire. It is yet to be seen how many new Ukrainian super rich tycoons – nurtured by foreign military aid – will appear in the West by the end of the conflict.
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Olga Sukharevskaya is a former Ukrainian diplomat

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https://newcoldwar.org/bye-bye-kiev-...-the-conflict/


Their sacrifice is commendable.

[bsnub]

For clowns like you Snubby that think Ukraine is winning, you are simply manifesting how stupid you really are.

Soon I will be shoving those words down your throat.

Russia has change tactics, not fair you may scream, whilst others will say all is fair in love and war.

You really are an ignorant fool. The attacks on civilians are a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.

Our armchair general in Seattle prior to February could not have pointed out Ukraine on a world map.

Once again, you Johnny come lately have no idea what you are talking about. I have been posting about this since before 2014.

These dumb Putin cheerleaders all spout the same shit don't they.

He is a clueless twat if there ever was one. Just another useful idiot.

[Hugh Cow]

These dumb Putin cheerleaders all spout the same shit don't they.

Thanks for the detailed reply Harry. Now fwiw I am no Putin supporter however I can differentiate between what I would like to happen and what is more likely to happen.

Try it sometime. It will be a first for you.

Unfortunately I cannot see a scenario where The Russians are force back to Russia from all of the occupied territories and Crimea. There will have to be a settlement sooner or later although I fervently hope I'm wrong.
There is no doubt a second agenda to permanently weaken Russia militarily, financially and politically until it eventually alligns with the west. I think in the long term this is inevitable. The now redundant theory that trade will eventually lead to democracy is now discredited as proven by both Russia and China. In other words the carrot didn't work, which leaves only the stick.
Chinese containment, in that it cannot become a greater threat than it already is, will be to isolate it from any major power and this will be achieved once there is a democratic pro western government in Russia. The western democracies lead by the USA are slowly proselytising their form of governance around the world with the enthusiasm of a born again christian that has been ordained a southern baptist minister.
Some like Sabang and ohoh rail against this but they fail to understand resistence is useless. All will be assimilated. IMHO Democracy will steadily evolve as it already has from the ultra capitalist American model to a more superior socialist European type model and beyond.

[bsnub]

bye, bye Kiev, hello Cote D’Azur: As Westerners send aid, here’s how Ukraine’s corrupt elites are profiting from the conflict

A good thing.

On February 24, 2022, the Russian invasion of Ukraine profoundly changed the political regime and social order in the country. However, the commitment of President Zelensky’s administration to deoligarchization not only survived the start of the large-scale war, it increased—in part because of wartime policies.

By May 2022, the Ukrainian government had adapted to the war situation and endorsed a multidimensional approach, simultaneously pursuing deoligarchization and anticorruption policies while mounting an all-out rebuttal to the Russian invasion. Deoligarchization and a continuation of anticorruption efforts were critical for preserving the trust of Ukraine’s Western allies, which were providing Ukraine with increased military, political, and financial support.

The Zelensky administration also started preparing the country for the possibility of a long war, and for the future reconstruction of Ukraine. The fight against the oligarchs and corruption is central to both efforts. And the martial law situation has provided the president and his team with more opportunities to crack down on the oligarchy.

Declining Asset Values and the Anti-Oligarch Law Have Hit Billionaires

In August, I wrote about how the administration’s struggle with the oligarchy had forced Rinat Akhmetov to exit his media business and Vadym Novynsky to relinquish his MP mandate; how the pursuit of deoligarchization had resulted in rolling the investigations of ex-president Petro Poroshenko and pro-Russia oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk into one criminal investigation; and how the war was making an impact on the Ukrainian oligarchy by physically destroying the oligarch-owned industrial complexes. I also reported on the speed with which the oligarchs’ net value fell.

Using Forbes magazine data on the real-time value of billionaires’ assets and data from Forbes Ukraine magazine on the market values of Ukrainian oligarchs’ holdings before the war (both expert teams used the same methods for data collection), it is possible to compare the change in the value of their assets. Based on these data, the wealth of the following individuals dropped considerably from January 15 to November 14, 2022, and continues to fall daily:

· Rinat Akhmetov: from $13.7 billion to $4.3 billion;
· Victor Pinchuk: from $2.6 billion to $2 billion;
· Vadym Novinsky: from $3.5 billion to $1.3 billion;
· Genadiy Boholyubov: from $2 billion to $1.1 billion;
· Ihor Kolomoisky: from $1.8 billion to less than $1 billion;
· Petro Poroshenko: from $1.6 billion to $0.7 billion.

The Zelensky administration has also moved forward with implementing the Anti-Oligarch Law, which envisages the creation of an oligarchs’ registry. Last week the Security Council’s secretary Oleksiy Danylov said that the registry is under construction while his team investigates the legal grounds for declaring eighty-six citizens oligarchs. In October 2022 the Security Council announced a tender for the creation of the registry’s software. Moving ahead with plans for the registry has already had a noticeable impact on the oligarchs’ activities, though the registry itself does not yet exist.

The Zelensky administration has also continued stripping some of the oligarchs of Ukrainian citizenship. So far the best known of those who have lost citizenship are Ihor Kolomoisky, Hennadiy Korban, and Vadim Rabinovich. Rescinding the citizenship of these prominent figures has added to the general pressure on all oligarchs.

The Oligarchs Lose Shares in Industries Critical to the War Effort

The next critical step in deoligarchization was taken on November 6, 2022, when the National Commission for Securities and the Stock Market implemented the decision of the headquarters of the supreme commander-in-chief to seize the shares of major industrial companies owned by the oligarchs. This was done, in part, because of the importance of these companies to the war effort and in accordance with the Law of Ukraine “On the transfer, forced alienation or seizure of property under the conditions of the legal regime of war or state of emergency,” which calls for “forcefully alienat[ing] into state property” the shares of strategically important enterprises. The takeover affected, among others, five big oligarch-owned industrial companies:

· Ukrnafta (42% of shares belonged to Kolomoisky);
· Ukrtatnafta (60% of shares belonged to Kolomoisky and Henadiy Bogolyubov);
· Motor Sich (56% of the shares were almost sold to Chinese investors by Vyacheslav Bohuslaev, but the deal was stopped by the Antimonopoly Committee, and Bohuslaev himself is under arrest);
· AvtoKrAZ (owned by Kostyantyn Zhevago); and
· Zaporozhtransformator (owned by Konstantin Hrygoryshyn).

The confiscated shares now are considered military property and are managed by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. At the end of martial law, in accordance with the law, either these shares will be returned to the owners or the owners will be reimbursed their value.

All the above-mentioned steps of the Zelensky administration show that deoligarchization not only is back on track during the war, it is now a much more radical process, changing the established political economy in Ukraine. The ongoing war and imposition of martial law have provided the government with the opportunity to destroy the existing oligarchic clans.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-po...rein-oligarchs

[sabang]

resistence is useless. All will be assimilated

You sound like the Borg.

[bsnub]

Russia will be fighting two enemies this winter. Ukraine will be much better equipped to operate in the winter than the Russians. That and the fact that they regularly rotate their forces off the front. Something Russia is largely unable to do. Soon the ground will freeze over and Ukraine will be kicking off its winter offensive. It is going to be ugly for Russia, to say the least.

Reasons the winter months will kill 100,000 russian soldiers:

1) lack of winter clothing for russian troops = death by hypothermia
2) garbage russian logistics = lack of warm food, tea, heating materiel, sleeping bags = death by hypothermia
3) no shelters and dugouts forrussian troops to hide from the elements = death by hypothermia
4) ground is frozen = you can't dig shelters anymore = russian troops have to sleep on the ground = death by hypothermia
5) russian troops can't make any fire. Fire = smoke, which attracts drones and artillery
6) frozen ground = artillery becomes more effective. In summer projectiles bury into the ground before detonating... now the ground is frozen solid = more shrapnel
7) frozen ground = can't dig a foxhole = death by artillery putin knows it and is desperate to pause the war until spring.

This is why all his lickspittles demanded Ukraine negotiate with russia to pause the war. No negotiations! No operational pause! Winter will help Ukraine liberate large swaths of land. Send winter clothes, artillery ammo and night vision, to help beat the orcs.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1596260785545973760

[Iceman123]

^
Wow, that’s really revealing info, hot off the press. Did you get that classified information from your pre-school sources?

[bsnub]

Wow, that’s really revealing info, hot off the press.

The closest you ever got to serving in the military was when you got your ass kicked by a soldier.

You have no idea what it is like to be out in the cold in the middle of winter. It is utterly miserable. I know I was stationed in Germany, and we were out in that in January every year I was in country, but we had field kitchens for hot food, warm winter boots, and gear to include arctic sleeping bags. Even doing a week in the field in Germany with all of those things was miserable.

You really have no clue what you are talking about and have been proving it over and over for months now.

Can you disprove any of those bullet points? I would be very careful because they were made by a veteran and a respected military analyst.

Did you get that classified information from your pre-school sources?

Stop making an utter fool of yourself.

[Iceman123]

You have no idea what it is like to be out in the cold in the middle of winter. It is utterly miserable. I know I was stationed in Germany, and we were out in that in January every year.

Yep, no idea what that cold could possibly be like, having only lived in Scotland for 40 years.

Now tell us all again about your military escapades, pissing in your hands to keep them warm does not really cut it.

[bsnub]

Yep, no idea what that cold could possibly be like, having only lived in Scotland for 40 years.

Clueless.

Now tell us all again about your military escapades, pissing in your hands to keep them warm does not really cut it.

When are you going to realize that you are making an utter fool of yourself here?

[Shutree]

those bullet points

Cute.
The weather is the same for both sides, the kit is not the same. Not much you can do when your fingers are frozen.

[NamPikToot]

was announced a couple of weeks ago

UK to send heated tents and cold weather gear to Ukraine ahead of perilous winter

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says he is "pleased that UK-donated kit will be keeping the Ukrainian armed forces warm and safe as they face a perilous winter fighting for their country".

The UK is sending heated tents and extreme cold weather sleeping kits to Ukraine to help the country's armed forces cope with plummeting temperatures there.

A further 12,000 kits are being provided to the country's armed forces, along with 150 of the tents.

The kits contain a cold weather sleeping bag, bivvy bag and roll mat.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said the items were being made available in addition to "lethal aid".

The UK is also on course to deliver 25,000 sets of extreme cold weather clothing by mid-December, Downing Street said.

They include an insulated jacket, trousers and extra-warm boots, gloves and socks.

They are on top of more than 7,000 sets of normal cold weather kit distributed to recruits on Operation Interflex, Number 10 added.

Operation Interflex is the name given to the training of Ukrainian troops pioneered by the UK.

Mr Wallace said the equipment would help the Ukrainians to "operate effectively through the next few months".

He added: "Alongside our training programme and the provision of lethal aid, it demonstrates our commitment to making sure that the basic Ukrainian soldier is well trained, well equipped and given the best possible chance to fight and determine their own future."

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-send-heated-tents-and-cold-weather-gear-to-ukraine-ahead-of-perilous-winter-12741861

[Shutree]

UK to send heated tents and cold weather gear to Ukraine ahead of perilous winter

Good. Seriously useful.

[helge]

You have no idea what it is like to be out in the cold in the middle of winter.

How would you know that ?

It is utterly miserable

Speaking for us nortern europeans: We kinda know.

I know I was stationed in Germany, and we were out in that in January every year I was in country

I know more than you then cause I was stationed a place, where it went down to -53 celcious at the lowest.

Does that make my point more valid than yours ?
If you ask nicely, I'll tell you about it, cause I reckon you can't imagine it.



Pussycat !

You really have no clue what you are talking about and have been proving it over and over for months now.

Yeah well

[sabang]

Worse things happen at sea.

[helge]

Oh yes

But if you want to build up your own credibility, one week drills on the Luneburger Heide, fucking close to the old DDR border, sounds good.

In some Seattle gay bar, that is, but not on TD

[bsnub]

Jeezus you bozos are running on empty with those failed comebacks. Utterly pathetic, laughable clown show you two are.

But if you want to build up your own credibility, one week drills on the Luneburger Heide

Far north from where I was stationed on the Rhein.

[helge]

No, Bsnub

I can respect your points of view, but try to keep it real and refrain from flexing yourself.

[Iceman123]

Yes, yet again Snubby being exposed as an arsehole.

Are the Russkies still looking for those ball bearings? FFS don’t let on that the Chinese have some spare.

Probably better you stick to milking your boyfriend Snubby.

[bsnub]

Yes, yet again Snubby being exposed as an arsehole.

We are still waiting for you to scratch the few brain cells you have in your head and contribute anything of value at all to this thread. You mouth breathing knuckle dragging retard.