Ukraine war mega thread

[panama hat]

"Unfortunately, I am nowhere close to showing all the confessed or recorded war crimes of the Ukrainian army but I am reaching my 20 tweet limit.

Ah yes,the 20-tweet limit that has destroyed journalism careers for centuries

You obviously didn't watch the video.

Yea, might be an idea before posting

[Hugh Cow]

I would be very surprised if some Ukrainian soldiers hadn't shot russian soldiers. Especially any who have lost family members. The Wagner group is different, they are mercenaries and do not deserve to be afforded the Geneva convention. There mission is to inflict death around the globe for payment and like their CEO should be summarily shot on site.

[david44]

Playing with fire, European madness that could harm all

Shelling of Zaporizhzhia is playing with fire, says UN nuclear chief, as blasts reported | Ukraine | The Guardian


The UN nuclear energy watchdog has said the forces behind the shelling of Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia power plant are “playing with fire”, after a series of explosions shook the facility.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which has experts based at Zaporizhzhia, reported on Sunday that powerful explosions had shaken the area on Saturday night and Sunday. It said its on-site experts saw some of the explosions from their windows.

It reported more than a dozen blasts from apparent shelling, with damage to some buildings, systems and equipment, but “none so far critical for nuclear safety”.
The head of the IAEA, Rafael Grossi, said the news was extremely disturbing and he called the explosions completely unacceptable. “Whoever is behind this, it must stop immediately. As I have said many times before, you’re playing with fire,” he said.
According to the IAEA Twitter account, Grossi renewed his appeal to Ukraine and Russia to agree and implement a nuclear safety and security zone around the plant as soon as possible.
Zaporizhzhia, in south-east Ukraine, is Europe’s largest nuclear power station and has been under Russian control since March, although its Ukrainian staff remain in place to run the facility. It has faced repeated shelling, raising fears of a nuclear disaster. Moscow and Kyiv have blamed each other for the attacks.
The plant’s six Soviet-designed water-cooled reactors are currently shut down, but there is a risk that nuclear fuel could overheat if the power that drives the cooling systems is shut. Shelling has frequently damaged the plant’s power supply.
Russian officials claimed that Ukrainian forces were behind the latest attacks. “They are shelling not only yesterday but also today, they are shelling even now,” an adviser to the head of Russia’s nuclear power operator Rosenergoatom, Renat Karchaa, told the Russian state news agency Tass. He said there had been 15 aerial strikes, including one that hit a storage facility.
Soon after the Russian accusations, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency, Energoatom, said Russia was responsible for the shelling, which it said had resulted in 12 hits to Zaporizhzhia’s infrastructure. The company said on Telegram that the list of damaged equipment indicated that the attackers “targeted and disabled exactly the infrastructure that was necessary for the restart of 5th and 6th power units” and the restoration of power production for Ukrainian needs.
Ukraine faces a collapse in its electricity supply after a relentless Russian bombing campaign targeted at power infrastructure.
Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has previously called for all troops to leave the plant so that it is under full control of Ukrainian nuclear workers. His government has called the attacks on the plant false-flag operations by Russia.
Elsewhere in the Zaporizhzhia region, Russian forces shelled civilian infrastructure in about a dozen communities, destroying 30 homes, the Ukrainian presidential office said on Sunday.
Ukraine’s defence ministry published figures claiming that 84,210 Russian soldiers had been “eliminated” since the war began, including 330 in the last 24 hours. Ukraine also claimed Russia had lost 2,886 tanks, 5,817 armoured vehicles and 278 military jets.
Separately, Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s office said at least 437 Ukrainian children have been killed and more than 837 injured as a result of Russia’s invasion.
Ukraine and Russia decline to publish their own military casualty figures, but earlier this month a senior US general estimated there had been “well over 100,000 Russian soldiers killed and wounded”, and a similar number on the Ukrainian side.
Meanwhile, Ukraine promised to investigate footage that is said to show its forces killing Russian troops. Moscow has said videos circulating on social media show Ukrainian soldiers killing Russian soldiers as they tried to surrender.
The Ukrainian deputy prime minister Olha Stefanishyna said Ukrainian authorities would investigate the footage but that it was “very unlikely” the clips showed what Russia claimed, Associated Press reported. The UN’s human rights monitoring mission in Ukraine has called for further investigation, which Stefanishyna said Ukraine had “no problem” with.
On Sunday, a key adviser to the Ukrainian presidency said negotiating with Russia would be “capitulation”. Mykhailo Podolyak said attempts by the west to urge Ukraine to negotiate with Moscow were “bizarre” given the series of major military victories achieved by Kyiv.
“Any conspiracy theories about ‘surrender’ or west’s secret negotiations with Putin do not take into account ‘small detail’. Ukrainians,” he tweeted. “Ukraine will not kneel to Russians. It is not a matter of politics. It is a matter of our existence.”
His statement follows recent US media reports that some senior US officials have privately told Kyiv to be open to negotiations with Russia.

[Norton]

Russian officials claimed that Ukrainian forces were behind the latest attacks

Soon after the Russian accusations, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency, Energoatom, said Russia was responsible for the shelling

One of these sides is lying so should be easy enough to determine which one if an indepedent agency does an investigation.

[russellsimpson]

^The Russians would have no reason to shell the facility if it's already under their control.

No?

[russellsimpson]

I suspect rogue elements of the Ukrainian army.

[harrybarracuda]

Russia demands condemnation of Ukraine over execution of POWs

Next they'll be demanding condemnation of Ukraine for standing in their way when they drop bombs and missiles on civilian populations.

[harrybarracuda]

^The Russians would have no reason to shell the facility if it's already under their control.

No?

You can't think of a single reason why they would do that?

Oh, of course you can't.

[sabang]

Bombing their own nuclear facility that they have controlled since the early days of the war, sabotaging their own undersea gas pipeline, firing missiles at their own trains evacuating civilians towards Russia (kidnapping!), being accused of a missile strike on Poland when it quite obviously wasn't. It's all gotten rather far fetched.

[Joe 90]

Bombing their own nuclear facility that they have controlled since the early days of the war, sabotaging their own undersea gas pipeline, firing missiles at their own trains evacuating civilians towards Russia (kidnapping!), being accused of a missile strike on Poland when it quite obviously wasn't. It's all gotten rather far fetched.

I'm sure General Snubbles has a answer to this conundrum.

[misskit]

Outside of destroying Ukraine’s energy structure I can’t imagine why they would shell a power plant.

[misskit]

Ukraine’s national nuclear power company Energoatom said it appeared that Russian forces were trying to hinder the country’s ability to provide electricity to its citizens. The Kremlin has, in recent weeks, carried out a campaign of bombings and airstrikes on Ukrainian infrastructure designed to cripple Kyiv’s ability to provide heat to its residents as winter approaches.

Zaporizhzhia: IAEA warns whoever was behind '''powerful explosions''' at nuclear plant is '''playing with fire''' | CNN

[russellsimpson]

It's all gotten rather far fetched.

Yes it has. I think the western allies are starting to figure out Mr. Zelensky.

Zelensky's adherence to the belief that the Russians were behind the missile in Poland really exposes his hand as a fringe character. I personally can't see any peace process going anywhere while Zelensky is in charge. The idea MK, that the Russians are going after the plant to cut Ukrainian power supply seems quite absurd to me. Why would they take the risk? The risk of sending waves of nucleur pollution over the Russian mainland.

[harrybarracuda]

Yes it has. I think the western allies are starting to figure out Mr. Zelensky.

Zelensky's adherence to the belief that the Russians were behind the missile in Poland really exposes his hand as a fringe character. I personally can't see any peace process going anywhere while Zelensky is in charge. The idea MK, that the Russians are going after the plant to cut Ukrainian power supply seems quite absurd to me. Why would they take the risk? The risk of sending waves of nucleur pollution over the Russian mainland.

Did you learn nothing from Chernobyl?

[39TG]

It’s refreshing to see Snubbie’s liberal use of emoji’s that’s our cue to start laughing at him.

Come on snubs tell us again how the conflict is going to end. Are you still frightened to take the bet?

I find bsnub's posts very persuasive. I have no time at all for Putin and I'm appalled at the Russian war crimes. Russia should be held fully to account. I hope the Americans have the mettle to do this.

[HermantheGerman]

Russia demands condemnation of Ukraine over execution of POWs

Did Putler pay the € 41228 compensation for these poor slobs that have wasted their lives in the Ukraine?
Putin announces compensation figures for Russian soldiers who die in Ukraine | Marca

Maybe you can look in one of your mickey mouse websites and tell us how much Putin has lost/paid so far

.....footage showed Yevgeny Nuzhin, 55, being hit on the head with a sledgehammer. Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin later accused him of betraying Russia and his comrades.

Or better yet, maybe you can tell us how much the Wagner group has made $€$ so far
Just saved another € 41228

[bsnub]

Yes it has. I think the western allies are starting to figure out Mr. Zelensky.

You really are a moron.

The idea MK, that the Russians are going after the plant to cut Ukrainian power supply seems quite absurd to me. Why would they take the risk?

Very little of what the Russians do in this conflict makes sense. Your analysis is ridiculous as always.

Did you learn nothing from Chernobyl?

Clearly not. His love of Putin is showing. Another brainwashed stooge.

[Troy]

I find bsnub's posts very persuasive. I have no time at all for Putin and I'm appalled at the Russian war crimes. Russia should be held fully to account. I hope the Americans have the mettle to do this.

There have been war crimes on both sides that need to be analysed and dealt with appropriately.

When researching the latest Russian surrender episode I came across clear video evidence of UA shooting and killing Russian wounded. It was reported in April by NYT amongst others.

[bsnub]

There have been war crimes on both sides that need to be analysed and dealt with appropriately.

You need to keep things in context. The genocide being committed on the Ukrainian people is vastly more widespread than anything that the Ukrainian Army has done.

When researching the latest Russian surrender episode I came across clear video evidence of UA shooting and killing Russian wounded.

It was reported in April by NYT amongst others.

That just happened, so how would you have something reported in April about it? Maybe you should read this thread by Thomas Theiner...

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1593705944365633537

[OhOh]

Military operation in Ukraine

21 Nov, 19:55

Russian troops wipe out four command posts in Ukraine operation — top brass

It is reported that the Ukrainian military also failed in its attempt to attack Russian troop positions in the area of Novodarovka.

MOSCOW, November 21. /TASS/.

"Russian combat aircraft, missile and artillery troops obliterated four Ukrainian army command posts in the past day during the special military operation in Ukraine, Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported on Monday.

"Operational-tactical and army aviation aircraft, missile troops and artillery wiped out the Ukrainian army’s command posts in the areas of the settlements of Shevchenkovo in the Kharkov Region, Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Kamyshevakha and Preobrazhenka in the Zaporozhye Region, and also 54 artillery units at firing positions, manpower and military hardware in 124 areas,"

the spokesman said.

Russian troops delivered fire by artillery guns and heavy flamethrowers, thwarting a Ukrainian army attack in the Lugansk People’s Republic in the Kupyansk area, eliminating over 35 militants, Konashenkov reported.

"In the Kupyansk direction, preemptive fire by artillery and heavy flamethrower systems against the areas of amassed Ukrainian manpower thwarted the enemy’s attempt to advance towards the settlement of Kuzyomovka in the Lugansk People’s Republic,"

the spokesman said.

During the combat, Russian troops destroyed over 35 Ukrainian soldiers, two armored vehicles and four pickup trucks, the general specified.
Russian troops repelled Ukrainian army attacks in the Krasny Liman area, eliminating about 20 militants in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the Krasny Liman direction, the enemy’s two company tactical groups attempted to attack in the areas of the settlements of Golikovo and Chervonopopovka in the Lugansk People’s Republic. The enemy was scattered by artillery fire against the areas of amassed Ukrainian manpower,"

the spokesman said.

In the past day, the Ukrainian military lost over 20 troops, three infantry fighting vehicles and one armored vehicle in that area, the general specified.

Russian forces halted and pushed back the Ukrainian military in its attempt to counter-attack in the southern Donetsk area in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the southern Donetsk direction, Ukrainian army units unsuccessfully attempted to counter-attack to regain their positions in the areas of the settlements of Novomikhailovka, Vladimirovka and Pavlovka," the spokesman said.
The Ukrainian military also failed in its attempt to attack Russian troop positions in the area of Novodarovka, the general added.

"The Ukrainian army units were halted and pushed back to initial positions as a result of artillery strikes and operations by assault groups. The enemy lost over 70 Ukrainian servicemen killed and wounded in that area in the past day. One tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, five armored and five motor vehicles were destroyed,"

Konashenkov reported.

Russian forces eliminated a Ukrainian subversive/reconnaissance group in the Kherson Region in its attempt to move to the left bank of the Dnieper River in a boat, the general said.

"In the area of the settlement of Dneprovskoye in the Kherson Region, a subversive/reconnaissance group of the Ukrainian army was destroyed upon its attempt to move to the left bank of the Dnieper River in a boat. In addition, a Ukrainian armament and military hardware depot was destroyed near the community of Kramatorsk in the Donetsk People’s Republic,"

Konashenkov reported.

Russian troops obliterated two Uragan multiple launch rocket systems of the Ukrainian army that shelled the territory of Russia’s Belgorod Region, the spokesman said.

"In the counter-battery warfare, two Uragan multiple rocket launchers of the Ukrainian army that shelled the territory of the Belgorod Region were wiped out at their firing positions in the area of the settlement of Pylnaya in the Kharkov Region,"

the general said.

Russian air defense forces shot down five Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles and intercepted 11 Uragan and Olkha rockets in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the past 24 hours, air defense capabilities shot down five unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Kremennaya in the Lugansk People’s Republic, Pokrovskoye and Makeyevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic and Kakhovka in the Kherson Region,"

the spokesman said.

In the past day, Russian air defense systems also intercepted 11 Ukrainian Uragan and Olkha rockets near the communities of Strelechya in the Kharkov Region and Novotroitskoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic, the general added.

Russian troops have destroyed over 900 Ukrainian multiple launch rocket systems since the beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine, Konashenkov reported.

"In all, the following targets have been destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine:

333 aircraft, 177 helicopters, 2,543 unmanned aerial vehicles, 388 surface-to-air missile systems, 6,743 tanks and other combat armored vehicles, 901 multiple rocket launchers, 3,607 field artillery guns and mortars and 7,302 special military motor vehicles,"

the spokesman said."

Russian troops wipe out four command posts in Ukraine operation — top brass - Russian Politics & Diplomacy - TASS


"All Quiet On The Western Front", it seems.

Videos Suggest Captive Russian Soldiers Were Killed at Close Range

"Videos circulating online and reported on by Russian state media have raised questions about whether Ukrainian soldiers committed a war crime

"“We are aware of the videos, and we are looking into them,” Marta Hurtado, a spokeswoman for the U.N. Human Rights Office, told Reuters on Friday.

“Allegations of summary executions of people hors de combat should be promptly, fully and effectively investigated, and any perpetrators held to account.”

Under international law, the French term “hors de combat” refers to people who are “outside of combat” because of their surrender, being unarmed, unconscious or otherwise unable to defend themselves."

nytimes.com


No allegations of Russian soldiers have "committed a war crime", today.

[Troy]

That just happened, so how would you have something reported in April about it?

Apologies for the misunderstanding, perhaps I need to rephrase:

While researching the recent incident, I came across another report of an earlier incident from April showing UA killing wounded Russian soldiers.

[sabang]

Ghost


@mdfzeh

·
Nov 19


Ukrainian war crimes continues to this day so it's time to make a new thread about Ukrainian war criminals or war crimes. Same as last time, This is not a thread with circumstantial evidence or conjecture, but actually confessed war crimes or directly recorded war crimes.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1593614493841489920




^Plenty of stuff there Troy (and others). I am sure war crimes have been committed by Russians too (war itself is a crime), but Ukrainan crimes typically have gone unreported, underreported, or downright blamed on the other side by western- ie pro-Ukrainian media.

Some other stuff here too:-


"....The US media’s support for Ukraine’s propaganda efforts meant that it covered some of the most suspicious events without a hint of skepticism, and thereby encouraged more.

These questionable incidents included the following:

• On March 8, Western media reported that a Mariupol maternity hospital was attacked by Russian aircraft. Zelensky claimed the attack was evidence of Russian “genocide” against Ukraine. However, a key witness – a pregnant woman in the hospital photographed by AP – stated that no such airstrike occurred, and that nearby explosions were caused by Ukrainian artillery shells.

• On March 16, the Ukrainian government blamed a targeted Russian airstrike for destroying the Mariupol Dramatic Theater and causing anywhere from 300 to 600 deaths. Western corporate media promoted the Ukrainian narrative of the event despite a total absence of footage showing a missile strike, no images or evidence of large numbers of dead civilians inside, no images or evidence of any attempted rescue, and testimony by Mariupol locals asserting the Azov Battalion fighters that controlled the theater’s grounds staged the explosion to provoke NATO military intervention. Photographic evidence showed that Azov fighters removed all vehicles from the theater’s parking lot one day before the explosion.

• The Kramatorsk train station bombing that was blamed on Russia despite the fact the Tochka-U missile responsible for the blast contained a serial number matching others in Ukraine’s arsenal and originated from Ukrainian-controlled territory.

As the war grinds on, elements in the Biden administration appear to be growing impatient with the tall tales of their Ukrainian clients. “This is getting ridiculous,” an unnamed NATO official told the Financial Times on November 16. “The Ukrainians are destroying our confidence and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile.” "

FULL- https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/20/ze...erous-lie-yet/


I also reckon Zelensky's honeymoon period is coming to an end.

[Norton]

There have been war crimes on both sides that need to be analysed and dealt with appropriately.

Of course there have. Once you get over the moral issue of taking another life, very easy to commit a "war crime".

War crime accusations all over the place of late but in reality even after a long period of investigation aside from a few convictions of low ranking individuals, Putin and Zelensky can rest assured they won't spend a minute behind bars. Nor will those who form their most senior staff.

[Loy Toy]

^ I imagine scapegoats from both sides have been arranged and paid for already.

[happynz]

War crime accusations all over the place of late but in reality even after a long period of investigation aside from a few convictions of low ranking individuals, Putin and Zelensky can rest assured they won't spend a minute behind bars. Nor will those who form their most senior staff.

Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were the last big time leaders to go down, right?