Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

what sort of evil do you imagine trump commiting?

Events will dictate that. Hopefully he will be removed from office somehow before that prediction is borne out.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Yeah one killed hundreds of thousands of people to enrich his friends. The other one has made an idiot of himself on the national stage. Well, actually Bush did the second one too but I digress...

Of course, from a historical and quantitative perspective, you can pin more tangible errors on Bush. But from a standpoint of basic morality, honesty, integrity and character there has never been a worse president than Trump.

Originally Posted by Humbert

But from a standpoint of basic morality, honesty, integrity and character there has never been a worse president than Trump.

I know a guy who lives down the street from me in a trailer park. If you don't count actions, he's clearly worse than Hitler.

Bush was a puppet. Cheney and Rumsfeld were his puppet masters. They orchestrated the whole rape of Iraq. Those two are the epitome of evil.

Drumpf is a fool with a short fuse and that could wind up sending us down an even more dark path.

Bush's entire cabinet falls under the term "Bush". It was his Presidency so its defined by his entire team

At the end of Trump's run here we will have the data to say who was worse. It could wind up being Trump, if he does something worse.

Right now Bush was way worse than Trump.

Originally Posted by redhaze

I know a guy who lives down the street from me in a trailer park. If you don't count actions, he's clearly worse than Hitler.

OK, Redhaze you win. Not interested.

People aren't historically bad because they are rude or uncouth.

Trump leaves office tomorrow and all people will remember is that he was a giant jackass.

Let's hope it stays that way...

Originally Posted by Humbert

Events will dictate that. Hopefully he will be removed from office somehow before that prediction is borne out.

well, evil's a pretty loaded term.

if you don't like the domestic policies he implements, you can't call them evil.

if it's more war in the middle east? then, trump is actually pushing back against the war mongers in both parties who want to take down assad. not to mention, of course, trump having to push back against the big red scare in america (both parties) now where russia is this evil menacing power that needs to be confronted.

and since you can't think of anything trump might do they you would consider evil, it sounds like you're just venting your trump hatred.

Over the past nine days, as the Trump White House went on the road around the Middle East and Europe, the rest of the world learned first hand what America already knows: this is a presidency unlike any other in history.

Trump left the US under the shadow of a wide-ranging investigation into contacts between his aides and Russia before and after the November presidential election. In his absence from Washington, that shadow has only grown longer and darker.

The latest in the string of daily developments was a report on Friday night that Jared Kushner asked the Russians to set up a secret channel of communication with the Trump transition team, bypassing US diplomatic and intelligence channels. It was a stunning revelation, given that Kushner is not just the president’s son-in-law but his closest foreign policy adviser. When Trump met Israeli prime minster Benjamin Netanyahu, for example, Kushner was in the room but national security adviser HR McMaster was left outside.

The White House’s primary aim for the tour was to achieve Barack Obama’s touchstone goal: “Don’t do stupid shit.” For a few days, that seemed to work. The Saudi and Israeli legs of the trip were tightly controlled, Trump stuck to his scripted remarks, and the president made his keynote counter-terrorism speech in Riyadh in a deliberate and determined manner.

It was only when Air Force One reached Brussels that the caravan began to lose its way. That was perhaps inevitable for both policy and personal reasons. With King Salman and Netanyahu, there was a shared list of priorities and talking points: a view that Iran was a primary enemy, the desirability of huge US arms contracts, denunciations of terrorism. Trump was the centre of attention, literally treated like royalty and assured the things he did and said were “historic”.

In Europe, Trump had to play a different role: a senior member of a group seeking to act in concert and by consensus. But Trump does not do collegial, a fact that was grasped before in Europe but is now viscerally understood after the president shoved the Montenegrin prime minister out of the way to get front and centre of a Nato leaders’ photo-op.

These are the ways of a man without curiosity. He does not read books, and listens fitfully and reluctantly to others. He is reportedly fed up with McMaster because he goes on for too long about world affairs. The briefing papers McMaster’s team drew up before this trip had to be condensed to a few bullet points on a single page for each issue, and even then Trump grew bored of reviewing them before departure, and groused about how long the whole excursion would take.

The lack of preparation began to show when he reached Brussels. At Nato, his prepared remarks at a 9/11 monument were largely a retread of his campaign speech about the alliance, which in turn was constructed around a misunderstanding of how it works. He accused the US allies gathered alongside him (in the shadow of a shattered fragment of the World Trade Center) of being deadbeats who had not paid their club dues.

In terms of the common expenses of running Nato headquarters and infrastructure, this was simply not true. When it comes to the goal of Nato members spending 2% of their GDP on defence, the deadline is 2024, and the European allies have been increasing their expenditure since the Russian annexation of Crimea. And they have been contributing in other ways, including by way of blood and human lives in Afghanistan.

Trump’s denunciation of the Germans at a European Union meeting for being “bad, very bad,” because of the large number of German brand cars sold in the US, showed his comprehension of the global auto trade was just as shaky. The vast majority of German cars sold in the US are made there by American workers. For example, the BMW plant in South Carolina is the company’s largest anywhere in the world. It is also the biggest exporter of cars from the US.

Trumps lack of grasp of the realities of geopolitical alliances and global trade is a reminder that he came to office at the age of 70, having spent his entire adult life in a single business, real estate – a business he inherited, and which was built on bluster, gaming the legal system and forming partnerships of convenience with equally ruthless operators.

By the time they reach three score and ten, people generally do not change their ways, and Trump’s grand tour has served a reminder of that. He has not suddenly transcended the world of real estate to become a statesman. He is just going about the work of a president as if it is an extension of his real estate business.

To the Belgian prime minister, he explained his antipathy to the EU because of obstacles he met while trying to send up golf courses in Europe. The same failure to adapt is likely to be a big factor in the Trump family’s troubles with Russia. Both the president and Kushner have grown up going from one deal to another, looking for finance wherever it came from, in secret when necessary.

They evidently assumed affairs of state could be conducted in the same way. What is yet to be proven, but which should become clearer once they return to the US to face further investigation, is whether they will be proved wrong in that assumption, or whether the United States will be suborned and remade in the image of the Trump Organisation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gn-trip-europe

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

and since you can't think of anything trump might do they you would consider evil, it sounds like you're just venting your trump hatred.

I would call it prudence.
Do you think Trump is a moral, ethical,truthful man of high character and integrity? Would you characterize him as presidential?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Do you think Trump is a moral, ethical,truthful man of high character and integrity?

no, but are you implying that you consider yourself a man of "moral, ethical,truthful man of high character and integrity"?



at least trump doesn't have a nickname like "slick willie".

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

no

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

but are you implying that you consider yourself a man of "moral, ethical,truthful man of high character and integrity"?

Are you attempting to change the subject to me?

Originally Posted by redhaze

People aren't historically bad because they are rude or uncouth.

You are right. What worries me the most is North Korea. Trump could do something stupid that would agitate them to start lobbing artillery shells across the boarder into Seoul. Most people do not realize that NK has over 12,000 artillery pieces and 2300 multiple rocket launchers most of which is deployed facing Seoul.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

at least trump doesn't have a nickname like "slick willie".

Good comeback LMAO

Originally Posted by bsnub

You are right. What worries me the most is North Korea

Why worry about Kim? He hasn't started any needless wars in the ME. Don't judge him too harshly.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

at least trump doesn't have a nickname like "slick willie".

Good comeback LMAO

Yep. Hillarious in some circles I suppose. Are you a big fan of Greg Gutfeld?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by redhaze

Yeah one killed hundreds of thousands of people to enrich his friends. The other one has made an idiot of himself on the national stage. Well, actually Bush did the second one too but I digress...

Of course, from a historical and quantitative perspective, you can pin more tangible errors on Bush. But from a standpoint of basic morality, honesty, integrity and character there has never been a worse president than Trump.

True....but Trump is only 4 months in! He's made more feaux pas and embarrassing statements/actions in that time than Village Idiot Bush did.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Why worry about Kim?

It's not Kim I am worried about. It is Drumpf provoking him or putting him into a situation were he feels like he must take action.

Yeah we get it... he's a clown, but as President he's keeping the media busy while his administration rip the heart and lungs out the US. Surely that should be the focus...

Originally Posted by Neo

but as President he's keeping the media busy while his administration rip the heart and lungs out the US. Surely that should be the focus...

"Isn't that what's called "brainwashing"?

It the easy option isn't it to bemoan Trump's lack of etiquette and controversial business relations, while his admin slash $9 billion from education and wipe their arse with the Paris Agreement.

Originally Posted by Neo

It the easy option isn't it to bemoan Trump's lack of etiquette and controversial business relations, while his admin slash $9 billion from education and wipe their arse with the Paris Agreement.

Those things have been mentioned here. Of course his disastrous policies are what really matter. They are an extension of his, and many conservatives, flaws as a human being.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

at least trump doesn't have a nickname like "slick willie".

Originally Posted by redhaze

Good comeback LMAO

Originally Posted by Humbert

Yep. Hillarious in some circles I suppose. Are you a big fan of Greg Gutfeld?

See I can't tell whether I'm just misunderstanding you being sarcastic now....?

Allow me to clarify just in case: It was the quite possibly the worst comeback I've heard in my life. No one in their right mind would have found it funny, and everyone is now dumber for having read it.

Perhaps the eye roll emoji would have helped lol?

Originally Posted by redhaze

See I can't tell whether I'm just misunderstanding you being sarcastic now....?

Yup. Missed your sarcasm. I guess the LMAO threw me off. Not an acronym I use much. Kind of a millenial thing I guess. I'm old school as you know.