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    ffs SA. educate yourself man.

    the CAP is the EUs supposed flagship policy, is their biggest expenditure and is nothing more than a crutch for toothless, lazy, entitled and inefficient french garlic growers.

    it pays farmers vast amounts of money to manicure the vast areas of their lands that have been legislated into redundancy in order to preserve the habitats of fucking spiders and toads, and of course to look pretty under the guise of green party style environmental protection.


    it is a ridiculous and expensive waste of money that could be put to much better use if it was spent helping those in the EU who really need support.

    the system is corrupt and easily manipulated. it is wastage on a grand scale of both money and resources, and is in fact typical of the EU.

    The original CAP was an attempt to stabilise farmers incomes by setting minimum prices for food.

    It was an economic failure. (Though it was a wonderful case-study for those wanting to teach an example of government failure.) Essentially, the original CAP:

    Minimum prices encouraged a large increase in supply, encouraging over-use of chemicals to enhance output.
    To maintain these minimum prices, the EU had to buy the surplus food, which was then stored, destroyed or sold very cheaply to developing markets.

    At the height of CAP, 70% of the EU budget was diverted into buying food we didn’t need.
    It also involved high tariffs on food imports – harming trade relations and reducing the income of farmers in other countries.

    The dumping of surplus food on world markets led to lower prices, and lower incomes for food producers and food exporters.

    It also distorted long-term economic trends, preventing the agricultural sector respond to changing demand and supply. It also encouraged farmers to expect and rely on government subsidies. Subsidies which have become politically very difficult to reduce.

    It was a classic example of a government policy which led to a deadweight welfare loss.

    Reformed CAP

    Very slowly, the Common Agricultural Policy was slowly reformed. Target minimum prices have mostly been reduced or removed – allowing some reduction in tariffs and ending the food mountains. However, although CAP was reformed, the total cost of CAP continued to rise (though it did fall as a % of EU spending)

    The CAP was reformed by offering a different kind of subsidy, which included direct income payments to farmers. Essentially, people who owned agricultural land were given subsidies for having agricultural land.
    In fact, the perversity of this direct income subsidy scheme is that, in some areas, it encouraged farmers to cut down trees and make wildlife areas nominally agricultural land – to enable the farmers to be eligible for more subsidies.

    With no limit on farm subsidies, it has often been the richest landowners who have received the biggest cash handouts. With some estates receiving in the region of half a million pounds in CAP subsidies each year.
    It is one of the worst transfers of taxpayers money to wealthy landowners. It is only surprising there is not more outrage about the waste of taxpayers money.

    https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2...ies-in-the-uk/
    btw. did you rid yourself of that troublesome tooth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    You gormless ignoramus, the UK has been getting a discount deal for its EU membership over the past 30 years and has paid less, pro rata proportionate to its GDP, than the other major EU countries.
    It shouldn't have been paying at all, given that the cunts have been making money out of us for years.

    And now it won't have to, so you and your Eurotrash shit can shove it up your collective well worn arseholes and do what you're told.

    That simple fact seems to escape your amoeba-like intellect, which seems to consist of trawling through the dictionary for big words that only illustrate what a complete rambling fuckwit you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    nobody needs UK support, where do you get this illusion ???? another projected self importance for an insignificant island ?

    nobody wanted the UK to join the EU in the first place, so why would anyone want to keep those miserable fookers who are going to keep moaning until the end of time, no matter the good deal they get,

    buriram boy is right, a clean Brexit is the only option, lesson learned for all parties
    Could you explain why you are so utterly wrong about every single issue associated with Europe? If what you say is true, the EU would be doing everything possible to get them out.
    Instead, they have been making it as difficult as possible for U.K. to leave and continue to propose punitive measures wherever possible.
    Its because they want UK economic, defense and security expertis, which the EU is sadly lacking, and they want to make it difficult to prevent others jumping ship.

    You are such a transparent troll, and a joke as a human being.

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    Chass, you are a tired old pensioner, irrelevant in this world, and yet you seem to think that you are right about every single issue associated with Europe, simply because someone has clearly demonstrated to you imbecile and mediocre intellect how "useless" you fookers are, and you can't accept it.

    who do you think you are joking, crazy old fool ? Truth hurts doesn't it

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    UK will take a new clear stance

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    to confront the Fwanko -Boche lead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Its because they want UK economic, defense and security expertis
    Is that the same crew who decided it was required, designed it and built the new flat-top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    ffs SA. educate yourself man.

    the CAP is the EUs supposed flagship policy, is their biggest expenditure and is nothing more than a crutch for toothless, lazy, entitled and inefficient french garlic growers.

    it pays farmers vast amounts of money to manicure the vast areas of their lands that have been legislated into redundancy in order to preserve the habitats of fucking spiders and toads, and of course to look pretty under the guise of green party style environmental protection.


    it is a ridiculous and expensive waste of money that could be put to much better use if it was spent helping those in the EU who really need support.

    the system is corrupt and easily manipulated. it is wastage on a grand scale of both money and resources, and is in fact typical of the EU.



    btw. did you rid yourself of that troublesome tooth?
    That little simplistic essay on the CAP, and the principle of intervention, was clearly written by a fucking adolescent. I've told you before about swallowing garbage from dubious sources on the gormless grounds that it serves to reinforce your misguided, hidebound, stupid doctrines and petty prejudices but you just don't fucking listen.

    Agriculture and its management is all about achieving stability in supply and avoiding cycles of feast or famine.

    Hill sheep/hill cow/ dairy herd/ beef cow/arable land crop growth and market gardening, smallholding farmers develop the land which does not attract the agri-combines but if they were to farm without intervention then the market would soon de-stabilse. Jesus H fucking Christ, Tax, a fucking child can work it out.

    Britain since the war has been intervening in the market by the provision of grants and subsidies and it is the only fucking way to maintain diversity in the supply function, you fucking idiot.

    Of course, you could just tell the farmers to fuck themselves, sell out, force a collapse in agricultural land values, and satisfy demand by imports of cheap crap augmented by a small domestic cartel of monopolistic agri- combines supplying regimented food production to a gormless market full of fucking idiots who don't know shit from shinola.

    You want to devastate rural communities and create a homogenised food supply function sacrificing quality for profits, then scrap intervention boards, slaughter the small herds and leave the hinterland to ruination once the thousands of smallholders are bankrupted.

    I had an abscess that has since erupted. The wisdom is impacted but I shall leave the extraction until after my return from Blighty.

    What gets my goat about these fucking economic arrivistes and jumped up tenth rate politicians sucking their cock is that when it all goes wrong after their cack-handed interference they all bleat about unintended consequences as if no one could see the fuckup coming.

    Fucking wankers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    That little simplistic essay on the CAP, and the principle of intervention, was clearly written by a fucking adolescent. I've told you before about swallowing garbage from dubious sources on the gormless grounds that it serves to reinforce your misguided, hidebound, stupid doctrines and petty prejudices but you just don't fucking listen.

    Agriculture and its management is all about achieving stability in supply and avoiding cycles of feast or famine.

    Hill sheep/hill cow/ dairy herd/ beef cow/arable land crop growth and market gardening, smallholding farmers develop the land which does not attract the agri-combines but if they were to farm without intervention then the market would soon de-stabilse. Jesus H fucking Christ, Tax, a fucking child can work it out.

    Britain since the war has been intervening in the market by the provision of grants and subsidies and it is the only fucking way to maintain diversity in the supply function, you fucking idiot.

    Of course, you could just tell the farmers to fuck themselves, sell out, force a collapse in agricultural land values, and satisfy demand by imports of cheap crap augmented by a small domestic cartel of monopolistic agri- combines supplying regimented food production to a gormless market full of fucking idiots who don't know shit from shinola.

    You want to devastate rural communities and create a homogenised food supply function sacrificing quality for profits, then scrap intervention boards, slaughter the small herds and leave the hinterland to ruination once the thousands of smallholders are bankrupted.

    I had an abscess that has since erupted. The wisdom is impacted but I shall leave the extraction until after my return from Blighty.

    What gets my goat about these fucking economic arrivistes and jumped up tenth rate politicians sucking their cock is that when it all goes wrong after their cack-handed interference they all bleat about unintended consequences as if no one could see the fuckup coming.

    Fucking wankers.
    Simply. Fucking. Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    You want to devastate rural communities and create a homogenised food supply function sacrificing quality for profits, then scrap intervention boards, slaughter the small herds and leave the hinterland to ruination once the thousands of smallholders are bankrupted.
    That's working out rather well here in the good ol USA...Not!

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    and the circus in this back-to-school week looks really promising

    Brexit: May vows no compromise with EU on Brexit plan

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421

    Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister says she will "not be pushed" into compromises on her Chequers agreement that are not in the "national interest".

    But Mrs May also warns she will not "give in" to those calling for a second referendum on the withdrawal agreement.

    She says it would be a "gross betrayal of our democracy and... trust".

    The Chequers agreement would see the UK agreeing a "common rulebook" with the EU for trading in goods, in an attempt to maintain friction-less trade at the border.

    But critics say it will leave the UK tied to EU rules and prevent Britain from striking its own trade deals in years to come.

    The People's Vote, a cross-party group including some MPs, is calling for a public vote on the final Brexit deal.

    The UK is on course to leave the EU on 29 March but has yet to agree how its final relationship with the bloc will work. The EU has suggested that November is the latest a deal could be finalised.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421

    Analysis: Back to school for politics
    By Chris Mason, BBC political correspondent

    Welcome to the new term in politics - it is getting loud already.

    No sooner has the prime minister said she is committed to her Brexit blueprint than one of her previously loyal MPs has suggested signing up to it would be a "humiliation".

    And no sooner has she insisted that another Brexit referendum would be a "gross betrayal of our democracy" than one of her own party donors says that is "balderdash".

    It seems, to put it mildly, that we are in for quite a political term.

    Both the big political parties at Westminster have their fair share of turmoil and the stakes could not be higher.

    But if the last few months, or the last few years, have taught us anything, it is that we can be very confident there will be a few bumps in the road - whether a Brexit deal is done or not.

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    Michel Barnier 'strongly opposed' to May's Brexit plan

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

    The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said he is "strongly" opposed to key parts of Theresa May's proposals for a future trade deal.

    This morning the prime minister said she would not compromise on the UK government's Chequers plan.

    But Mr Barnier said plans for a "common rulebook" for goods but not services were not in the EU's interests.

    "Our own ecosystem has grown over decades," he said. "You can not play with it by picking pieces."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Michel Barnier 'strongly opposed' to May's Brexit plan

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

    The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said he is "strongly" opposed to key parts of Theresa May's proposals for a future trade deal.

    This morning the prime minister said she would not compromise on the UK government's Chequers plan.

    But Mr Barnier said plans for a "common rulebook" for goods but not services were not in the EU's interests.

    "Our own ecosystem has grown over decades," he said. "You can not play with it by picking pieces."
    This morning I made a Belgian waffle. This afternoon I made a Frenchman talk bollocks.

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    Maybot is fooked, she is in an impossible situation and she doesn't have the brain to solve it

    your only option: hard brexit with a referendum to make sure you have the people mandate for it

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    Interesting week ahead on the circus

    Boris Johnson: UK gets 'diddly squat' from May's Brexit plans

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45392105

    Boris Johnson has savaged Theresa May's Brexit plans, saying they would leave the UK with "diddly squat" after the negotiations and hand the EU "victory".

    The former foreign secretary used his Daily Telegraph column to say the PM's Chequers deal - which led him to resign in July - "means disaster" for Britain.

    It comes as the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, says he is "strongly" opposed to parts of the plan.

    The UK government insisted its Brexit strategy was "precise and pragmatic".

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    Indeed, Butters, but she is without any political nous, statesmanship or principled doctrine. So, in truth who knows what the sclerotic, desiccated, shrivelled old cvunt will do. Essentially, she relies on her own cabal for guidance and naturally they will tell the bitch what they think she'll believe.

    No-one is interested in her daft Chequers plan which was already fucked by the cvunt Mogg's intervention within a week of her claim that it was the only solution and one under which she was drawing a red line. The resultant mess appeals to neither the EU nor the Tory nazis and in truth it could never be reconciled with Ireland and the GFA.

    She is now boxed in and must choose between a sensible compromise with the EU and adopting the Norwegian model or going with the Tory nutters. Failure to do neither will mean a General Election but first there must be a new Tory leader election since May's role will be otiose - she was only ever made leader as a default choice because of her alleged reputation as a safe pair hands which only the deranged would still now believe.

    Either way, the forthcoming farrago will mean a further deprecation of £.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Chass, you are a tired old pensioner, irrelevant in this world, and yet you seem to think that you are right about every single issue associated with Europe, simply because someone has clearly demonstrated to you imbecile and mediocre intellect how "useless" you fookers are, and you can't accept it.

    who do you think you are joking, crazy old fool ? Truth hurts doesn't it
    Only if you can post one iota of credible evidence that what I have said is wrong.
    you can’t because you know the E U is a lost cause that is failing on a daily basis.

    Allyou ever post is Gallic insults. They do not constitute evidence, just the ramblings of a stupid troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Is that the same crew who decided it was required, designed it and built the new flat-top?
    The zfrench have teeth arms aplenty, but lack the logistic equipment and capability to deploy.
    The MOD made the French incursion to CAR possible with airlift capability and other logistic support. Military detente is alive and well with the Anglo French MOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Indeed, Butters, but she is without any political nous, statesmanship or principled doctrine. So, in truth who knows what the sclerotic, desiccated, shrivelled old cvunt will do. Essentially, she relies on her own cabal for guidance and naturally they will tell the bitch what they think she'll believe.

    No-one is interested in her daft Chequers plan which was already fucked by the cvunt Mogg's intervention within a week of her claim that it was the only solution and one under which she was drawing a red line. The resultant mess appeals to neither the EU nor the Tory nazis and in truth it could never be reconciled with Ireland and the GFA.

    She is now boxed in and must choose between a sensible compromise with the EU and adopting the Norwegian model or going with the Tory nutters. Failure to do neither will mean a General Election but first there must be a new Tory leader election since May's role will be otiose - she was only ever made leader as a default choice because of her alleged reputation as a safe pair hands which only the deranged would still now believe.

    Either way, the forthcoming farrago will mean a further deprecation of £.
    Incorrect. May was elected as the only contender for the poisoned chalice.

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    Incorrect. May was elected as the only contender for the poisoned chalice.
    I reckon it was for her dancing skills.


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    Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister says she will "not be pushed" into compromises on her Chequers agreement that are not in the "national interest".
    She managed to add a nice little get-out clause for when the compromises start. No doubt all the compromises have been, and will be, made in the 'national interest'.

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    it certainly is a terrible mess.

    we should have gone WTO the day after the vote.

    job done and started the negotiations from there.

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    indeed, tax, that was the only viable route, now you are fooked and making things worse for yourself, while looking like total tits to the world, but what else is new

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Only if you can post one iota of credible evidence that what I have said is wrong.
    you can’t because you know the E U is a lost cause that is failing on a daily basis.

    Allyou ever post is Gallic insults. They do not constitute evidence, just the ramblings of a stupid troll.
    I think you have proved beyond any doubt how a "proud" of UKIP voter Brit you are, and you have no economics background, let alone political one

    listen to Seeking Ass, maybe you will learn something for once in your lifetime, irrelevant little English man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I think you have proved beyond any doubt how a "proud" of UKIP voter Brit you are, and you have no economics background, let alone political one

    listen to Seeking Ass, maybe you will learn something for once in your lifetime, irrelevant little English man
    Exactly the answer I expected from a such a dedicated troll.
    Zero evidence to prove any of my assertions as incorrect.
    Why would anyone with any integrity assume that I was a UKIP voter, you stupid boy. I am, and have been politically neutral for most of my life. It makes critical analysis much easier.

    Using seeking ass to back up your complete lack of knowledge and understanding proves my point beyond doubt.

    Have yet another epic fail butterboy.

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