Ukraine war mega thread

[panama hat]

If you really did, they sure as shit wouldn’t be sharing intel with you!

Our SAS man already stated his MI5/6 'friends' share thinsgs with him . . . but also that they 'could be wrong'.

Thanks for repeating what i said, and your point is?

I didn't. Read again . . . Try. Try hard.

You: "there is no guarantee Putin will further his ambitions once he's consolidated."

My response: "There is no guarantee irrespective of what the situation is with Putin."


English . . . it's YOUR mother tongue. Try.

The US would be far better off if it used it's considerable economic power and military power as a perk to gain allies rather than a threat.

Absolutely

[sabang]

It certainly leaves absolutely no doubt that this is a proxy war US vs. Russia- and as we all know, the Ukrainian cannon fodder is losing. I guess Ukrainian (and obviously Russian) lives are just chaff to the neocons, but I would have thought that the average US taxpayer can think of better uses for the US$60bn+ thrown at this futile, bloody exercise than this. That is even without counting the human and economic toll.

[misskit]

Share of international arms exports


United States 39%
Russia 19%
France 11%

One would think Putin would have thought about lost money and lives before he started this war. What a waste.

[panama hat]

One would think Putin would have thought about lost money and lives before he started this war.

It's still a mystery to most why he invaded Ukraine in the first place.

[misskit]

^Egotism.

[bsnub]

It's still a mystery to most why he invaded Ukraine in the first place.

Clearly he thought the war would be over in three days via the "lightning strike" on Kyiv, and I bet he was utterly shocked when the Russian army was defeated and forced to retreat. He had dreams of reconstituting the old USSR with him as its champion and the new USSR on equal footing with the US and China. So far it is failing miserably. Even if he takes more of Ukraine, he has already lost. His economy and army will be in tatters for decades.

[sabang]

The last 'apartment block' turned out to be an Officers mess. Highly damaging strike, too.

[harrybarracuda]

The last 'apartment block' turned out to be an Officers mess. Highly damaging strike, too.

Where did you get that from, TASS or Pravda?

[kingwilly]

The last 'apartment block' turned out to be an Officers mess. Highly damaging strike, too.

Making up shit, and justifying war crimes, as per usual.

[OhOh]

Col Doug Macgregor - Ukraine Russia latest

47,803 views Streamed live 12 hours ago

[bsnub]

Col Doug Macgregor

Nice source, OhDoh you complete idiot. Macgregor is a Russian shill who happens to be completely full of shit. Anyone that watches that is flat out wasting their time because everything he says is utter bullshit.

[Iceman123]

Nice source, OhDoh you complete idiot. Macgregor is a Russian shill who happens to be completely full of shit. Anyone that watches that is flat out wasting their time because everything he says is utter bullshit.

Having looked at his career and accomplishments, it appears he has a very valid well thought out arguments.

Now before you go off on one of your puerile rants again, have a listen and attack the post if you so desire but not the poster.

[sabang]

Macgregor is a Russian shill

Britain’s Ministry of Defence said

[bsnub]

Having looked at his career and accomplishments, it appears he has a very valid well thought out arguments.

Oh, another one of the stooges, I guess it is now four. He supported the invasion and frequently appears on Russian state television, shilling for Putin. He is also a trumpanzee who shills on Fox News as well. I can see why you would think his arguments are well-thought-out. You are an idiot.

Now before you go off on one of your puerile rants again, have a listen and attack the post if you so desire but not the poster.

Fuck off, Ohdoh has a long history on this forum as a sock puppet stooge for China and Russia. The other Three Stooges welcome your arrival. The clown car just got bigger.

[sabang]

For those who think that the United States is pumping Ukraine with weapons for the sake of democracy and Ukrainian interests. I will share interesting information with you.The Australian edition of The National Review writes that three large American transnational consortia bought up … 17 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land.For comparison: in the whole of Italy there are 16.7 million hectares of agricultural land. So it turns out that three American companies bought more useful agricultural land in Ukraine than there is in all of Italy.The entire area of Ukraine is 600,000 sq. km, 170,000 sq. km have been bought.Cargill, Dupont and Monsanto are the latter officially German-Australian, but with American capital. Their main shareholders are American Vanguard, BlackRock and Blackstone.BlackRock is a fund that manages $10 trillion in assets, Vanguard manages $6 trillion, Blackstone manages $881 billion. So the famine, apparently, the planet has already been discharged.


https://www.australiannationalreview.com/lifestyle/th..
Australian National Review – Three Large American Multinationals Bought 17 Million Hectares of Ukraiwww.australiannationalreview.com


Surprises nobody, right?



^ Everyone looks down on the Boneheads.

[bsnub]

Fox News’ Invasion Expert Is a Trump-Appointed Putin Propagandist Who Thinks Russia Is Being ‘Too Gentle’


Tucker Carlson has been a little confused about how to respond to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He’s long praised Vladimir Putin and even said the other year that he was rooting for him against Ukraine. Putin has since waged a war that has resulted in thousands of deaths, muddling Carlson’s messaging. The Fox News host last month called the invasion “horrifying” and a “tragedy” for which Putin is “to blame,” before wondering how the U.S. should respond.

He’s turned to Douglas MacGregor — a former Army colonel and Trump appointee with a history of racism — to help answer that question and generally make sense of what’s happening overseas.

McGregor has been popping up on various Fox News programs since the invasion, mostly to shill for Putin at a time when he’s unleashing hell on one of America’s allies. He did so again Monday night, arguing on Tucker Carlson Tonight that slapping sanctions on Russia is useless. “The sanctions … will do a lot of damage to us,” he told Carlson. “They’re not going to make much difference to Russia. China will stand with Russia. It knows it has to. Russia has an abundance of food and energy. China will take it all. Russia will not suffer as a result of our sanctions. In fact, it may break down the financial system that we have set up to punish everyone in the world we don’t like.”

Macgregor: Russia will not suffer as a result of our sanctions pic.twitter.com/gewaMXQfBW
— Acyn (@Acyn) March 8, 2022

JPMorgan estimated recently that Russia’s GDP will decline by 12 percent, that the country’s exports will decline by 13 percent. “What is clear … is that Russia’s growing economic and political isolation will lead to lower growth in the long run,” said Anatoliy Shal, an economist at JPMorgan.

MacGregor’s appearance on Monday comes just days after he told Stuart Varney of Fox Business that Russia’s forces were “too gentle” during the first days of the invasion, that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is a “puppet” who shouldn’t be resisting Russia’s incursion, and that everything that’s been coming out of Ukraine is propaganda.

Varney could barely believe what he was hearing. “I’m inclined to disagree with you, Colonel,” he said.

US Colonel MacGregor says:
1)Russian army was “too gentle”, but now “will complete everything” within 10 days
2)Zelenskyy is “delusional” & a “puppet”. He should’ve kept Ukraine neutral instead of trying to join NATO
3)Almost all Ukrainian claims are propaganda pic.twitter.com/69oAHQ5m31
— Alexei Arora (@AlexeiArora) March 5, 2022

Varney shouldn’t have been so surprised. A few days earlier, Macgregor said on Fox News that America needs to stop demonizing Putin and refrain from sending any aid to Ukraine. When he was asked if America should just let Russia take whatever it wants from Ukraine, Macgregor said “absolutely,” adding that it shouldn’t be a big deal because “the population there is indistinguishable from their own.”

Former Trump Advisor Douglas MacGregor says we need to stop demonizing Putin, lift all sanctions, stop providing weapons and aid, that it’s “hopeless,” and just let Putin take whatever part of Ukraine that he wants. pic.twitter.com/HBnLWVdVgD
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 28, 2022

Macgregor is about as pro-Putin as it gets, and, unlike others in the Republican Party, hasn’t backed off as the authoritarian has invaded a neighboring democracy. Nevertheless, Carlson introduced him last week as an “honest man,” after which Macgregor pushed more Putin propaganda, arguing he is simply trying to prevent “further attempts to influence or change Ukraine into effectively a platform for the projection of U.S. and Western power into Russia.”

His subsequent comments about Russia being “too gentle” — which Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) used to highlight the “Putin wing of the GOP” — didn’t dissuade Carlson from having him on again on Monday. His argument against sanctioning Russia is basically another way of saying Putin should be able to do whatever it wants to Ukraine.

Macgregor isn’t just a Putin apologist, either. He’s a staunch anti-interventionist to the point that, like former President Trump, he’s questioned America’s participation in NATO, the West’s primary military counterbalance against Russia. In a 2016 presentation his group delivered to the Command General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Macgregor wrote that “old alliances like NATO may vanish,” and argued that it’s “time to reexamine U.S. investment in ‘allies’ that are doing too little to secure their own sovereign interests,” noting that the “Cold War ended 27 years ago.”

I just dug up an old presentation by Douglas Macgregor, Tucker's favorite analyst on the Russian invasion. He's been forecasting — and banging the drum for — the death of NATO for quite a while. More here: https://t.co/3V66QC8uqQ pic.twitter.com/ZYtsMCikNu
— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) March 8, 2022

Media Matters recently dug into his past appearances on Fox News, including several on Carlson’s show, and found that Macgregor’s nationalism very much extends to immigration issues. He advocated for instituting martial law at the U.S.-Mexico border, adding that the military should “shoot people” if necessary, as CNN reported in 2020. He’s also argued that Democrats are trying to “transform the United States” by replacing white people with immigrants. Macgregor’s comments align with the Great Replacement theory, which is prevalent in white nationalist circles and is particularly associated with anti-Semitism. Macgregor has a history of trading in anti-Semitic tropes, as well. CNN reported that he has on multiple occasions claimed that U.S. support for Israel is due to the “Israeli lobby” making top officials “very, very rich.”

Carlson is also, of course, a leading proponent of the Great Replacement theory, and Media Matters notes that Trump “repeatedly” considered Macgregor for jobs in his administration after his appearances on Carlson’s show. Trump nominated him in the summer of 2020 to be the U.S. ambassador to Germany, with the White House describing him as a “decorated combat veteran, author, and a consultant,” as well as a “frequent radio and television commentator on national security affairs.” The nomination didn’t pan out after CNN reported on Macgregor’s history of racism. Trump was undeterred, though, appointing Macgregor as a Pentagon senior adviser shortly after the 2020 election.
He apparently hasn’t slipped out of the good graces of Carlson and Fox News, either.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...raine-1318143/

[misskit]

Russia’s Population Decline Hits Record Rate


Russia’s population shrank by a record average of 86,000 people a month between January and May, state statistics agency Rosstat has said.


The decline surpasses the previous record contraction of 57,000 people a month in 2002, when Russia’s population shrank to 145.3 million from nearly 146 million the previous year.

Russia’s population has fallen to 145.1 million after a decline of 430,000 people, according to Rosstat’s latest demographic report.


The rate of Russia’s population decline has almost doubled since 2021 and nearly tripled since 2020, according to The Moscow Times’ Russian service.


Russia’s population has been in near-constant decline for decades, and the coronavirus pandemic led to the country’s largest natural population decline since the end of the Soviet Union in 2021.


Rosstat’s data showed Russia’s natural population — a figure which counts registered deaths and births, excluding the effects of migration — declined by 355,000 between January and May 2022.


Despite Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that recent outside estimates say has resulted in the deaths of close to 40,000 Russian troops, the Rosstat data showed deaths declining by 36,100 compared with January-May 2021 and totaling 878,300 in January-May 2022.


Births also declined by 31,100 and totaled 523,200 over the same period.


An estimated 75,300 migrants have meanwhile left Russia, or 5,000 fewer than in January-May 2021.

Russia’s Population Decline Hits Record Rate - The Moscow Times

[bsnub]

I doubt they included the 40,000 dead Russians killed during the invasion of Ukraine.

[Iceman123]

^
It’s 3.30am in Seattle
Go to bed you drunken imbecile. You’ve posted enough shit for the day.

[bsnub]

Go to bed you drunken imbecile. You’ve posted enough shit for the day.

I am not drunk nor am I ready for bed. Nothing I posted was shit unless you are a sniveling Putin apologist.

[Takeovers]

I doubt they included the 40,000 dead Russians killed during the invasion of Ukraine.

They may have counted the hijacked children from the occupied areas on the plus side.

[misskit]

^ The same thing occurred to me as well.

[sabang]

I bet they're funneling Uyghurs into there too.

[misskit]

Hahahaha. You so funny.

Snip

Russia's TASS state news agency on Monday quoted an unnamed law enforcement official as saying that "more than 1.55 million people who arrived from the territory of Ukraine and Donbas have crossed the border with the Russian Federation. Among them, more than 254,000 children."

Exclusive: Ukraine probes deportation of children to Russia as possible genocide | Reuters

[russellsimpson]

The rate of Russia’s population decline has almost doubled since 2021 and nearly tripled since 2020, according to The Moscow Times’ Russian service.

The pandemic really does skew all the numbers in those years making the comparisons nearly meaningless. Give it a few years.

population decline since the end of the Soviet Union in 2021.

The Soviet Union ended in 2021?

All very confusing MK.