Thread: A Serious Question

Originally Posted by Marmite

Now, forced marriage is against the law of any non-stone age country

This bit of Pakland law came straight from "Qazi associates" in Walthamstow, east London!

"Whoever coerces, or in any manner whatsoever compels a woman to enter into marriage shall be punished with imprisonment for up to three years and a fine".

Chitown, I will check your replies when I get home.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by chitown

No one has offered any solutions.

You've been posting some pics and stories, but you haven't elaborated what you think the issue is here, and how Bush and America come into it. The incidences you have presented are all well outside America's jurisdiction.

It may all be blatantly obvious to you, but I am not sure what to respond to here.

Many, not all Muslims are bent on world destruction / domination. They are developing Nukes in Iran, blowing things and people up in Europe, the Mideast, North America, Asia and Africa. A problem does exsist. So how do we deal with it?

Originally Posted by chitown

Many, not all Muslims are bent on world destruction / domination.

Destruction and domination are two different things. I suspect there are few, rather than many 'bent' on either of the two - in the scheme of things.

Originally Posted by chitown

They are developing Nukes in Iran, blowing things and people up in Europe, the Mideast, North America, Asia and Africa.

To start with, I wouldn't lump all this together under the heading "Muslim".

Different issues in different places, which require different responses, some on a local, internal level, some internationally. Some involve the (perhaps) legitimate ambitions of nation-states, others are regional armed conflicts, yet others are international terrorism, some are crimes by misguided fanatics, yet others are based on antiquated cultural/religious notions which don't gel with Western mainstream culture.

Maybe that's why nobody jumped forward with a 'solution'.

The plain fact is that no Moslem nation is occupying a Christian nation.
What makes you so convinced they are hell bent on 'world domination'?
We are the ones occupying their territories, and invading their nations.

I've had a good think about this while I was at the shop & I've concluded that I am simply too dim to be able to get a case accross without it sounding like an attack on all muslims. It's the same when I bang on about immigrants & stuff like that.

I think if people gave some leeway & weren't so quick to point the racist finger, we could actually get a lot further down the line than we do, when discussing topics like this. Chitown does have a very valid point to make but isn't so good at getting it over in a way that doesn't get peoples' backs up. I do the same thing myself, sometimes.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I think if people gave some leeway & weren't so quick to point the racist finger, ...

You certainly have a thing about being called racist, which nobody has done in this thread. Do you get called this sometimes in real life?

I'd rather say you are quick in accepting and expressing cliches, stereotypes and generalisations.
Just like in the Romanian thread, turned out the folks you were ranting about were Romanian Gypsies, not 'ordinary' Romanians. It's offensive, that's why people object to it.

They weren't Romanian Gypsies, but let's not get into that now. I am quick to strereotype & such, you're right. These people are so easy to pidgeon-hole though. Anybody prepared to kill in the name of God is, stereotypically, two fingers short of a KitKat.

I think the question should be, what do we do with muslim fanatics? Not what should we do about this 'muslim problem'? I'm talking about the ones crashing planes, torching airports & trying to blow up nightclubs - full of people who have nothing to do with any of this - amongst other things.

What do we do about them?

The fact they are muslim is neither here nor there, at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I think the question should be, what do we do with muslim fanatics?

Sounds right now. The answer to this question is not that easy. To address this specific problem one need to get to the grass root level and dig it out what makes these people act the way they act.

Any idea what I am talking about?

Originally Posted by sabang

The plain fact is that no Moslem nation is occupying a Christian nation.
What makes you so convinced they are hell bent on 'world domination'?
We are the ones occupying their territories, and invading their nations.

They are occupying many countries.

The UK for one!

Here is the percentage of Muslms in these cities.

London Borough of Tower Hamlets 36.4% 71,389
London Borough of Newham 24.3% 59,293
Blackburn with Darwen 19.4% 26,674
Bradford 16.1% 75,188
London Borough of Waltham Forest 15.1% 32,902
Luton 14.6% 26,963
Birmingham 14.3% 139,771
London Borough of Hackney 13.8% 27,908
Pendle 13.4% 11,988
Slough 13.4% 15,897
London Borough of Brent 12.3% 32,290
London Borough of Redbridge 11.9% 28,487
City of Westminster 11.8% 21,346
London Borough of Camden 11.6% 22,906
London Borough of Haringey 11.3% 24,371
Oldham 11.1% 24,039
Leicester 11.0% 30,885
London Borough of Ealing 10.3% 31,033
Kirklees 10.1% 39,312

Islam is influencing everyday European life in countless ways, in everything from literature to fashion to popular culture. Mosques are mul tiplying, and Islamic schools follow in their wake. Muslim butcher shops and bakeries can be found in many major European cities. In Ireland, the first Islamic school was established in 1993, which was inaugurated by the Irish President Mrs. Jerry Robinson, who declared the establishment of the school as an important milestone in the history of the country. In Holland, a major mosque was inaugurated in November 1994 in Zondem at a cost of 750 million dollars. The Mosque, with a capacity of 1700 people, was built by the Turkish origin community.

Demography and ethnic background
According to the 2001census 1,536,015 Muslims are living in England and Wales where they form 3% of the population, in Scotland they represent 0.84% of the population (42,557). The Northern Ireland census indicated 1,943 Muslims

Muslim population of the UK:-
Total 1,546,626 3.0100%

So 3% of the poulation of the UK is moslem, of which some 14% are white moslems. This is your invasion/ occupation? You might want to ask an Iraqi or Palestinian what invasion and occupation means.

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Marmite

I'm sure it is law in Pakistan, but do they follow the secular law or their own local laws in many places?

They do follow the "jirga" (term used in Pakistan) in many place but not most. Lahore or interrior Punjab Province for that matter does not represent the whole country (165 million people). Now saying that Pakistan is a stone age country is an irresponsible statment, IMHO.

But, regardless of that, the fact that they're too scared (of their own families) to go to the police or a lawyer says that something is seriously wrong. Both these girls were just normal, nice people and it was shocking to know what had happened to them, especially when these people are supposed to be like the majority of 'normal' Muslims.

They shouldn't be forced to marry someone they never known or met. I do not know what part of interrior Punjab their parents come from (not Lahore city for sure).

Originally Posted by chitown

Islam is influencing everyday European life in countless ways, in everything from literature to fashion to popular culture. Mosques are mul tiplying, and Islamic schools follow in their wake. Muslim butcher shops and bakeries can be found in many major European cities. In Ireland, the first Islamic school was established in 1993, which was inaugurated by the Irish President Mrs. Jerry Robinson, who declared the establishment of the school as an important milestone in the history of the country. In Holland, a major mosque was inaugurated in November 1994 in Zondem at a cost of 750 million dollars. The Mosque, with a capacity of 1700 people, was built by the Turkish origin community.

Building mosques and Muslim schools is a problem? Whatever happened to freedom of religion and equal rights eh? You sound like a backward sand niggers who do not believe in rights and freedom of expression.

Originally Posted by machangezi

what makes these people act the way they act

Mental illness - delusional.

Any idea what I am talking about?

No, but that won't get in the way of me taking a wild guess - you're going to tell me it's all our fault we're in this mess?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Originally Posted by machangezi

what makes these people act the way they act

Mental illness - delusional.

Any idea what I am talking about?

No, but that won't get in the way of me taking a wild guess - you're going to tell me it's all our fault we're in this mess?

True they're brainwashed! No not your fault for being in the mess. Your fault is that you created this mess!

How do I know?

^ Re-read please as I edited the post.

I call it a night now.

Originally Posted by chitown

They are occupying many countries.

The UK for one!

Here is the percentage of Muslms in these cities.

Thanks for removing all doubt that this thread merely serves as a platform to post selective presentations of facts to fuel alarmist and anti-Muslim sentiments.

Originally Posted by sabang

Demography and ethnic background
According to the 2001census 1,536,015 Muslims are living in England and Wales where they form 3% of the population, in Scotland they represent 0.84% of the population (42,557). The Northern Ireland census indicated 1,943 Muslims

Muslim population of the UK:-
Total 1,546,626 3.0100%

So 3% of the poulation of the UK is moslem, of which some 14% are white moslems. This is your invasion/ occupation? You might want to ask an Iraqi or Palestinian what invasion and occupation means.

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When Iran starts slinging nukes toward Europe and the UK, you will all be calling for the calvary. Remember this thread when WW 3 is tearing the world apart and the Mussies are behind it.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Building mosques and Muslim schools is a problem? Whatever happened to freedom of religion and equal rights eh? You sound like a backward sand niggers who do not believe in rights and freedom of expression.

Can't equate places of religious worship and schools in the same sentence Macha. Looking at the way seperate education has nurtured sectarianism in the west of Scotland, I don't think seperate Muslim schools are a good idea.

I'm freaking bored with religion, it dosent make any sense, it only makes people fight, what is so damm important about religion ?? does it really matter....I find no comfort in religion, only misery.

Originally Posted by chitown

When Iran starts slinging nukes toward Europe and the UK, you will all be calling for the calvary.

Why would they do this, since they already occupy the place?