Ukraine war mega thread

[NamPikToot]

Musk yet again proving what wanker he is and another example if one were needed why he needs to keep his opinions to himself

Musk says SpaceX cannot keep funding Ukraine Starlink

Elon Musk has said his rocket firm SpaceX cannot continue indefinitely paying for Ukraine's Starlink internet service in his latest spat with Kyiv.

In February, the world's richest man activated his company's satellite internet system in Ukraine to keep its military and people online.

But last month the Tesla owner asked the Pentagon to fund the programme instead of him, according to US media.

He recently provoked Kyiv's ire by suggesting it cede territory.

"SpaceX is not asking to recoup past expenses, but also cannot fund the existing system indefinitely," Mr Musk tweeted on Friday, referring to his space company that makes the Starlink system.

Starlink works by providing broadband internet through a network of satellites. It has proven vital for Ukraine's military as it fights to retake Ukrainian land from Russia.

Ukraine credited Starlink this week with helping to reboot its infrastructure in key areas following more than 100 Russian missile strikes.

more https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63266142

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Noted for posterity

Indeed. Six days before Russia invaded Ukraine...

Still no Russian invasion then? How are the usual suspects gonna backpedal out of this when it becomes apparent that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, as I have been telling you all along bedwetters? May as well start preparing your excuses now- you are gonna need 'em!

What an utter buffoon. Months later and still spewing the same utter shit! Noted for posterity.

[HermantheGerman]

I think it would be good if someone posted up that quote of Sabang's each and every time he posts on a Ukraine thread.

But he has so many stupid posts. Well here is one for today

I very much doubt there will be any war at all snubs (unless you count the entrenched forces taking occasional potshots at each other). And I have declared to you from the very beginning there will be no 'Russian invasion'

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All eyes on Kherson. The offensive is back on.

[sabang]

“Privately, U.S. officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright, but they have ruled out the idea of pushing or even nudging Ukraine to the negotiating table,” WaPo reports. “They say they do not know what the end of the war looks like, or how it might end or when, insisting that is up to Kyiv.”These two points taken together lend even more credibility an argument I’ve been making from the very beginning of this war: that the U.S. does not want peace in Ukraine, but rather seeks to create a costly military quagmire for Moscow just as U.S. officials have confessed to trying to do in Afghanistan and in Syria.

Which would explain why U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the U.S. goal in Ukraine is actually to “weaken” Russia, and also why the empire appears to have actively torpedoed a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia in the early days of the conflict.This proxy war has no exit strategy. And that is entirely by design.

Many have been calling for the U.S. to abandon its policy of actively sustaining this war while avoiding peace talks.“President Biden’s language, we’re about at the top of the language scale, if you will,” former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen told ABC’s This Week on Sunday regarding the president’s recent remark that this conflict could lead to “Armageddon.”

“I think we need to back off that a little bit and do everything we possibly can to try to get to the table to resolve this thing,” Mullen said, adding, “As is typical in any war, it has got to end and usually there are negotiations associated with that. The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.”“One thing the United States can do is… drop the position, the official position, that the war must go on to weaken Russia severely, meaning no negotiations,” Noam Chomsky argued in a recent appearance on Democracy Now.

“Would that open the way to negotiations, diplomacy? Can’t be sure. There’s only one way to find out. That’s to try. If you don’t try, of course it won’t happen.”“It is time for the United States to supplement its military support for Ukraine with a diplomatic track to manage this crisis before it spirals out of control,” said the Quincy Institute’s George Beebe following the Monday missile strikes on Kyiv, calling it “a major escalation in the war” that was bound to “bring the world closer to a direct military collision between Russia and the United States.”

“The Americans have to come to an agreement with the Russians. And then the war will be over,” Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said at an event on Tuesday, adding that “anyone who thinks that this war will be concluded through Russian-Ukrainian negotiations is not living in this world.”

FULL- https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/1...offer-to-talk/

[pickel]

Two volunteer soldiers on Saturday shot at other troops at a Russian military firing range near Ukraine, killing 11 and wounding 15 others, before getting killed, the Russian Defence Ministry said.

The ministry said in a statement the shooting took place in the Belgorod region in southwestern Russia that borders Ukraine. It said the two volunteers, from an unnamed ex-Soviet nation, fired on other soldiers during target practice and were killed by return fire.

The ministry called the incident a terrorist attack.

Moscow says volunteer soldiers killed 11, injured 15 at Russian military firing range | CBC News

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Still no Russian invasion then? How are the usual suspects gonna backpedal out of this when it becomes apparent that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, as I have been telling you all along bedwetters? May as well start preparing your excuses now- you are gonna need 'em!

"bedwetters", "shitposters" . . . mentality of a ten year old.

'Noted for posterity'

[Loy Toy]

Based upon what we are all experiencing as a result of this conflict, I propose all global nations receive at least 1 nuclear weapon to deter others from threatening war against them.

The present situation, whereby some countries are nuclear armed and others not, is the cause of this conflict in my opinion.

Either destroy all nuclear weapons therefore creating an even playing field or arm every country.

I may be wrong but I look at this as a simple solution and I suggest we do the same regarding 1 universal global religion.

[harrybarracuda]

Based upon what we are all experiencing as a result of this conflict, I propose all global nations receive at least 1 nuclear weapon to deter others from threatening war against them.

The present situation, whereby some countries are nuclear armed and others not, is the cause of this conflict in my opinion.

Either destroy all nuclear weapons therefore creating an even playing field or arm every country.

I may be wrong

You are.

[docmartin]

How so ? If everyone can nuke anyone no one will nuke anybody.
Unless there’s an idiot with a button to press.

[misskit]

Unless there’s an idiot with a button to press.

Therein lies the problem.

[misskit]

UN Envoy: Rape Used as Part of Russian ‘Military Strategy’ in Ukraine

Rapes and sexual assaults attributed to Moscow's forces in Ukraine are part of a Russian "military strategy" and a "deliberate tactic to dehumanize the victims," UN envoy Pramila Patten told AFP in an interview on Thursday.


"All the indications are there," the UN special representative on sexual violence told AFP, when asked if rape was being used as a weapon of war in Ukraine.


"When women are held for days and raped, when you start to rape little boys and men, when you see a series of genital mutilations, when you hear women testify about Russian soldiers equipped with Viagra, it's clearly a military strategy," she said.


"And when the victims report what was said during the rapes, it is clearly a deliberate tactic to dehumanize the victims."


The United Nations has verified "more than a hundred cases" of rape or sexual assault in Ukraine since Russia invaded in February, Patten said, referring to a UN report released in late September.


The report "confirmed crimes against humanity committed by the Russian forces, and according to gathered testimonies, the age of the victims of sexual violence ranges from four to 82 years old," she said.


The victims are mostly women and girls, but also men and boys, she said, adding that "reported cases are only the tip of the iceberg."


"It's very difficult to have reliable statistics during an active conflict, and the numbers will never reflect reality, because sexual violence is a silent crime" that is largely underreported, Patten said.


UN Envoy: Rape Used as Part of Russian 'Military Strategy' in Ukraine - The Moscow Times

[harrybarracuda]

How so ? If everyone can nuke anyone no one will nuke anybody.
Unless there’s an idiot with a button to press.

Got there in the end.

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As the Russian Army Digs In, A Pro-Kremlin Mercenary Company Goes On The Attack in Ukraine—And Begs For Credit

Six weeks after the Ukrainian army launched twin counteroffensives in northeastern and southern Ukraine, Russian forces all across the country are digging in—and bracing for the next attack.

There’s only one place in Ukraine where the Russians still are on the offensive. The area around Bakhmut, a town in the center of a cursed rectangle formed by occupied Donetsk, Luhansk and Severodonetsk and the free city of Slovyansk in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

Only it’s not really the Russian army that’s still mounting attacks toward Bakhmut, it’s the armies of the pro-Russian separatist “republics” in Donetsk and Luhansk and, more notably, The Wagner Group, the notorious and shadowy Russian mercenary firm whose for-profit soldiers have been on the front lines since the beginning.

Today thousands of Wagner mercenaries are in Ukraine.

The operations by The Wagner Group and the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics are small in scale. The separatist 2nd Army Corps “likely advanced” into the villages of Opytine and Ivangrad south of Bakhmut, the U.K. Defense Ministry reported on Friday.

At the same time, Wagner fighters “achieved some localized gains” in the same area. But at the same time, “there have been few, if any, other settlements seized by regular Russian or separatist forces since early July,” the U.K. Defense Ministry pointed out.

Russian planners aim to capture Bakhmut as a step toward capturing Slovyansk, which the British note “is the most significant population center of Donetsk Oblast held by Ukraine.”

But seizing a few villages around Bakhmut doesn’t count as taking the town itself. Slovyansk is an even tougher goal as Ukrainian forces continue to sever Russia’s supply lines, kill its increasingly unfit soldiers and capture its tanks and fighting vehicles.

The Kremlin’s “overall operational design is undermined by the Ukrainian pressure against its northern and southern flanks, and by severe shortages of munitions and manpower,” according to the U.K. Defense Ministry.

So why bother—and risk expending what little offensive combat power the Russian army and its allies have left? The separatist 2nd Army Corps is under overall Russian command, but Wagner under its financier Yevgeny Prigozhin has demonstrated a surprising degree of autonomy.

And it’s apparent, as Russia’s prospects in Ukraine diminish, that Prigozhin and his mercenaries are trying to distinguish themselves from the wider Russian military enterprise. Wagner even disputed Luhansk’s claim that its forces captured Ivangrad.

The mercenary firm insisted its fighters seized the village, according to The Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. “Prigozhin’s apparent desire to have Wagner Group fighters receive sole credit for the capture of Ivangrad is consistent with ISW’s previous observations that Prigozhin is jockeying for more prominence,” the think-tank stated.

It’s no secret the regular Russian army is in a state of collapse after losing around 100,000 soldiers killed and wounded in Ukraine since late February. A power vacuum is forming around the Kremlin. A vacuum that The Wagner Group clearly intends to fill.

As the Russian Army Digs In, A Pro-Kremlin Mercenary Company Goes On The Attack in Ukraine—And Begs For Credit

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Beautiful. Russian air defenses at Belgorod airport failed marvelously today. What appears to be the SAM-launcher itself got struck directly, perhaps a TELAR struck by HARM.

The noose tightens. This is just the start of a shaping operation. More humiliation is inbound in a few days.

https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status...70458901626880

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 16 | Institute for the Study of War

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KHERSON/1415 UTC 16 OCT/ Today’s briefing of the UKR general staff reports a significant uptick in Close Air Support (CAS) and Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) sorties. 35 strike missions hit 24 RU military targets, including the interdiction of 8 RU air defense complexes.

[sabang]

The account behind the pro-Western meme also denied the Holocaust


The Polish Twitter user behind the ‘NAFO’ phenomenon locked his account on Saturday after critics discovered his lengthy record of posts praising Nazi Germany, insulting Jews and denying the Holocaust. The troll-in-chief insists he posted the controversial material “to fit in.”

Kamil Dyszewski has received glowing praise in Western media for posting a crudely-edited Shiba Inu avatar to Twitter earlier this summer. The cartoon dog soon caught on, and pro-Ukrainian accounts began to display their own Shiba avatars and refer to themselves as ‘NAFO’, or the ‘North Atlantic Fellas Organization.’

Since then, the ‘Fellas’ can be found spreading Kiev’s talking points, ganging up to swarm polls and report pro-Moscow accounts, and soliciting donations for the Ukrainian military.




Before his work was lauded by American weapons manufacturers and their sponsored think tanks, Dyszewski used online platforms to post racialist propaganda about Jews, dispute the Holocaust, and praise Adolf Hitler and other top Nazis. Among the posts are cartoons denying the existence of gas chambers at concentration camps and a meme describing a comparison to Hitler as “nice,” as well as additional photos of the Nazi leader and his propagandist, Joseph Goebbels.



Questioned by some within his own ranks, Dyszewski locked his Twitter account on Saturday, but not before posting an explanation. Describing the controversial posts as “overly edgy and incredibly inappropriate ‘jokes,’” Dyszewski said that he made them “to fit in,” without explaining with whom he was attempting to fit in. He added that these posts, all made around 2020, “do not represent me as a person.”





While NAFO may have started with an offhand internet post by a Polish gamer, it has since grown into a internet-wide phenomenon, counting US Congressman Adam Kinzinger, Ukrainian Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov, and a host of Western analysts, spies, and other members of the intelligence community as ‘Fellas.’

This member roll has led some critics to argue that NAFO is a creation of Western intelligence agencies. Similar pro-Ukrainian social media campaigns have previously been identified as relying on masses of ‘bot’ accounts.

https://swentr.site/russia/564730-na...er-nazi-posts/

[hallelujah]

Sadly, sabang has fallen into the same category as OhOh these days.

I just find myself seeing his name, skimming the title of whatever latest nonsense he's copied and pasted and then moving on to the next poster in the thread.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

You are.

which part? the one where everyone has them, or the one where no one has them?

[harrybarracuda]

which part? the one where everyone has them, or the one where no one has them?

The part where proliferation massively increases the risk of misuse.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

The part where proliferation massively increases the risk of misuse.

I dont think there is anyone that likes proliferation.
IMO the US is a major cause of proliferation.
Gaddafi did not have them and we all know what happened to him. Kim Jong-un has them and he gets love letters from trump.

PS: a difficult proposition because if the US got rid of it's nuclear arsenal who is to say that some bad actors will not keep them? IMO once this genie is out of the bottle it's very difficult to put back.

[bsnub]

I just find myself seeing his name, skimming the title of whatever latest nonsense he's copied and pasted and then moving on to the next poster in the thread.

Almost everything he posts is fake or complete lies. The post above yours is straight from Russian state propaganda and nothing more than horseshit.

It is anything he can do to distract from the reality that Russia is losing this war.

[panama hat]

The account behind the pro-Western meme also denied the Holocaust

Ah, the Holocaust . . . must be those gosh-durned Yukerainians Nazis . . . Soooooeeeeee, sabang!!!! Git yer deeflekschen topis out.

I just find myself seeing his name, skimming the title of whatever latest nonsense he's copied and pasted and then moving on to the next poster in the thread.

Same, simply nothing but simple bullshit. OhWoeII. At this stage Backspit deserves more attention.