Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

At least, being unreadable and in a small font, it doesn't waste too much space.

[bsnub]

At least, being unreadable and in a small font, it doesn't waste too much space.

He is on a rampage tonight, clearly having a major meltdown.

[sabang]

That all ya got boys- shitposting?

[bsnub]

shitposting?

You are for sure. You are clearly unhinged.

[Norton]

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was aimed at regime change against a country that posed no direct threat to Russia and therefore was indeed a violation of the U.N. Charter; but so, too, was the 2003 American invasion of Iraq

And yet some folks go out of their way to defend Russia's invasion. Strange world we live in init.

[bsnub]

Some apologist moron in this thread claimed that there was not a second and third line that shoots back when the first line retreats...

Russian 2nd line of defense is there to make sure the 1st line does not retreat.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1593206098475245570

[sabang]

^^ I blame the sorry lot of them- Putin, Zelensky regime, US State / neocons, gutless EU. But you already know that.

[misskit]

He is on a rampage tonight, clearly having a major meltdown.

I’ll say. That or off his rocker drunk. On another thread he said the US would invade Thailand because I tried to pay my pizza bill with USD and they wouldn’t take it. Beats me why he thinks I was paying a bill with anything other than baht.

[bsnub]

I blame the sorry lot of them

Bullshit. You are walking back now that Russia is losing. You have been a confirmed Russian shill and a putin knob gobbler for some time.

[bsnub]

I’ll say. That or off his rocker drunk.

Well it is almost 11pm where he is so most likely halfway through a wine case.

[sabang]

That or off his rocker drunk. On another thread he said the US would invade Thailand because

Are you on moonshine, or Thunderbird kitty?

[david44]

Are you on moonshine, or Thunderbird kitty?

Our intrepid newshound needs no defence.

If you accuses me of topery or topiary I hold my hands up to suggest one of our longest serious contributors equally addled says more about you.

Join the RANR .rum sodomy and the cash while working for the A team naval reserves in defence of democracy not some 3rd rate Leningrindr.

You claim balance but shit sticks and I fear you have been besmirched with other apologists for murder rape and pillage.

[sabang]

Hey, don't take my word for it- ask a US four star General -


Milley Says Chances of Ukrainian Military Victory ‘Not High’

The general reaffirmed his view that diplomacy is possible but said the US is prepared to support Ukraine for the long term if they keep fightingby Dave DeCamp Posted onNovember 16, 2022CategoriesNewsTagsRussia, Ukraine

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley reaffirmed on Wednesday that he sees an opportunity for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine and that the chances of a Ukrainian military victory happening anytime soon are “not high.”

“In terms of probability, the probability of a Ukrainian military victory defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they define or what the claim is Crimea, the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily,” Milley told reporters at a joint press conference with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. He said the areas that Ukraine has recaptured in Kharkiv and Kherson are “relatively small” compared with the territory Russia controls.

Milley said it’s possible that Ukraine could achieve some of its goals politically, through diplomacy. “There may be a political solution where, politically, the Russians withdraw, that’s possible. You want to negotiate from a position of strength. Russia right now is on its back,” he said.

Milley said that he believes the fighting could slow down in the winter, providing the opportunity for diplomacy. Austin said he believes fighting will slow this fall going into the winter but that things could pick up once the ground hardens.

“So when the ground hardens, trafficability will probably improve, and then we’ll be — we may see more activity. But I would remind everyone that this war started in February. So it — you know, winter does not mean that we’re going to stop fighting,” Austin said.

Russia could be preparing to launch a major offensive this winter as it has been reinforcing its positions after mobilizing 300,000 fresh troops. Moscow this week has launched massive missile barrages across Ukraine targeting infrastructure, which continued on Wednesday.




Military situation in Ukraine on November 16, 2022 (SouthFront.org)Also on Wednesday, Ukrainian President Voldymr Zelensky said that he received “signals” from his Western backers that Russian President Vladimir Putin desires direct negotiations with Ukraine. Zelensky said he proposed a public format for talks, suggesting he might have softened his stance on negotiations.

While there are much more talks of diplomacy now, Milley and Austin’s primary message was that they would support Ukraine in its war for “as long as it takes.” The two military leaders attended another meeting of the Ukrainian Defense Contact Group, which consists of representatives from about 50 countries.

“We just spent almost four hours with our colleagues there in the Ukraine Defense Contact meet — Group meeting. It was amazing to me how many ministers of defense, on their own, said ‘we’re going to do this for as long as it takes,'” Austin said.

To continue supporting Ukraine, the White House has asked Congress to approve $37.7 billion in new aid, which would bring total US spending on the war to about $105 billion.

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/11/16/...tory-not-high/


Of course I realise his opinion counts for nothing compared to our resident chickenhawk, plotting the demise of Putin from a Seattle basement.

[sabang]

A diplomat from a NATO country told Financial Times that Ukraine is 'openly lying' as Zelensky still denies a Ukrainian missile hit Polandby Dave DeCamp Posted onNovember 16, 2022CategoriesNewsTagsPoland, Ukraine

Ukraine is at odds with its Western backers over the missile that landed in Poland and killed two people. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday that he’s confident the missile didn’t come from his country even after NATO, Poland, and the US said it was likely fired by Ukrainian air defenses.

“I have no doubt that it was not our rocket,” Zelensky told reporters, adding that his assessment was based on reports from his military commanders. “I believe that it was a Russian missile based on the credibility of the reports of the military,” he said.


Zelensky also called for Ukraine to be allowed to conduct its own investigation. “Can we not say the final conclusions? Do we have the right to be in the investigation team? Of course,” he said.


Speaking to the Financial Times, a diplomat from a NATO country expressed frustration in response to Zelensky’s comments. “This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile,” the diplomat said.


When news of the missile hitting Poland first broke, Zelensky and his top advisors framed the incident as a deliberate Russian attack on a NATO member, and implied that the military alliance should take action. Any NATO strikes on Russia would mean World War III, which could quickly spiral into nuclear war.


Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba even said the idea that a Ukrainian missile hit Poland was a “conspiracy theory” being spread by Russia. “Russia now promotes a conspiracy theory that it was allegedly a missile of Ukrainian air defense that fell on the Polish theory. Which is not true. No one should buy Russian propaganda or amplify its messages,” he wrote on Twitter on Tuesday.


But the following day, NATO confirmed that it was likely a Ukrainian missile. “Our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident was likely caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile fired to defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said.


Poland reached a similar conclusion, and the US said it hadn’t seen any evidence to contradict that it was a Ukrainian missile. The missile landed in Poland as Russia was launching massive strikes across Ukraine targeting infrastructure. While they recognize it was a Ukrainian missile, NATO and the US say that Russia “bears ultimate responsibility,” but there’s no sign there will be an escalation, and Stoltenberg said he sees no threats from Russia.


Poland was considering calling consultations with NATO allies on the incident under Article 4, but Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that probably won’t be necessary. “Most of the evidence that we have collected so far shows that there will probably be no need to invoke Article 4 this time,” he said.

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/11/16/...at-hit-poland/




Would you buy a used car from this man?

[Norton]

While they recognize it was a Ukrainian missile, NATO and the US say that Russia “bears ultimate responsibility,”

One of the few facts that permeate the whole fucking mess.

[Iceman123]

Of course I realise his opinion counts for nothing compared to our resident chickenhawk, plotting the demise of Putin from a Seattle basement.

The deluded basement dweller is convinced Ukraine is winning, 12 Million people have left Ukraine, their cities and infrastructure being pummelled into rubble, millions without power or water, tens of thousands of Ukranians dead - If this is winning I would hate to contemplate what losing looks like.

Negotiations are the only way forward. No doubt the Seattle general will interpret this post as support for Russia. There again logic is not his strong suit.

[bsnub]

Oh look two apologist retards stroking each other off. When was the last Russian battlefield victory? A couple of laughable dimwitted fuckwits. That article is a total distortion of what Genearla Milley said. Not a surprise coming from a propaganda site.

Some of the Generals comments Sabangs shit source left out...

One week after saying there may be a window for peace talks to end the war in Ukraine, the top US general laid out a comprehensive list of Russia’s failures and suggested negotiations – if they were to occur – would be done from a position of strength for Kyiv.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said the Russian military was “really hurting bad” after nearly nine months of war in which the Kremlin has failed to achieve any of its goals. The Ukrainians have racked up “success after success after success,” Milley quipped, while the Russians “have failed every single time.”

Those failures, Milley suggested, which come on top of Ukraine’s recent liberation of Kherson, may even allow Ukraine to push for what it is unlikely to achieve militarily: a withdrawal of Russian forces.

“There may be a political solution where politically the Russians withdraw,” Milley said at a press conference Wednesday. “You want to negotiate at a time when you’re at your strength, and your opponent is at weakness. And it’s possible, maybe, that there’ll be a political solution. All I’m saying is there’s a possibility for it.”

Mark Milley: Top US general argues Ukraine may be in a position of strength to negotiate Russian withdrawal | CNN Politics

What a couple of clowns you are.

[Norton]

- If this is winning I would hate to contemplate what losing looks like.

There are no winners of war, only survivors and even they die inside from guilt. They only physically survive to warn us. To warn us that there is nothing more terrible than what they have done.

[sabang]

When was the last Vietnamese battle victory in the Vietnam war? The last major Taliban battle victory in Afghanistan? The last Iraqi army battlefield victory against the US invaders?

Just asking like. This war is not a cartoon series for your juvenile masturbation fantasies snubski. Maybe try to grow up, or leave it to the adults. Like General Mark Milley.

the probability of a Ukrainian military victory defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they define or what the claim is Crimea, the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily,” Milley told reporters at a joint press conference with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. He said the areas that Ukraine has recaptured in Kharkiv and Kherson are “relatively small” compared with the territory Russia controls.

[bsnub]

Russia could be preparing to launch a major offensive this winter as it has been reinforcing its positions after mobilizing 300,000 fresh troops. Moscow this week has launched massive missile barrages across Ukraine targeting infrastructure, which continued on Wednesday.

Anybody who buys that total horseshit is completely fucking clueless. BTW I still see you are referencing southfront even after it was pointed out to you that it is a Kremlin run propaganda site. What an utter buffoon.

When was the last Vietnamese battle victory in the Vietnam war? The last major Taliban battle victory in Afghanistan? The last Iraqi army battlefield victory against against the US invaders?

Along comes the clueless buffoon with more whataboutism. What a sad loser. You have more humiliation coming on the battlefield.

This war is not a cartoon series for your juvenile masturbation fantasies snubski.

You are the sick fuck cheering on Russian war crimes and celebrating apartment blocks getting leveled to the ground.

[sabang]

At least General Milley cares about Ukrainian lives.

[bsnub]

At least General Milley cares about Ukrainian lives.

You fucking pathetic scumbag. Post #10388 needs to be deleted. It takes a couple of sentences of what the General said and mixes it with complete propaganda horseshit to make it appear as they were the words of the General. Remarkably deceptive thing to do.

When an idiot off the street (like iceman) reads a post like that, they may be fooled into thinking those were the General's actual words. Absolutely pathetic.

[sabang]

Actual words-

"the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily,”


He said the areas that Ukraine has recaptured in Kharkiv and Kherson are “relatively small” compared with the territory Russia controls.


Having a bad day?

[harrybarracuda]

Actually, right now I am keeping my eye on the grown ups. Hoping for some sense and sensibility.

Yes, children often do that.

[harrybarracuda]

Negotiations are the only way forward. No doubt the Seattle general will interpret this post as support for Russia. There again logic is not his strong suit.

Again: Rewarding a psychopathic dictator is not an option. We tried that in 1938 and look how that turned out.