Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Russia sanctions deal clears key Senate hurdle

The Senate easily voted Wednesday to advance a bipartisan agreement to slap new financial penalties on Russia and let Congress weigh in before President Trump can lift sanctions.

Senators voted 97-2 to attach the deal to an Iran sanctions bill currently being debated on the Senate floor. Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and Mike Lee (Utah) were the only senators to vote against including new Russia penalties in the legislation.

more Russia sanctions deal clears key Senate hurdle | TheHill

Originally Posted by Slick

Head feels secure over here.

Righhhhhhhht!

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

There is nothing to prove other than if trump had said the same, then the entire dim base would be encouraged to rise up in revolt to save the country from 'teh russians'.

Except Trump didn't say the same and that's not why there's an investigation on that basis - your oranges are not the same as apples.

You'd know this if you removed your head from the giant orange orifice it's currently lodged in and - even just a minute - took a break from your furious turd polishing and obfuscation efforts.

Besides the emotional nonsense in your post, you seem to be implying that trump did something wrong.

Trump isn't even under investigation for conspiring with the Russians, ant.

Do try to keep up.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Trump isn't even under investigation for conspiring with the Russians

What a relief that he's only under investigation for obstruction of justice.

Originally Posted by Humbert

What a relief that he's only under investigation for obstruction of justice.

Says an unnamed source.

Originally Posted by Slick

Says an unnamed source.

Five of them, actually.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

the first thing hackers do is spoof their IP origin

^^^Apparently the DHS fucked up on that day and forgot the spoof.

There is another possible explanation, can you see it?

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by Humbert

What a relief that he's only under investigation for obstruction of justice.

Says an unnamed source.

Huh? Have you heard of the Special Counsel? Or is that fake news too?

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

There is nothing to prove other than if trump had said the same, then the entire dim base would be encouraged to rise up in revolt to save the country from 'teh russians'.

Except Trump didn't say the same and that's not why there's an investigation on that basis - your oranges are not the same as apples.

You'd know this if you removed your head from the giant orange orifice it's currently lodged in and - even just a minute - took a break from your furious turd polishing and obfuscation efforts.

Besides the emotional nonsense in your post, you seem to be implying that trump did something wrong.

Trump isn't even under investigation for conspiring with the Russians, ant.

Do try to keep up.

Give your head a really good shake. Both the Senate and House investigative committees are "tasked with investigating collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia". Trump is not part of the Trump campaign? Holy Christopher!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.ff0b7ea25f60

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Slick

Head feels secure over here.

Righhhhhhhht!

These bs investigations and other general hysterics from you guys has been going on ever since trump won, if not before, and all it does is make me laugh at you crazies, why do you think this bs investigation and the inevitable hysterics accompanying it will have a different effect?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction of justice, Washington Post reports

well, wasn't he why he was nominated in the first place ? how is it news ?

Originally Posted by lom

There is another possible explanation, can you see it?

Not sure what you mean, but I see a Gov't Agency/Department trying to increase it's operating budget...and further justifying it's existence.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Homeland Security reportedly considered declaring election systems as "critical infrastructure," which would have given the federal agency the authority to protect the systems.

Originally Posted by Humbert

What a relief that he's only under investigation for obstruction of justice.

yep, it was pretty easy to predict that.

there's no there there with the trump/russian conpiracy theory, so to keep the investigation going, they need to try to find a little slip up somewhere that can be charged, just to keep the headlines going.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

doubt even many democrats on the hill are still being hypnotized by the deep state leaks to the wa post about sessions, flynn, etc possibly being traitors who conspired with putin to defeat hillary.

ok fair enough, you believe all the deep state leaks to the wa post that flynn and boys are traitors who helped putin defeat hillary.

IMO, it won't go anywhere.

if anything, democrats will try to get flynn and others on not remembering correctly their discussions with any russian they've ever met, i.e. perjury/obstruction of justice, etc.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Ignore him.

His particular party-trick is to construct a straw-man around something that you didn't say, expect you to defend it

Nailed it.

no, i try to take a post (like humbert's) to its logical conclusion and do that by asking questions (notice the question marks) and not constructing straw men.

for example, humbert mentioned that the investigation into the trump campaign isn't over and just wait to see what happens in the next several months:

There is an investigation into the Trump organization on Russia.

I hope you enjoy the next several months.

so, i asked humbert what smoking gun he's expecting that will prove the trump campaign conspired with the russians to defeat puting:

in the "next several months" what startling information are you predicting will appear to show trump conspired with the russians to defeat hillary?

for example?

any idea?

see the question marks? b.t.w., humbert didn't have an answer.

anyways, ant,

you're not in a position to criticize anyone's posting style as you post like an angry kid (60% of your post is ad hom and less than 40% is actually about the points brought up in a post).

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

humbert, you're the one who was responding to my post, saying the investigation into a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russians to defeat hillary hasn't been shut down yet and you hope i enjoy the next several months of evidence coming out that will prove the conspiracy.

i then asked you what evidence you think the investigation will produce.

if you have any idea:

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

there is no "trump-russian ties investigation.

There is an investigation into the Trump organization on Russia.

I hope you enjoy the next several months.

in the "next several months" what startling information are you predicting will appear to show trump conspired with the russians to defeat hillary?

for example?

any idea?

or just more of what you've posted the last several months:

"wait, wait, evidence will miraculously show up that will prove trump hooked up with the kgb/russians to defeat hillary."

Sorry did you mistake me for CSFFan?

and, from your response, i guess you have "no idea" and are just really really hoping that the "deep state" hasn't leaked all their trump/russia conspiracy theories and "evidence" to the washington post and is holding back the smoking gun which will be revealed in the "next several months".

Originally Posted by Humbert

I hope you enjoy the next several months.

and, praytell, how am i building a strawman, here:

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

well, humbert, of course the answers to all of those questions will likely turn out to be that flynn was not conspiring with the russians to defeat hillary.

since tapes do exist of flynn talking to the russian ambassador, one would think they would have been leaked to the wa post already if they contained damaging words from flynn. they haven't been leaked, so they likely don't contain anything, IMO.

the rest of your questions about comey, etc. can be answered simply by saying that trump didn't do anything illegal in talking to and then firing comey and in his mind was just trying to get control of the situation.

dershowitz lays out the case why trump's actions with comey were not illegal:

Alan Dershowitz: History, precedent and James Comey's opening statement show that Trump did not obstruct justice

if you are looking for a conspiracy (between the trump campaign and the russians to defeat hillary), humbert,

you will likely see a conspiracy everywhere and are really really hoping that these are the answers to your questions:

Why did he fire Comey?

because comey was onto trump and knew that flynn was trump's contact with the russia intelliegence services who conspired with trump to defeat hillary.

Why did he breech the firewall between the FBI and the White House by asking Comey to stop the Flynn investigation.

because if flynn is exposed for being a traitor to the u.s. who conspired with the russians, then it might come out that trump was in on the conspiracy, too.

Why did he ask Comey for a pledge of loyalty.

because comey had two choices: be fired or become a puppet of trump and don't tell anyone the truth that trump is really a puppet of the russians.

Why did he wait 18 days to fire Flynn when he knew that he lied to Pence.

because trump had to make sure flynn had his story straight and wouldn't expose the conspiracy.

Why did members of his team have so many contacts with Russian agents that they lied about ever having?

after the election, flynn used the meetings with the russian ambasador which were set up to talk about having open lines of communication between the two countries, especially for dealing with syria,

to talk about what trump can do for putin since putin helped trump win the presidency.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

and, praytell, how am i building a strawman, here?

Ring the alarm

Mangled distortion alert!

I thought this was good from CNN:

The Russia investigation is now inside the Oval Office - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I thought this was good from CNN:

The Russia investigation is now inside the Oval Office - CNNPolitics.com

No it's not, the WP article is a work of fiction, the CIA/NSA etc are not giving evidence about obstruction of justice on Trumps part.
They are about any, if any contact between Trumps team and the Russians, the Special Counsel is tasked with Russia and Trumps team connections, not money laundering, drug dealing, Mexicans or lizard people.

As Trump is not under investigation, then Comey would need to be part of the Russian investigation as to his Russian ties.

The only one who has obstructed justice, at this point is Comey, he failed to submit a formal report.

That's an FBI, justice department matter, nothing to do with the Special counsel, outside of thier terrms of investigation.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

there's no there there with the trump/russian conpiracy theory, so to keep the investigation going, they need to try to find a little slip up somewhere that can be charged, just to keep the headlines going.

That's it, the dims and their deep state and media cronies will just try and keep this bs going as they don't have anything else. Its just meaningless and endless chaff, they may land their fish, but more likely they will just end up blowing themselves up.

Their aim is to use this crap to derail Trump's legislative agenda and to make electoral gains in 2018, but I doubt it will work.

Putin: Russia ready to grant asylum to former FBI Director James Comey
Published time: 15 Jun, 2017

"[Comey] suddenly said he recorded a conversation with Trump, and then handed the tape over to the media, which is strange," Putin said during his annual Q&A session on Thursday, noting that the leak put Comey in a vulnerable position.

"What's the difference between him and Mr [Edward] Snowden then? He’s a human rights activist then, not an intelligence chief," Putin said.

"At any rate, if this entails some kind of prosecutions against him [Comey], we are ready to grant him asylum in Russia. He should be aware of that," he added.

‘No proof Russia meddled in US election’
Putin commented on the congressional testimony made by former FBI Director James Comey, who accused Russia of interfering in the US election.

“The first thing that attracted my attention was that the ex-FBI director said that he believes that there was Russian meddling in the electoral process [in the US], but at the same time provided no proof of that,” he said.

The president noted that, according to Comey, there was no interference by Russia in the vote count during last year’s election, saying: “Well, thank God, at least that, it’s good enough.”

The president said Russia’s influence on American’s minds was no greater than that of America, which sponsors NGOs worldwide with a goal to influence countries they work in.

"Take a globe, spin it and point your finger at any spot, there’s surely American interests and interference there," he told the audience. "I know it from my conversations with almost every national leader. They just don’t want to spoil relations with the Americans."

'Russians don't view America as an enemy'
Putin went on to state that Russia does not see the US as an enemy, as the two countries were allies in World War II.

He also reiterated his view that the anti-Russian sentiment in the US comes from internal political strife in America.

"The Russophobia currently evolving in the United States – we can see it and we believe that this is the outcome of a spiraling domestic struggle for power."

The president said Russia has “many friends” in the US, although “media hysteria” has taken its toll on bilateral relations. Overall, Moscow believes US-Russia relations will return to normal.

https://www.rt.com/news/392404-putin-russia-usa-enemy/

https://www.wired.com/story/robert-m...stigation-team

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

https://www.wired.com/story/robert-m...stigation-team

Robert Mueller Chooses His Investigatory Dream Team

Okaaaay....

Zebley, who has worked alongside Mueller since their departure from the Hoover Building in 2013, attended the College of William & Mary—James Comey’s alma mater—and went on to the University of Virginia’s law school, a prime feeder school for federal prosecutors

Harry must be feeling confident...

Zebley then started with the FBI on I-49, one of its most storied squads and part of the small group of agents in New York who were chasing Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda before September 11th.

Well that didn't really work out for him then did it... woops

Let's hope he does better with Trump eh harry

^ Comey's allegation is that Trump was attempting to obstruct the course of justice. And that is something he failed to report, which is illegal. So by his own admission he broke the law. On top of that he committed perjury as he said under oath that no-one had ever interfered in an investigation.

^ You have not a clue what you are talking about you utter buffoon. Not a single clue about the rule of law in the US.