Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Troy

Hey up....the EU doomsayer is back.

And here's my next prediction for you to chuckle over; it will take time, won't happen overnight, but while the EU implodes, that is, when even you and the other victims of denial concede it ain't going quite right, you will blame Brexit or global warming rather than confess that you overlooked the inherent structural defects that is bringing about its demise.

Staple this to your forehead for when it happens.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-confidence-vote-meaningful-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8718806.html

“If Tory Remainers threaten to join a no-confidence vote, the PM should use her power to set the date of the election. And she should set it for 4 April, after Brexit happens. There would be nothing parliament could do.”
Under the 2011 Fixed-term Parliaments Act the prime minister can be forced into an early election if MPs pass a motion saying that “this house has no confidence in Her Majesty’s government”.


In part 2, subsection 7, it states that “the polling day for the election is to be the day appointed by Her Majesty by proclamation on the recommendation of the prime minister”.
The cabinet source pointed out that while parliament is dissolved during an election campaign, the government still exists, and the civil service can still carry out pre-existing policies.
Such an extraordinary move would be likely to cause resignations from the cabinet, with Amber Rudd, Greg Clark and David Gauke having indicating that they would not stand for a no-deal Brexit.
But asked what Ms May should do if ministers opted to resign, the cabinet minister told The Independent said: “Say bye bye.

Let's wait for Tuesday and the result of the vote. If the Government lose by a large margin then the only decent thing would be for May to resign. What is the largest defeat in the Commons? Will May break the record?

Originally Posted by Troy

Let's wait for Tuesday and the result of the vote. If the Government lose by a large margin then the only decent thing would be for May to resign. What is the largest defeat in the Commons? Will May break the record?

Might as well, and the best bit is yet to come, her last speech outside No 10 pimping what a great job she's done.

Cyrille has such a boner for Marina Hyde, he’s probably had a good chuckle at this already.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ow-car-sticker

Marina Hyde oozing empathy for the stupid British public and its gargantuan error of judgement in electing the Tory party. lol

Originally Posted by jabir

And here's my next prediction for you to chuckle over; it will take time, won't happen overnight, but while the EU implodes, that is, when even you and the other victims of denial concede it ain't going quite right, you will blame Brexit or global warming rather than confess that you overlooked the inherent structural defects that is bringing about its demise.

Staple this to your forehead for when it happens.

so the Brexiter in denial is lecturing us about being in denial for the collapse of the EU ?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so the Brexiter in denial is lecturing us about being in denial for the collapse of the EU ?

It wont make the slightest bit of difference. They are so convinced of their own brilliance, they won’t even notice the collapse.

Carry on fiddling buttfly, just like Nero.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-uncertainty/

Originally Posted by Troy

Let's wait for Tuesday and the result of the vote. If the Government lose by a large margin then the only decent thing would be for May to resign. What is the largest defeat in the Commons? Will May break the record?

Face facts Troy. It no longer matters by how much she loses. After her defeat, she has 3 days to release her plan B. It is my understanding that it will be delivered on the following Monday 21 January. In the interim, Corbyn will set in motion a vote of no confidence in the government.
Which one gets debated first? Corbyn’s
confidence vote, or May’s plan B?

If her plan B was any good, it would be Plan A.

I have a suspicion that her plan B is nothing more than a vain hope of some help from the EU. lol what a monumental clusterfuck.

Maybot loses vote.
Vote of no confidence in the government.
Maybot decommissioned.
Bojo wins leadership battle.
Bojo vs Corbyn in general election.
The great British public back the Tories with an utter clown at the helm.
Boris makes a deal with Europe.
Nobody likes the deal.
....

Originally Posted by Switch

Face facts Troy. It no longer matters by how much she loses. After her defeat, she has 3 days to release her plan B. It is my understanding that it will be delivered on the following Monday 21 January. In the interim, Corbyn will set in motion a vote of no confidence in the government.
Which one gets debated first? Corbyn’s
confidence vote, or May’s plan B?

If her plan B was any good, it would be Plan A.

I have a suspicion that her plan B is nothing more than a vain hope of some help from the EU. lol what a monumental clusterfuck.

The number of votes PM May loses by does make a significant difference. If under 50, she could get some further assurances from the EU, change the script here and there, and then bring it back to the Commons again. Under 100 and she will need some significant change to the Irish border problem, but again can probably revamp the current offer. Over 100 votes loss and Plan B will need to be a cross party agreed offering such as Common Market 2.0. Over 150 voted and there is no way out for her, if she wants to leave with a scrap of dignity. She really should resign as leader and allow someone else to take over.

The current prediction is in excess of 200 vote loss, but I am not going to tempt fate and say that is likely. Such a defeat is unthinkable.

Corbyn will not risk a vote of no-confidence without certainty. The SNP are the more likely to go for it but it will probably fail. Loyalty has a lot to answer for in such circumstances.

Resign and allow a cross party solution to evolve would be the most honourable exit for her.

Originally Posted by Switch

It wont make the slightest bit of difference. They are so convinced of their own brilliance, they won’t even notice the collapse.

Carry on fiddling buttfly, just like Nero.

the problem of living isolated in an island without daily interactions with other Europeans clearly gives you apocalyptic visions

Originally Posted by foobar

Maybot loses vote.
Vote of no confidence in the government.
Maybot decommissioned.
Bojo wins leadership battle.
Bojo vs Corbyn in general election.
The great British public back the Tories with an utter clown at the helm.
Boris makes a deal with Europe.
Nobody likes the deal.
....

Boris make a deal with Europe? there is no further deal, this is it. No more negotiations.

There is no Plan B deal for him or Maybot, jesus

WTF are you guys smoking?

Originally Posted by Troy

Over 150 voted and there is no way out for her, if she wants to leave with a scrap of dignity. She really should resign as leader and allow someone else to take over.

The current prediction is in excess of 200 vote loss, but I am not going to tempt fate and say that is likely. Such a defeat is unthinkable.

Corbyn will not risk a vote of no-confidence without certainty. The SNP are the more likely to go for it but it will probably fail. Loyalty has a lot to answer for in such circumstances.

Resign and allow a cross party solution to evolve would be the most honourable exit for her.

what I find amazing is how delusional and disconnected the UK parliament is. There is no plan B, there is no renegotiation, Maybot deal is the only plan.

Why would you expect? You can't expect the same deal as being in the EU when you are leaving. Hello, anyone home???? Of course, it's a worse deal, but that's by design, you have no full EU privileges since you are leaving. Why is it so hard to get? you MPs are being completely unreasonable and acting like spoiled children who had their iPhone X confiscated. Feeling entitled, and not taking any responsabilities for their act. So British, and the reasons why everyone has been fed up with you guys all over the EU.

This whole exercise clearly demonstrate the level of disconnect of your elected leaders with the real World. And you want those fuckers to run your miserable island unchecked by anyone else outside ?

good fucking luck

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Boris make a deal with Europe? there is no further deal, this is it. No more negotiations.

There is no Plan B deal for him or Maybot, jesus

WTF are you guys smoking?

Boris will have to return to the EU, there is no other way, even he is not so stupid as to break all trade ties with the EU, aka a real hard Brexit.

It doesn't matter what the facts are, the only thing that matters is the lies the tories will tell(in the election campaign to come) the British public who will believe them all over again.

...and Corbyn and 'the lefties' will be to blame for everything!

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Why would you expect? You can't expect the same deal as being in the EU when you are leaving. Hello, anyone home???? Of course, it's a worse deal, but that's by design, you have no full EU privileges since you are leaving. Why is it so hard to get? you MPs are being completely unreasonable and acting like spoiled children who had their iPhone X confiscated. Feeling entitled, and not taking any responsabilities for their act. So British, and the reasons why everyone has been fed up with you guys all over the EU.

Originally Posted by foobar

Expecting a good exit deal from the EU is equivalent to crashing out of your gym membership halfway through your contract, but still expecting to be able to use the facilities anytime you want, then when your swipe card stops working, creating a scene at reception, shouting and screaming at no one in particular on how management are being really unfair and dishonourable because they are not respecting your decision to leave the club.

The UK has no leverage with the EU.....The choices are stay or hard Brexit.

......

Originally Posted by foobar

The UK has no leverage with the EU.....The choices are stay or hard Brexit.

I would not put my house on there being only those.....

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

what I find amazing is how delusional and disconnected the UK parliament is. There is no plan B, there is no renegotiation, Maybot deal is the only plan.

Why would you expect? You can't expect the same deal as being in the EU when you are leaving. Hello, anyone home???? Of course, it's a worse deal, but that's by design, you have no full EU privileges since you are leaving. Why is it so hard to get? you MPs are being completely unreasonable and acting like spoiled children who had their iPhone X confiscated. Feeling entitled, and not taking any responsabilities for their act. So British, and the reasons why everyone has been fed up with you guys all over the EU.

This whole exercise clearly demonstrate the level of disconnect of your elected leaders with the real World. And you want those fuckers to run your miserable island unchecked by anyone else outside ?

good fucking luck

That last sentence is a very apt description of the European Union, elected leaders not withstanding.

You really have fallen into their trap of believing that federal socialism is the answer to politics on a global scale. These are identical policies to the ones that brought about the failure of Callaghan’s labour government in 1979.

Germany might survive the fallout, but every other EU member will be crushed by the falling infrastructure of the Union.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

I would not put my house on there being only those.....

Yet, the only two options that currently exist after 2.5 years are Maybot's remain deal or a hard brexit.

What is the 3rd option on the table?

One step at a time Butter's. The May Agreement needs to be trashed first, then the no-deal, before things start to take shape.

Originally Posted by Troy

One step at a time Butter's. The May Agreement needs to be trashed first, then the no-deal, before things start to take shape.

And then what? Call the whole thing off. That might suit your needs, but the continent has moved too far and been through too much to give up so easily.

Despite my opposition to Corbyn, I would rather have a labour government take us out of the EU and suffer the consequences for 5 years, than meekly submit to being choked off by the EU.
The UK lacks leadership but not guts. Get on with it whatever the outcome.

Originally Posted by foobar

Yet, the only two options that currently exist after 2.5 years are Maybot's remain deal or a hard brexit. What is the 3rd option on the table?

There aren't more than two that we know about presently, but that doesn't preclude that other options will materialise.

Originally Posted by foobar

Boris will have to return to the EU, there is no other way, even he is not so stupid as to break all trade ties with the EU, aka a real hard Brexit.

It doesn't matter what the facts are, the only thing that matters is the lies the tories will tell(in the election campaign to come) the British public who will believe them all over again.

...and Corbyn and 'the lefties' will be to blame for everything!

Wrong again, boingggg...do try to get some things right! The British public will not believe the Tories, though one look over at t'opposition is enough to make them vote, if they vote, for the same party that just fcuked them.

If Corbyn (and his gang of lefties) is not to blame, for still being leader of an Opposition which guarantees a Tory gov, then pray who is? For a chance at the plum job - get rid of him ffs!

Originally Posted by foobar

...and Corbyn and 'the lefties' will be to blame for everything!

Originally Posted by Switch

You really have fallen into their trap of believing that federal socialism is the answer to politics on a global scale. These are identical policies to the ones that brought about the failure of Callaghan’s labour government in 1979.

Originally Posted by jabir

If Corbyn (and his gang of lefties) is not to blame, for still being leader of an Opposition which guarantees a Tory gov, then pray who is?

see.... ...you can set your watch by Brexiteer stupidity.