Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

But Ukraine, in calling Russian soldier 'orcs' has also engaged in dehumanising the Russian invaders.

Rightly so in that case.

[sabang]

It is the Ukrainian treatment of it's ethnically and culturally Russian citizens that is the basis of this war.

[sabang]

[bsnub]

More horseshit. You clearly have an endless supply.

[sabang]

Oh, so now The Guardian is horseshit. Ex-US Ambassadors, senior Diplomats like Kissinger, world renowned intellectuals like Chomsky and Mearsheimer- all horseshit if they say what little snubchild doesn't want to hear! Stay classy junior.

[bsnub]

Oh, so now The Guardian is horseshit.

Firstly, it is an opinion piece, you mouth breathing buffoon. Secondly, it is just a screenshot, so could be a fake. Either way, it means absolutely fuck all.

Ex-US Ambassadors, senior Diplomats like Kissinger, world renowned intellectuals like Chomsky and Mearsheimer

You make it sound like the entire world is on your side, when it is just a handful of old crackpots. Chomsky is by no means a "world renowned" intellectual. He is a professor of linguistics who regularly speaks out of his area of expertise and usually spews rubbish.

You are desperate for validation, but you have no credibility.

[sabang]

Chomsky is by no means a "world renowned" intellectual. He is a professor of linguistics who regularly speaks out of his area of expertise and usually spews rubbish.

You are desperate for validation, but you have no credibility.

So Noam Chomsky, who is widely described as the "World's foremost intellectual", is a crackpot? What on earth does that make you! If I seek validation, should I refer to the wisdom of Professor Warporn Snubchild? Ya crack me up.

[harrybarracuda]

It is the Ukrainian treatment of it's ethnically and culturally Russian citizens that is the basis of this war.

You fucking moron.

[harrybarracuda]

Oh, so now The Guardian is horseshit. Ex-US Ambassadors, senior Diplomats like Kissinger, world renowned intellectuals like Chomsky and Mearsheimer- all horseshit if they say what little snubchild doesn't want to hear! Stay classy junior.

The Guardian is a well known lefty rag.

And you keep posting rubbish from bitter, washed-up has-beens trying to stay in the limelight as if it's somehow worth reading.

[sabang]

Oh, here comes Prof Cuda to help with the righteous crusade! Real bunch of heavy hitters here.




But, u'mmm, looks like they were right.

[bsnub]

Most likely a Photoshop fake, or you would have posted the real thing, but since it is an OPINION piece even if real it means fuck all.

So Noam Chomsky, who is widely described as the "World's foremost intellectual", is a crackpot?

Says who? You really are having a meltdown here. Clearly the desperation is showing since the Russians are getting their teeth kicked in at the moment. A couple of big dominoes are about to fall.

More humiliation is coming for you.

[harrybarracuda]

Oh dear, looks like Puffy is starting to get twitchy.

The Kremlin has admitted mistakes were made in its drive to mobilise Russian army reservists to fight in Ukraine, amid growing public opposition.
"There are cases when the decree is violated," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said, adding that "all the errors will be corrected".
Multiple reports say people with no military experience, or who are too old or disabled, are being called up.
Last week's mobilisation decree has already triggered widespread protests.
President Putin announced what he described as partial mobilisation on 21 September, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu later saying 300,000 reservists would be called up.
However, reports in opposition Russian media suggested that up to one million people could be called up, pointing out that one paragraph believed to be about the exact number of the required reservists was omitted (classified) in the published version of Mr Putin's decree on the official Kremlin website.
A number of military experts in the West and Ukraine say Putin's decision to call up reservists shows that Russian troops are failing badly on the battlefield in Ukraine - more than seven months after Moscow launched its invasion.
Since the mobilisation announcement, more than 2000 people have been detained at protests across Russia.

[misskit]

^ Link, please.

[harrybarracuda]

^ Link, please.

Just for you, but this is speakers, not news.



Ukraine war: Russia admits mobilisation errors, amid growing public opposition - BBC News

[misskit]

^You don’t want to join backspit as a plagiarizer, now do you?


Putin’s Top Cheerleaders Panic Over Russian Army ‘Mutiny’

Russia’s “partial mobilization” cast another shadow on the already dire situation its Armed Forces are facing in Ukraine. The situation is so grotesque that even Russian President Vladimir Putin’s biggest cheerleaders find themselves trashing the way the mobilization is being conducted.


Top pro-Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov and head of RT Margarita Simonyan spent much of the broadcast of the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov complaining about the issues with the mobilization. Solovyov said, “There are panicked calls on my phone, on Margarita’s phone, which shows that a number of people involved have forgotten how to do their jobs.”

Simonyan added that after listening to Putin’s announcement and the follow-up message from Russia’s Defense Ministry, she was under the impression that only people with prior military experience were subject to mobilization—but that’s not what happened. RT’s head said that she knows many people with prior combat experience, but none of them received any call-up notices.

She angrily recounted numerous instances where the new recruits included students, those outside the age limit, people with serious illnesses, barbers, teachers, musicians, and a single mother of two young children. Among the people swept up in the mobilization efforts, Solovyov and Simonyan recounted seeing information about draftees as old as 62 and 59 years of age.


Solovyov brought up another egregious instance in which a severely ill musician was mobilized in Novosibirsk, prompting Senator Alexander Karelin to intervene. The recruiter explained that he drafted the musician because he previously made some sort of complaint against him. The host also mentioned an instance of rusty automatic weapons being distributed to new recruits, angrily questioning why that was done. Simonyan chimed in to say that these “small things” have a major impact on people.

Solovyov pointed out: “All of them have phones and they won’t stay silent. If they’re being handed rotten things, if they have no helmets, no body armor, no one is going to hide it... I will tell you very politely: Don’t play games with people… This isn’t some liberal riff-raff, these are our people and I refuse to be silent about it.” Continuing with the same theme, Simonyan cautioned: “Comrade Commanders, this is not the time for this... don’t anger the people!” The head of RT urged those involved in the process of mobilization to remember the story of the mutiny that occurred on the battleship Potemkin, sparked by the crew being fed maggot-infested meat. Simonyan exclaimed: “Let me remind you that in 1905, small things like these led to the first mutiny of an entire military unit in the history of our country. Is that what you want?” She starkly warned: “You’re toying with armed people.”


Solovyov bitterly pointed out the split in Russia’s society: “Now we see that we have two sides. One side is being sent off as heroes to a people's war, while others are cowardly looking where and how to buy a ticket.” With unconfirmed reports claiming that over a quarter of a million Russians have left the country since the mobilization was announced last week, Simonyan had a message for those who left: “Good riddance... Just remember, no one is waiting for you there. Your money will run out and then you’ll have to come back.” Solovyov revealed that approximately 300 people called asking him for advice as to whether they’ll be able to leave the country after September 27, when Russia may officially start preventing people of draft age from departing. There are reports that such measures are already being implemented at some international airports and border crossings.


Simonyan added, “It would be tremendous if the help of our civil society wasn’t needed... Partial mobilization is a forced measure. Of course, we would all prefer that it wasn’t taking place. For example, on February 24, I didn’t think that such a necessity would arise... We thought that all of this could be accomplished with much less blood and of course, we weren’t anticipating such strong resistance from NATO and the collective West. This happens in the beginning of any war: underestimating the resistance, overestimating your own force. So here we are with this partial mobilization.”


The head of RT expressed her concerns about supplying the newly drafted people with equipment, technology, and basic essentials: “Since we had to gather and send the goods to those tens of thousands that were already on the frontlines... truckloads that added up to trainloads of UAVs, body armor, socks, and the rest, will these three hundred thousand be supplied with all that they need?”


Her solution was to punish those responsible for the shortcomings and urge the rich to contribute to the war effort—an idea that has been picking up steam in Russian state media. Simonyan said, “We have many such people in our country. Right now, they have to share their wealth with those who have been mobilized and their families... I personally know hundreds, hundreds of people who wouldn’t go poor by doing that... Write me, call me, everybody knows my number... Let’s create a united front. Those who aren’t with us have left already—good riddance.”


She also had harsh words for the mothers trying to protect their children from the draft, calling their efforts shameful. Simonyan noted, “My children are small, but had I given birth to them at the right time, they would be of the draft age right now.”

But there was one person who received no blame, no questions, and no harsh words from Solovyov or Simonyan: Russian President Vladimir Putin. On the contrary, Simonyan praised Putin for taking “the heavy load of responsibility” solely upon himself. Likewise, Solovyov never criticized the very person responsible for Russia’s ill-conceived invasion of Ukraine, preferring to lay the blame on everyone else involved in the process. Referring to the mobilization criteria set forth by Putin, Solovyov said that anyone not following the mandated guidelines should be subjected to “the harshest punishment.” He added, “If someone is trying to discredit our Supreme Commander-in-Chief, I would strongly advise them not to do it.”


Having previously tweeted that RT received over seven hundred complaints pertaining to the mobilization, Simonyan promised to publicize the names of the commanders involved in problematic cases of mobilization, if the situation does not improve. Solovyov had a more radical proposal to boost the sinking morale in the country, asking, “Could we have executions by shooting?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/putins...iny?ref=scroll

[HermantheGerman]

Oh, here comes Prof Cuda to help with the righteous crusade! Real bunch of heavy hitters here.




But, u'mmm, looks like they were right.

The author of your opinion piece of crap also claimed numerous times that Putler will not start a war with Ukraine.
But, u'mmm, looks like he was wrong again and again.

The guy should stick to his roots and keep reporting about indigenous people. World politics is way over his head.

[nidhogg]

. Secondly, it is just a screenshot, so could be a fake.


.

Just to note it is not a fake:


In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia | John Pilger | The Guardian

[Shutree]

Just to note it is not a fake:

Of course not, The Grauniad is always free to publish pieces with a contrary perspective. And I am free to ignore them.

First, did you see the date?



Maybe I can rewrite it for him?

In Ukraine, Russia is dragging us towards war
Shutree
Moscow's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the Donbas's separatists, has huge implications for the rest of the world

[HermantheGerman]

Of course not, The Grauniad is always free to publish pieces with a contrary perspective. And I am free to ignore them.
First, did you see the date?

Maybe I can rewrite it for him?

The guy is an idiot. You need to rewrite a lot of his crap.

[nidhogg]

Of course not, The Grauniad is always free to publish pieces with a contrary perspective. And I am free to ignore them.

First, did you see the date?

My only aim was to address whether the article was a fake or a product of photoshop.

I made no other comment on the article whatso ever.

And yes - I did see the date, it was part of the search strategy I used to find the article.

[bsnub]

Just to note it is not a fake

At least we can now see the author's name of this opinion piece. John Pilger. It just shows how long this clown has been shilling for the Russians. No wonder Sabang did not want to post the article. Total shit.

‘This is a war of propaganda’: John Pilger on Ukraine and Assange : ukraine

[sabang]

Oh but I did, and ultimately I would have. Just waiting to see who would cotton on- it's as easy as falling off a log. How appropriate that it was niddy, not one of the boneheads. Pilger strikes again! He, among others, was warning about this for years.

[harrybarracuda]

Oh but I did, and ultimately I would have. Just waiting to see who would cotton on- it's as easy as falling off a log. How appropriate that it was niddy, not one of the boneheads. Pilger strikes again! He, among others, was warning about this for years.

He's just another seppo hating, bitter, old putin stooge. Of course you would lap up his shit.

[sabang]

Whatever he is and whatever he isn't- he was proven right (again)! The same warnings were being issued by Henry Kissinger, Jack Matlock, John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs and numerous other people. Strange bedfellows, united only by common sense. The odious, pigheaded neocons- so full of their own bullshit and hubris- failed to listen, and landed us in yet another debacle. Get rid of them.

[harrybarracuda]

Whatever he is and whatever he isn't- he was proven right (again)! The same warnings were being issued by Henry Kissinger, Jack Matlock, John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs and numerous other people. Strange bedfellows, united only by common sense. The odious, pigheaded neocons- so full of their own bullshit and hubris- failed to listen, and landed us in yet another debacle. Get rid of them.

"Proven right"

Still trying to blame everyone else when it was Putin that invaded Ukraine.

You really are a thicko.