Ukraine war mega thread

[Norton]

Zelenskij making new friends ?

He should be because his current No Action, Talk Only bunch need to do exactly what he is asking for. Fuck Putin and his succesion of lies. He wants a war, give it to him. Establish a no fly zone, send the Ukraine more weapons and hammer Russia with more sanctions.

All this should have been done years ago btw.

[sabang]

Combating Nazism just seems a bit…limited in the big picture.

Sure- it's a bit like them WMD's kitty- a pretext, although in this case not an outright porkie. Demilitarising/ weaponising and keeping Ukraine neutral is the real cassus belli here I reckon.

[Backspin]

Member of the Ukrainian negotiation team was assassinated by the Ukrainian security service with 2 shots to the chest. The neo Nazi hardliners don't want negotiations https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500217147339034628/photo/1

[OhOh]

You don't see any similarities?

NaGastan regime change effort - failed, Russia assisted resistance - success, NaGastan and NATO invade - shock and awe failed, failure to deliver success - failed, NaGastan runs away (its support), the democratically elected government remain in power xxx years, Russia and its allies give ongoing support.

Both to protect Russian sovereignty.

Maybe I am still a dreamer:

[panama hat]

Either way, I think he is not using his airforce because it is probably not necessary for this scenario.

I agree . . .

[Norton]

Demilitarising/ weaponising and keeping Ukraine neutral is the real cassus belli here I reckon

Making it a de facto Russian vassal like Belarus is what I reckon. Ask Putin. Nvm, asked and answered.

[misskit]

^ Yes.

[pickel]

Sure- it's a bit like them WMD's kitty- a pretext, although in this case not an outright porkie. Demilitarising/ weaponising and keeping Ukraine neutral is the real cassus belli here I reckon.

And if he goes after the Baltics, what will be the fabricated pretext then? Are you reserving space in your memory bank for the expected talking points?

When they start moving their troops to the Baltic States borders and NATO says their intelligence points to an invasion, will you say it won't happen and call it Western scaremongering again? You know, like you did before this invasion?

Norton is right, it's time.

[misskit]

Member of the Ukrainian negotiation team was assassinated by the Ukrainian security service with 2 shots to the chest. The neo Nazi hardliners don't want negotiations https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500217147339034628/photo/1

Saw this morning he was shot for treason. Something he had on his telephone was the evidence. Will find the article.

[misskit]

SPY 'EXECUTED' Ukraine peace negotiator shot dead ‘defending the nation’ amid claims he was a ‘double agent’ working for Russia

MYSTERY surrounds the death of a member of Ukraine's peace delegation tonight - amid claims he may have been spying for Russia.


Officials in Ukraine said Denis Kireev, 45, a top negotiator, was killed during an operation.

However, it's since been suggested that he committed "treason" - with both Russian and Ukrainian sources making the claim.


News broke when Ukraine's ministry of defence revealed he was one of three spies to lose their lives "during the performance of special tasks".


Rumours then quickly began circulating which claimed Ukraine executed Mr Kireev because he was spying for Putin's aggressors.


Russia claimed the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) shot him during an arrest attempt.


Ukrainian outlets are now reporting the same claims - lending them credence.


Gory photographs posted online show Mr Kireev dead in a pool of blood.


Uncorroborated sources claim he was "literally executed" in the centre of Kyiv.

Ukraine peace negotiator shot dead '''defending the nation''' amid claims he was a '''double agent''' working for Russia

[misskit]

^ Details: According to interlocutors in political circles, the Security Service of Ukraine had solid evidence of Kireyev's treason, including recordings of telephone conversations.

Security Service of Ukraine shoots Ukrainian negotiator suspected of treason in Gomel | Ukrayinska Pravda

[Buckaroo Banzai]

It's incorrect. The war happened for the same reason any US president would go to war if the Chinese were building naval bases on Vancouver island. While the US navys only warm water port was at Point Roberts.

The civilian population always thinks wars are about resources. They aren't. Why did Chinese oil companies get the majority of the oil in Iraq ? Because the US didn't want it. Resource extraction is not a get rich quick scheme anymore. It's the opposite. It's capital intensive and fraught with risk.

These are reasons not the morality of their application. Value judgments pertain to the morality of an action rather than the reasons for it.
Most wars , if not all, are for the control of recourses, how those recourses are distributed is irrelevant, who controls the distribution and the leverages such control affords is the issue.
Russia controls a large part of the distribution of natural gas in Europe and as such exercises a certain level of leverage towards achieving and maintaining her goals.
The discovery of the new fields in the territorial waters of Ukraine and Crimea and who controls them is at the crux of this conflict, everything else is noise and a distraction, engaged by both sides.
Control of those fields by Russia is leverage against the west, and the control of them by the west is leverage against Russia.
So which part of what I said above do you dispute and how?

[david44]

A Polish news site aimed at Belarus claim SFB "spy" on Ukrainian negotiating team dead , some claim asassinated.

A murky plot.

An English version here, been all over net 24 hours but not RT,BBC ?

Ukrainian media: Member of team negotiating with Russia killed | Al Mayadeen English


Ukrainian media: Member of team negotiating with Russia killed

Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiating delegation with Russia, was killed while in Ukrainian authorities' custody after arresting him for accusations of treason.

The source is offline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obozrevatel#Popularity

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• Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiating delegation with Russia

Ukrainian media have reported the killing of Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiating delegation with Russia, during an attempt to arrest him by the Ukrainian security forces on Saturday.
According to Ukrainian media reports and MP Oleksandr Dubinsky, on his Telegram channel, Kireev may have shown resistance during his arrest by Ukrainian authorities, which led to his death.
The reports suggested that the attempted arrest was based on suspicion of high treason, however, no official information or comments have been released as of yet.
Ukrainian negotiator who participated in the first Gomel meeting, Denis Kireev, was killed during the arrest by the Ukrainian Security Service, and he is suspected of treason, the Ukrainian newspaper, Obozrevatel, reported quoting an unnamed source.
Belarusian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Anatoly Glaz said Thursday the negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations have started.
Glaz noted that the members of the two delegations shook hands before starting the talks.
The Russian-Ukrainian negotiations began in Belarus on Monday, after the Ukrainian delegation arrived Sunday in Gomel, Belarus.

[Backspin]

And if he goes after the Baltics, what will be the fabricated pretext then? Are you reserving space in your memory bank for the expected talking points?

When they start moving their troops to the Baltic States borders and NATO says their intelligence points to an invasion, will you say it won't happen and call it Western scaremongering again? You know, like you did before this invasion?

Norton is right, it's time.

Bullisht "domino theory" argument. Since the Bucharest summit in 2008, 15 years ago , Russia has been saying Ukraine is the red line. Not the Baltics, not Finland , not anything

And to think the US can establish a no fly zone in the same air space that Russia has already made a no fly zone is delusional. If it was that easy , Assad would not be in power in Syria anymore.

[misskit]

Putin apologists. Imagine that.


Europe's far right in quagmire over Ukraine war and Putin links

Berlin: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has plunged far-right movements across Europe into an identity crisis, as they struggle to square their loyalty to Vladimir Putin with the public’s overwhelming solidarity with Kyiv.


From Germany to France to Italy, extremist groups have condemned the assault, but some have in the same breath championed President Putin’s line of blaming the West for triggering the conflict in the first place.

“When someone attacks, it is clear that we must be on the side of the one that was attacked,” said Matteo Salvini of Italy’s far-right Northern League, who has in the past openly declared his admiration for Putin.


France’s Marine Le Pen has also joined the chorus of condemnation of Russia violating international law.


Openly denouncing the violence in Ukraine is in sync with the rest of the political spectrum and, most importantly, in line with pro-Ukrainian public opinion, said Hajo Funke, political scientist at the Free University of Berlin.

But that’s where the similarities end.


When it comes to an analysis of the responsibilities of the war, far-right parties appear to be singing from Putin’s hymn sheet.


– NATO to blame? –


Alice Weidel, head of Germany’s far-right AfD party, has denounced the “historical failure” of the West, accusing it of offering Ukraine a perspective of joining NATO rather than pushing for the country to be a neutral buffer nation between the alliance and Russia.


Likewise, Eric Zemmour, another far-right candidate in France’s presidential elections in April, charged that while “Putin is the guilty one, those responsible are in NATO which has not stopped expanding”.


Zemmour had in 2018 said he wished there could be a “French Putin” in France.


The parties are aligned with “the Russian position that the conflict should not be attributed exclusively to Vladimir Putin but rather to a great extent to the West”, Wolfgang Schroeder of the University of Kassel told AFP.


Kyriakos Velopoulos of the small nationalist Greek Solution party also rejects the West’s argument that Russia had sparked an unprovoked war as it was never under threat.


“Then what is NATO doing on (Russia’s) borders?” he retorted.


“The way I see it, Russia didn’t have much of a choice,” said Dutch extremist Thierry Baudet of the Forum for Democracy formation, drawing fire from other parties which accused him of disseminating Russian propaganda.


At the same time, with public opinion overwhelmingly against Putin, far-right figures who over the years cultivated close links with the Kremlin chief are seeking to distance themselves.


– Contradictions –


Today’s Putin is “not the one” who received her in Moscow in 2017, Le Pen said, after she came under heavy fire over a photo immortalising their meeting that features in election campaign leaflets printed ahead of the war.


“The European far right is trapped between its own radical and neo-fascist ideology, which they share with Putin,” and the risk of losing its influence in public opinion, said Funke.


The stakes are particularly high for Le Pen and Zemmour in the run-up to France’s April elections, as opinion polls show they could scoop about a third of the votes.


In another apparent contradiction, several deeply anti-migrant parties like Le Pen’s National Rally, Germany’s AfD, Spain’s Vox and a splinter of FPOe in Austria have said they were open to welcoming Ukrainian refugees.


Yet the far-right parties could still find resonance with the public as the salvo of unprecedented economic sanctions imposed on Russia ricochets on Western allies.


Germany on Thursday acknowledged that it expects a “big impact” on its economy.


“In the long term, it is not impossible that the AfD benefits,” said Schroeder, noting that the party which has morphed from an anti-euro outfit to an anti-immigrant party could still reposition itself as the “protector of the common man”.


Europe's far right in quagmire over Ukraine war and Putin links | The Japan Times

[pickel]

Bullisht "domino theory" argument. Since the Bucharest summit in 2008, 15 years ago , Russia has been saying Ukraine is the red line. Not the Baltics, not Finland , not anything

Two weeks ago they said they wouldn't invade Ukraine. Nobody believes Russia anymore you idiot. And with good reason.

[Switch]

Sanctions are obviously hurting Putin’s War. Instead of ignoring them as worthless, he is threatening reprisals against them. All he can do is double the price of gas, making supply lines more vulnerable, or double interest rates for the Rouble again, hurting people back home, who’s support he relies on. His stability in the war he has chosen to fight, is undermined by the intransigence of the Ukrainians he wishes to rule over.

Putin continues to make bad choices in his pointless war.

[Backspin]

They are very much employing the same insurgency techniques as they Syria. Ceasefires and humanitarian corridors.

Aleppo siege: More corridors to be opened, says Russia - CNN

Ukraine, Russia Agree to Humanitarian Corridors in Some Areas | World Report | US News

[Iceman123]

That was 4 days ago, it hasn’t worked.

I think it’s fine for you to share your opinion but for fuck’s sake keep up!

[OhOh]

RUSSIA UKRAINE 2

On March 4, 2022 By Patrick ArmstrongIn Uncategorized

ACTICS, STRATEGY AND OPERATIONS

"So far the Russian military operation in Ukraine has been a reconnaissance in force preceded by the destruction of the supplies and headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by standoff weapons. The object being to suss out where the Ukrainian forces are, to surround them, to check existing Russian intelligence against reality and, at the same time, destroy known headquarters, air and naval assets, supplies and ammunition depots. And, perhaps, there was the hope that the speed and success (Russian/LDPR forces dominated an area of Ukraine about the size of the United Kingdom in the first week) would force an early end (aka recognition of reality).

At the moment they are readying for the next phase. The long column that so obsessed the “experts” on CNN is the preparation for the next phase. And that is this: “You didn’t get the hint, so now we have to hit you”. The fact that the column has been sitting there indicates that the Russians know they have complete air superiority. Secondly it is a message to the Ukrainian armed forces that it’s over, give up. (And one should never forget that the Russians/Soviets have always been the best at strategic deception, so who knows what’s actually there versus what the images show?)

As far as I can see they’ve created three cauldrons (encirclements). Probably the most important one is the one around Mariupol where the main concentration of Azov, the principal nazi force, is. Another is being established around the main concentration of the Ukrainian Armed Forces facing LDPR. And there appears to be another developing to the east of Kiev. A super cauldron of all three is visible. The nazis will be exterminated; the ordinary Ukrainian soldier will be allowed to go home. The nightmare question is how many ordinary Ukrainians will be free to choose.

The dilemma for the Russians is city fighting. They do not want to have a Raqqa in which every building is destroyed, every person killed and solitudinem is declared to be pax. They know that at the end of the day there will still be Ukrainians and they will want them to be friends: Washington can create solitudes far away, but Moscow cannot create them nearby. This greatly complicates their problem when they try to clear the nazis out of Mariupol knowing that the nazis are using the city’s people as hostages. The same problem exists, to a lesser degree, in the other cities of Novorossiya. My guess is they will surround most cities and hope that Zelinsky & Co come to their senses. But I fear that the Mariupol battle will be horrible.
There are some slight indications, on Day 8, that Ukrainian negotiators are realising that neutrality is something they have to agree to. I also see the realisation creeping up on the American side.
The ultimate Russian aim is not visible. By this I mean the ultimate strategic aim; we know what the grand strategic aim is. Are the Russians planning to create a Novorossiya which will be independent or are they aiming to create a Novorossiya which will be a bargaining chip with rump Ukraine? I think the answer depends on what Zelinsky and Kiev (and the locals) decide. In about a week’s time, an independent Novorossiya will exist and Russia will continue to have the hammer.

I would expect large-scale surrenders of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to begin in the next 24/48 hours (Chechen forces already claim one and have an impressive collection of “trophies” to prove it). A significant proportion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is now surrounded and, as is usual (vide Sun Tsu) the Russians have left them an exit.

GRAND STRATEGY

The impotence of the EU and NATO is clear to everyone (Well, OK, not anyone on CNN, or in the US Congress or in the halls of power in the West. But they are not the whole world). In this respect, I recommend watching Riyadh – Abdul Aziz was very good at seeing how the wind blew and one can assume his descendents are too.
The 97, or whatever they were, fighter planes that were excitedly announced, are obviously not coming. The no fly zone can’t be “declared”. The Chechens have picked up a lot of MANPADs that NATO supplied. All that NATO support will get you is destruction when you fight the war it suckered you into and an extra special Christmas card when you’re defeated and ruined.

We are seeing the collapse of post Cold War triumphalism, “end of history”, “unilateralism” and all the rest of it. Reality is biting, and biting hard. All you have to do is watch CNN’s parade of talking heads and “experts” speculating about how crazy Putin is: they don’t understand, therefore he must be nuts. For the West, as it has been, it’s over. The confusion, the bullshit, the boasting, the hysteria, the bans: the West has nothing left in the locker. Pour Russian vodka down the toilet, fire a singer and director, change the name of a drink or a salad, ban cats or trees, sanction a Russian plutocrat and steal his yacht, wear a blue and yellow t-shirt. Pathetic. And don’t, under any circumstances, allow a Russian outlet to tempt the sheeple with “disinformation”. Just like the USSR but stupider. And who thought stupider was even possible?

Judo is about deception and using the opponent’s strength against him. Putin, the judoka, has judoed the West into suicide. Put your money in our banks, we can confiscate it; put your assets in our territory, we can steal them; use our money and we can cancel it; put your yacht in our harbour, we can pirate it; put your gold in our vault, we can grab it. That is a lesson that will resound around the world. A naked illustration that the “rules-based international order” is simply that we make the rules and order you to obey them. In 2 or 3 weeks everybody in the world who is on the potential Western hit list will have moved his assets out of the reach of the West. Xi will permit himself a small smile.

As to Western sanctions against Russia, I think there’s a very simple answer to that: last week 1000 cubic metres of gas cost $1,000; today it’s over twice that. Next week it certainly won’t be cheaper. Ditto for aluminum, potash, titanium, wheat. Russian airlines lease their planes; now what? Russian rocket motors. What the people in the West do not understand is the ruble is the currency the Russians use inside the country but the price of oil and gas is the Russian currency outside the country. I am astounded at the stupidity: they’re cutting their own throats and destroying their own economies.

Russia sits back and laughs: fly into space on your own broomstick.

The world order has changed. Week Two. "

RUSSIA UKRAINE 2 – Russia Observer

[NamPikToot]

They are very much employing the same insurgency techniques as they Syria. Ceasefires and humanitarian corridors.

Except the Russians were still firing in Mariupol when the ceasefire was supposed to be in place, as with most things Russian you cannot believe what they say or trust them and that comes from the top down.

[OhOh]

Two weeks ago they said they wouldn't invade Ukraine.

Two weeks ago, the Ukraine leader wasn't demanding nuclear weapons. Possible trigger.

Nobody believes Russia anymore

Do you believe any other countries leaders? If so, which ones?

the ceasefire

One may ask, have you seen the ceasefire document, do you have a link, from both countries?. Was the ceasefire including all the city, or limited to the agreed evacuation routes?

What evidence have you that Russia broke the ceasefire, not the Ukrainian army, and Russia attacked the agreed evacuation routes?

[OhOh]

In this particular twist, the Russian Foreign Minister.



Russia hits back on “sanctions from hell”

Posted on March 5, 2022 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

"An innocuous tweet from Russia’s Permanent Representative to International Organisations in Vienna Mikhail Ulyanov earlier today in the afternoon said that he met with the EU Coordinator at the Vienna talks on Iran nuclear issue Enrique Mora and “raised a number of questions which need to be duly addressed now in order to ensure smooth civil nuclear cooperation with Iran.” A couple of hours later, he again tweeted, “The #ViennaTalks continue. I had today a useful meeting with Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran for Economic Diplomacy Mr. Mehdi Safari.”

Other reports suggest that Russia has put forth a new demand at Vienna that its trade, investment and military cooperation with Iran would not be hindered by US sanctions. Russia seeks written guarantees in this regard at the highest level from the Biden administration. Apparently, Russia put forth this demand a couple of days back.

A few hours ago in the evening, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov confirmed this development. Disclosing this at a press conference in Moscow, Lavrov explained that against the backdrop of the latest western sanctions, Russia wants to have a “very clear answer” from the US in the context of bilateral Moscow-Tehran relations and the Iranian nuclear deal.

In Lavrov’s words, “We need guarantees these sanctions will in no way affect the trading, economic and investment relations contained in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action for the Iranian nuclear program. We have asked the American counterparts, who rule the roost here, to provide us with guarantees at least at the level of the secretary of state [that] the current process launched by the United States will by no means affect our right to free and full-fledged trading, economic, investment, military and technical cooperation with Iran.” [Emphasis added.]

Furthermore, Lavrov also openly backed remaining Iran’s demands, saying that Tehran’s expectations are “quite fair.” Whether Lavrov spoke in consultation with Tehran, we don’t know.
The development comes as the 8th round of negotiations on the restoration of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and the United States’ return to the fold of that multilateral agreement is nearing completion. The negotiators are working on a draft final document. Iran and the IAEA also agreed today on a roadmap with the UN nuclear watchdog to resolve all outstanding questions about the country’s nuclear program by late June, which removes one big stumbling block.

Lavrov calmly pointed out that the sanctions on Russia create a “problem” from Moscow’s perspective. He noted sarcastically, “It would have all been fine, but that avalanche of aggressive sanctions that have erupted from the West — and which I understand has not yet stopped — demand additional understanding by lawyers, above all.”

So, Lavrov insisted: “We want an answer — a very clear answer — we need a guarantee that these [US] sanctions will not in any way touch the regime of trade-economic and investment relations which is laid down in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.”

On Iran’s part, Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian had told EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell only yesterday, “I am ready to fly to Vienna when the Western sides accept our remaining red lines… We are ready to finalise a good and immediate agreement. Most of Iran’s requests have been considered.”

But today, the most anxious person to clinch the deal at Vienna is none other than President Joe Biden himself. After derailing the Russia-Europe energy relationship, Biden is witnessing that the prices for gas are skyrocketing in Europe, and Washington has no solutions to the grave situation that is developing. The spot market price for gas has zoomed to 8 times the price at which Russia had been supplying Germany. (Russia has announced that w.e.f Thursday, it has shut down the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline which is the trunk route transporting gas to German market.)

On the whole, the situation in the energy market is becoming very complicated, as western oil companies which had invested in Russia are forced to quit due to the sanctions. These include big players such as BP which has a 20-percent stake in Russian giant Rosneft, Shell with 27.5 percent stake in the Sakhalin-II LNG facility and a 50 percent stake in the Salym Petroleum Development, ExxonMobil (Sakhalin-1) and so on.

Apart from the impairment these companies will suffer running into tens of billions of dollars, their exit will also strain Russia’s ability to maintain such high production levels and continue to meet its commitments under the OPEC+ agreement. Now, the already-tight global market for crude – which saw Brent crude top $115 per barrel in early Thursday trading – can ill-afford these downstream hits from the sanctions against Russia. Evidently, crude prices still have nowhere to go but up from here. Expert opinion is that if oil price touches $125 per barrel, US economy slides into recession.

Russia has not so far made any direct indications that it will restrict energy exports, though the rhetoric is heating up. Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Belousov warned on Friday that western companies, including energy firms, that are ditching Russia will be considered pushing their Russian subsidiaries to “deliberate bankruptcy,” which under Russian law draws criminal prosecution.
To solve Europe’s problem of high prices, Biden recently swallowed pride and mentioned buying cheap Iranian oil as a response. Western analysts opine that Biden is in a mood to appease the “Iranian hawks” at Vienna. That is to say, US desperately needs both a lucrative energy deal and Iranian cooperation in Vienna. Israeli observers are apprehensive that the Biden administration might go ahead with easing or lifting restrictions on Iranian oil exports even without signing the Vienna agreements!

One big reason behind this panic is that the Biden administration is profoundly concerned about the strong growth of motor fuel prices in the US lately. But on the other hand, any visible US appeasement of Iran at this critical stage will be a sign of weakness, and, surely, Biden will come up for trenchant criticism in the domestic opinion.

Indeed, Lavrov has factored in all these developments while demanding that “at least” Antony Blinken should give a written guarantee. Moscow is paying back for Blinken’s boorishness. Of course, it will be a devastating loss of face for Biden to cave in publicly. Of course, the most awful thing will be that it is not only precedent setting but makes a complete mockery of America’s weaponisation of the dollar!

Europeans too must be wondering what is going on. They have passively sacrificed self-interests vis-a-vis Russia on the basis of Biden’s demands! Nord Stream 2 stands abandoned!

This is going to be a catch-22 situation. For, Russia’s green signal is an imperative for the JCPOA deal to be approved within the framework the joint commission of Iran and the international quintet (Russia, Britain, Germany, China and France.) Besides, Iran will surely expect a formal approval for any deal from the UN Security Council.

On the other hand, if the negotiations at Vienna get prolonged, Iran’s enrichment activities at the accelerated pace will continue and a point of no return may be reached very soon, in a matter of weeks at the most, which will put the Biden administration in an even bigger bind, as the spectre of a nuclear Iran haunts West Asia and Europe.

To be sure, the blowback to the US sanctions has begun. This is of course only the beginning. Trust Russia to go further and further up on the escalation ladder. Russia would have no conceivable reason to cooperate with the US from now onward. (See my blog Ukraine sparks EU, US rush to Iran deal, March 1, 2022)

However, if the chronicle of Russian-American relations is anything to go by, trust Biden to start making entreaties using back channels to Moscow.

Actually, in response to a question at a press briefing in Moscow today evening about the current state of Russia-US relations in view of the developments in Ukraine and the pressure of sanctions, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov remarked cryptically that “We are maintaining certain channels of a dialogue with the United States.” He didn’t elaborate.

Moscow Kremlin has demanded from Biden or Blinken a waiver of sanctions to allow Iran deal to go through.

Russia hits back on “sanctions from hell” - Indian Punchline

[Iceman123]

He should be because his current No Action, Talk Only bunch need to do exactly what he is asking for. Fuck Putin and his succesion of lies. He wants a war, give it to him. Establish a no fly zone, send the Ukraine more weapons and hammer Russia with more sanctions.

All this should have been done years ago btw.

Well said!!

An independent sovereign country being attacked asks for a no fly zone. Perfectly reasonable precedent is on their side.

The mealy mouthed so called allies have turned their backs. Frightened of an escalation and allowing Russia free reign to obliterate a peaceful democracy.

Study your history, Putin has had his Austria, he has had his Sudetenland, for Ukraine read Poland.

Cometh the hour cometh the man - Zelensky is a true hero, let’s hope we do better than give him one minutes silence when he is murdered by the forces of evil. He needs help to defeat an enemy that we will surely have to address sooner or later.

Fuck the bully’s threats, sanctions are good but a NATO Air Force protecting the Ukranian skies is where we should be right now.

[OhOh]

The Ripple of Invasion

By Michael Friday, March 4, 2022

"The west’s massive sanctions war against Russia is having a profound impact on the global economy. Instead of just punishing Russian citizens, consumers in the west and the developing world will also experience economic pain. Globalization itself is being interrupted. The Great Separation is upon us. CrossTalking with Daniel Lazare, Michael Hudson, and Brad Blankenship.

Photo by Grisha Grishkoff from Pexels"