Ukraine war mega thread

[helge]

If the Russian army was not hollowed out, there would never have been a mobilization.

Hmm
Go ahead and believe your numbers.

I do not believe any of them, but...

Let's say that the russians started out with 190.000 troops( potato peelers and all) + some 35.000 from Donbas.

They are up against some 300.000 ukrainian troops incl. paras.


The russians must man a

Quote from Zelenskyy: "The length of the front line on Ukrainian land is 2,500 kilometres.

fucking long front.

Can't man it after their own liking. The offensives decide that; as was seen near Kharkov.

And add to that....that they also need to control the occupied territories.

Hollowed out or not:

If the Russian army was not hollowed out, there would never have been a mobilization.

I disagree

Putin must have hubris to show up with such a small force. It's not exactly that they were welcomed with flowers...


Hitler stationed 100.000 troops in Denmark during the war, and we are something like 1/15 of Ukraine in territory and were 1/10 of their population.

Anyway; try do the math

[NamPikToot]

And add to that....that they also need to control the occupied territories.

No they don't, if you knew anything about warfare. Ukraine merely needs to ensure the Russians cannot occupy or hold them, its always more difficult, so let the Russians expend lives and mil kit defending territory they want to own whilst their re-supply lines get continually disrupted.

[helge]

No they don't, if you knew anything about warfare.

The russians do not need to exercise control over occupied territories ?

Must be a friendly bunch of folks they have invaded then

[NamPikToot]

What are you wittering about, you are just Hegling as usual when did you get your day release privileges back.

[helge]

About a week ago

[NamPikToot]

About a week ago

excellent

[Troy]

Putin must have hubris to show up with such a small force. It's not exactly that they were welcomed with flowers...

Putin was clearly not expecting a fight. Germany used nearly 3.5m troops for the invasion of France. Putin would need double that for a successful invasion of Ukraine.

The problem is, having started it, how does he end it without falling on his sword?

[NamPikToot]

or someone pushing him on it.

[Joe 90]

There must be people inside the kremlin planning an assassination, someone somewhere is planning his downfall apart from Snubbles.

[Norton]

You will not find one credible source claiming that Ukraine has taken more casualties than the Russians

Nor will you find one claiming the Russians have taken more. It is in the interest of both to overstate the number of enemy KIAs and understate numbers of own forces killed. KIA numbers erroneously have been a measure of who is winning or will win. Fact is, the winner will always be the side most committed and equipped to achieve victory.

[Joe 90]

The winter will decide!

Echoes of Stalingrad.

Only the Russians are the Nazis.

[misskit]

Dozens of Gazprom employees forced to join army as ‘volunteers’

Over 80 Gazprom employees have been forced to enlist in the military as “volunteers” after being taken to their local military commissariat under the pretense of having their documents checked, according to the independent TV network Dozhd.


Workers from multiple Gazprom enterprises in the Nadymsky District of Russia’s Tyumen region were asked to bring their military ID cards to work on September 26 for record verification, the outlet wrote. When the employees arrived, they were reportedly taken to the military commissariat, where they underwent medical inspections. According to Dozhd, after the check-ups, almost all of the employees had their military fitness categories upgraded and were signed up as “volunteers” for the army. The following day, Dozhd learned, they were sent to military training.


Reporters at Dozhd reportedly learned about the forced enlistment from a Gazprom employee named Andrey who managed to refuse the medical inspection and flee the country. Andrey also told Dozhd that the facility where he works is considered “dangerous” — and that by law, it’s not supposed to be understaffed, as a shortage of workers could lead to a technical failure. “And suddenly they just took 80 people away at once,” he said.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/29...-as-volunteers

[sabang]

Rings true, although a bit old-


Conclusion

Unsurprisingly, Moscow and Kyiv are far apart in their estimation of own and other losses. This testifies to the information or propaganda aspects of the current conflict. Independent sources of equipment losses show the two sides much closer in their levels of attrition than most media coverage would suggest. And this implies lower levels of personnel attrition. Interestingly, the levels of verifiable equipment loss are within the range of US official estimates for Russian personnel losses.

Ukrainian resistance is more intense than Moscow anticipated, but Russia’s principal problems are logistical and the impact of logistical shortcomings on morale. Although Russia’s home-based material stores are great, its forces are operating at the end of ever longer and more vulnerable supply lines. By contrast, Ukrainian forces are heavily dependent on uncertain outside support, but when its units are forced back they fall back on their supply lines.

The utter dependence of Ukraine on outside support drives its investment in the propaganda war, whose target is the West. By contrast, Russia’s propaganda efforts are oriented toward maintaining troop morale and Russian public support.

The key conclusion of our analysis is that, contrary to the propaganda messaging of the two sides, both would seem able to sustain combat for a considerable time longer. And this implies unrelenting destruction in Ukraine, with ever mounting civilian losses. While this might argue for increased emphasis on war containment and diplomatic efforts, the most evocative messaging on the western side emphasizes Russian miscalculation and fumbling, Ukraine’s adept resistance, and the promise of war termination via increased investment in the war.

https://comw.org/pda/russia-ukraine-war-estimating-casualties-military-equipment-losses/

[bsnub]

[bsnub]

Seeing as we already know what you think anyway, there is really no need to repeat it ad infinitum on a daily basis. Tedious and boring.

I think I speak for more than just myself when I say that that applies to most of the utter shit you post on here.

You are set for a massive amount of humiliation coming in the next several days. Lyman is collapsing as I type this. You are too stupid to understand what is about to happen when that front falls.

Prepare to qualify.

[sabang]

Again. Yawwwwn. Do you ever tire of repeating yourself?

[sabang]

Published on Urban Ramblings, Sept 25, 2022:

A recent survey conducted in Germany reveals that there are very strong majorities for “the West” to initiate peace negotiations and for “Western leaders” to keep talking to the Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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In a survey conducted recently by opinion research institute Forsa for the RTL / ntv “trend barometer” there are very strong majorities for “the West” to initiate peace negotiations (Graph 1) for “Western leaders” to keep talking to Russian President Putin (Graph 2).








While there is majority support for supporting Ukraine at least at the current level about a quarter of people think that it is too much, balancing similar numbers who think it too little (graph 3) but there is equally strong opposition to specific escalation (graph 4).









Opinion in the UK – with less dependence on Russian gas and a bigger role for the military in its national psyche – is more bellicose, but the strong sentiment for the sort of peace negotiations that China and India have called for in the key state in the EU indicates that its government will face increasing difficulties in maintaining a pro war stance as the winter crisis unravels.


https://newcoldwar.org/how-germans-see-the-war-in-ukraine/

[pickel]

Again. Yawwwwn. Do you ever tire of repeating yourself?

Seriously? It's all you do. Go on, mention Kissinger and Chomsky again. Or what a poet bloggers opinion is. At least snubs provides info and articles about hot spots in the war.

And yes, Lyman is about to fall.

[bsnub]

Seriously? It's all you do. Go on, mention Kissinger and Chomsky again.

The irony is overwhelming. He regurgitates the same garbage ad nauseam.

And yes, Lyman is about to fall.

The smell of victory is sweet!

[baldrick]

The smell of victory is sweet!

reality is burnt flesh , blood and shit

[OhOh]

Putin was clearly not expecting a fight. Germany used nearly 3.5m troops for the invasion of France. Putin would need double that for a successful invasion of Ukraine. The problem is, having started it, how does he end it without falling on his sword?

Are you suggesting that Russia did not have any idea of the Ukrainian military equipment, defensive trenches, available number of soldiers .... . Prior to announcing the start of, it's SMO? Moving, it's army to assist the two republics to defend them being attacked by Ukrainian forces, to destroy an acceptable amount of Ukraine military of the Ukraine military ?

I suspect Russia would have been unclear as to the amount of additional military equipment, soldiers, management, info .... subsequently delivered by NATO/other countries.

Having successfully completed enough land recovery to hold the referenda, and by enough positive votes from the population, Russia can consider what to do next. The citizens of the held areas are expecting to join Russia. The Russian government is expected to vote positively in the next day or so.

The newly arriving soldiers will assist in managing the new Russian lands. This will allow the original soldiers to continue to clear any remaining Ukraine/NATO/mercenaries .... soldiers from being able to continue their attacks on what will soon be Russia.

What Russia has plans for going forward, what, where and when, has yet to be announced. As for the amounts and what forces/equipment to be deployed, all are readily available, except as Russia as confirmed, nuclear weapons. Subject to, no use by NATO/others.

[OhOh]

At least snubs provides info and articles about hot spots in the war.

Care to post links any reports of Russian success from bsnub?

And yes, Lyman is about to fall.

So he has been repeating for weeks.

Again today:

Lyman is collapsing as I type this

He regurgitates the same garbage ad nauseam.

[bsnub]

Care to post links any reports of Russian success from bsnub?

There isn't any.

Again today

You got a big surprise coming, pal. Lyman is surrounded, and the Ukrainians have taken Yampil. It won't be long now.

So he has been repeating for weeks.

More of your bullshit. Weeks ago we were enjoying Ukraine driving the Russians out of Kharkiv oblast.

[HermantheGerman]

Putin was clearly not expecting a fight. Germany used nearly 3.5m troops for the invasion of France. Putin would need double that for a successful invasion of Ukraine.

The problem is, having started it, how does he end it without falling on his sword?

3.5m ? seems a lot.

Anyway, the Germans did a Blitzkrieg and the Russians are doing a Sitzkrieg

[Shutree]

3.5m ? seems a lot.

The German army at the outbreak of WW2 was close to 5 million. I have no idea how many went to the front.