Ukraine war mega thread

[OhOh]

If an NPP is running, it can provide its own electricity and so would not need to be connected to the whole grid. It could provide enough for its own use.

I am under the impression that the NPP's, if disconnected from the grid, need to be fed with electricity from somewhere. They have some diesel generators which supply it for a limited period or shut down.

If the NPPs are completely shut down and are not generating electricity, they require some electricity. It is unlikely that the western half of Ukraine will have zero electricity.

If Russia, as it is doing currently in the east, destroys all Ukraine electricity connections ln the west, there would be zero links to any electricity available from:

the EU via an interconnector in Romania, and also I believe through Moldova.

If they cannot do that, diesel generators can provide some temporary emergency back-up until they can.

I believe the NPP's require electricity for some time, even after being shut down. Whether the diesel amounts on site will be adequate or will be able to be delivered, I don't know.

[Troy]

^ I heard the reactors were shut down and outside electricity was needed to run the water cooling to prevent thermalrunaway. Yes there are back up diesel generators but they can onky be used on a temporary basis. Not sure how long but not indefinitely.

[OhOh]

October 20, 202212:56 AM GMT+7Last Updated 2 hours ago

Britain's Wallace discussed Ukraine security concerns on Washington trip -source

Britain'''s Wallace discussed Ukraine security concerns on Washington trip -source | Reuters

UK/NaGastan secure connections compromised, concerns.

[David48atTD]

An alternative site, with daily updates, to watch.

I watched about 1/2 of that ... quite reasonable.

Not sensationalist, quite analytical.

[Norton]

"While we like to think Ukraine is winning the information war, outside of the West, they are just not," Mr Linvill said.

"It's an uncomfortable reality ... but a lot of the world is on Putin's side."

Suppose correct if "a lot" definition is subjective.
UN vote to condemn Russian invasion. 141 voted for, 5 voted against, 35 abstained 12 absent.

[sabang]

by Patrick MacFarlane Posted onOctober 19, 2022

As it pertains to the American public, Ukraine’s response to the Russian invasion can be summed up with two words: "Zelensky demands."


To date, Washington elites and their politicians have been happy to provide – at public expense – lining their own pockets in the process.


As of this writing, U.S. aid for Ukraine has reached approximately $67.5 billion, a figure greater than Russia’s entire 2021 military budget. According to the State Department, this support includes $15.2 billion in direct military assistance. The support comes although 60-70% of lethal aid never reaches the front lines, according to a now-redacted CBS interview with on-the-ground activists.


Not only is the American taxpayer supporting much of the Ukrainian military, it is also supporting the Ukrainian government. The same working class Americans who were deemed "nonessential" in 2020 – who saw their businesses shuttered and burned down – now have to pay entitlement programs both at home and in Ukraine.
As of September 30, 2022, the US has provided $13 billion in "direct budget support," which is ostensibly used;


…to pay government salaries, meet pension obligations, maintain hospitals and schools, and protect critical infrastructure[,] support continuity operations at the national, regional, and local levels, support for [sic] the health sector, agricultural production, civil society, [and enable] programs to hold Russia and its forces accountable for their actions in Ukraine.


Although American taxpayers have already matched Russia’s 2021 military budget, Ukrainian president Volodomyr Zelensky only demands more. During an October 4 phone call, President Biden reviewed Washington’s latest $625 million dole to Zelensky. It includes, inter alia, 4 additional High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), 16 155mm Howitzers, 75,000 155 mm artillery rounds, 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds, 16 105mm Howitzers, 30,000 120 mm mortar rounds, and 200 MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles.


This latest boon notwithstanding, in the same phone call, Zelensky urged Biden to provide Ukraine with air defense systems that will be used to shoot down Russian planes. Par for the course, Washington elites will provide the weapons systems and have even expedited their shipment per Zelensky’s demand.


Much like Washington’s response to COVID-19, a no-holds-barred approach to Ukraine is so widely supported, it is a foregone conclusion. Despite this, some Republicans have valiantly opposed this rampant and provocative spending. Notable dissenters are: Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MS), Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene (R-GA), and Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL).


Republicans like Taylor-Greene, Gaetz, and Hawley understand the cost of empire: endless warfare, a decaying home front, and a beclowned international reputation. They understand that a war between the U.S. and Russia will be unlike anything Americans have ever experienced. Although they cloak their condemnation of war with Russia in criticism of "weak Joe Biden," they understand it is the West that provoked this conflict and seeks to prolong it "to the last Ukrainian." They know that the conflict – even if it remains by-proxy – is a cost war-weary working class Americans do not want and cannot afford.


They must, then, realize that the same Washington elites waxing American fat off the Ukraine conflict are cultivating Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen as a Zelensky in-waiting.

FULL- https://original.antiwar.com/Patrick...m-the-us-dole/

[misskit]

^ Who is Patrick Macfarlane and why should we give a shit about what his opinion is?

[sabang]

No idea of his credentials, but he speaks for a growing chorus about the apparently 'unlimited cheque book'. Given that the USA is already the worlds most indebted country ever, the state of your infrastructure compared to say Chinas, the fact Ukraine is not a vital US strategic interest at all, and Zelensky's insatiable demands for more- when will this death gravy train ever stop?

And now you've got Ing-Wen being lined up, as next on the gravy train- at least by some in the Beltway. "What about Me" Joe Sixpack is thinking.

[bsnub]

will this death gravy train ever stop?

Putin started this death train, and he can end it anytime he wants too by withdrawing, but he better do it soon because if he doesn't the Ukrainians are going to do it for him.

[bsnub]

[baldrick]

Republicans like Taylor-Greene, understand the cost

Bwahahaha , fcuk right off

That piece of dumb is painful

[qwerty]

The author sounds quite reasonable, until he says this:

Republicans like Taylor-Greene, Gaetz, and Hawley understand

I doubt if those 3 understand anything.

[harrybarracuda]

No idea of his credentials, but he speaks for a growing chorus about the apparently 'unlimited cheque book'.

No, he parrots the sort of meaningless propaganda you swallow like a katoey whore.

when will this death gravy train ever stop?

When the war criminal stops his illegal invasion and fucks off home to Moscow. Are you stupid?

[harrybarracuda]

Bwahahaha , fcuk right off

That piece of dumb is painful

I'm impressed people actually read sabang's shite.

Right from the off I tend to look at the link and it's usually glaringly obvious it's just a load of shit propaganda.

[panama hat]

Ah yes, the gravy train of weapons to battle an invader ... Ah the fun that was had

Fuckwit

[OhOh]

Not sensationalist, quite analytical.

Thank you for your comment.

He does jump around a bit, but over time his analysis is pretty solid.

[OhOh]

19 Oct, 2022 07:29

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Ukrainian attack on nuclear plant repelled – Russian official

The amphibious operation in Zaporozhye Region involved 30 boats and followed artillery shelling, according to Vladimir Rogov.

"A Ukrainian attempt to capture Europe's largest nuclear plant has failed, a senior local official reported on Wednesday morning.Ukrainian commandos used around 30 speed boats overnight to cross the Dnieper River, targeting the city of Energodar, Vladimir Rogov claimed.
“After artillery shelling of the city, they attempted to land, including to capture the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant. The fighting continued for several hours, at least three or three and a half. The assault was fended off,” he said.

Earlier in the day the city administration reported Ukrainian artillery attacks on several key facilities in Energodar, including the city administration building, an access road, and a transformer station crucial for its power supply. The latter was disabled, causing a blackout, the head of the city administration, Aleksandr Volga, said.

Later in the day, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that the number of troops involved in the Ukrainian operation comprised up to two companies and that a total of 37 boats of various types were used. The military claimed that Kiev lost over 90 soldiers and 14 boats in the botched operation, while its remaining forces were dispersed by Russian artillery fire.

Energodar is located in Zaporozhye Region, one of four former Ukrainian regions that voted to become part of Russia last month. Energodar has been under Russian control since March.

The Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, the largest facility of its kind in Europe, is located on the shore of the Dnepr just outside the city. The site was the focus of a diplomatic spat between Russia and Ukraine, with both sides accusing each other of attacking it and risking a nuclear disaster. Kiev also claimed that Russia was stationing heavy weapons at the facility, which Moscow denies. Russia formally included the plant in its civilian atomic energy infrastructure earlier this month.

The provincial capital, the city of Zaporozhye, remains under Ukrainian control and served as the staging ground for the amphibious operation, according to Rogov."

DDOS-GUARD

[aging one]

Republicans like Taylor-Greene, Gaetz, and Hawley understand the cost of empire: endless warfare, a decaying home front, and a beclowned international reputation. They understand that a war between the U.S. and Russia will be unlike anything Americans have ever experienced. Although they cloak their condemnation of war with Russia in criticism of "weak Joe Biden," they understand it is the West that provoked this conflict and seeks to prolong it "to the last Ukrainian." They know that the conflict – even if it remains by-proxy – is a cost war-weary working class Americans do not want and cannot afford.

Jesus H Christ Sabang, you have taken a dive off the deep end. Why bother even conversing with this guy? Just put him on ignore.

[bsnub]

Ukrainian attack on nuclear plant repelled – Russian official

More of your propaganda BS. This is the second time that you and Sabang posted some BS about attacks on the plant. The first time it proved to be total bullshit, and this will prove to be the same. When things are going as bad as they are in Kherson is usually when the Russians desperately start making up sensationalist fantasy like this to deflect attention away from the bad news.

[nidhogg]

Jesus H Christ Sabang, you have taken a dive off the deep end. Why bother even conversing with this guy? Just put him on ignore.

Honestly cannot understand why people even bother. Nobody is changing anyone's mind here, and responding to Sabang's barking madness just seems futile..

[OhOh]

^ I heard the reactors were shut down and outside electricity was needed to run the water cooling to prevent thermalrunaway. Yes there are back up diesel generators but they can onky be used on a temporary basis. Not sure how long but not indefinitely.

An opinion re NPP's shutdown procedures/requirements:

"US nuke plants require offsite power to restart (emergency power systems do not generate enough power for restart of main reactor pumps) and offsite power is required to keep the cooling systems for the spent fuel pools in operation (they have to be continuously cooled, or else they can heat the cooling water to the boiling point and “boil off”, exposing the spent fuel to steam/air, leading to the rupture of the fuel rods and massive release of radiation).

It takes some time, a matter of days, to get a nuclear reactor into a cold shutdown (water in reactor core below boiling temp without additional cooling) after shutting down when operating at full power.

The failure of emergency power and emergency cooling systems at this point can lead to a reactor meltdown.

Nuclear reactors and nuclear power plants were designed with the assumption that offsite power would always be available. Only a 7 day diesel fuel supply is typically on site to run the emergency diesel generators."

[Takeovers]

I profoundly enjoy the fact, that Russia needs to buy drones from Iran.

[Neverna]

I profoundly enjoy the fact, that Russia needs to buy drones from Iran.

If they are, it should be good for the Iranian economy too. Win-win.

[aging one]

Honestly cannot understand why people even bother. Nobody is changing anyone's mind here, and responding to Sabang's barking madness just seems futile..

Because I had no idea he had completely fallen off the rails.

[Neverna]

"US nuke plants .............offsite power is required to keep the cooling systems for the spent fuel pools in operation (they have to be continuously cooled, or else they can heat the cooling water to the boiling point and “boil off”, exposing the spent fuel to steam/air, leading to the rupture of the fuel rods and massive release of radiation).

In the US, maybe. How about in Ukraine? I have seen nothing that indicates Ukraine uses a special cooling system to cool the water for spent fuel cooling ponds/pools. They may just use the ambient temperature of the water, as has been used in the UK.