Thread: Deter somebody?

Now back to the topic and try answering the questions in previous post

Back to the subject:
What are you so hot about, what ONE Congressman is claiming. All this report is saying that the U.S. has send “ humanitarian aid to the areas controlled by Muslim fundamentalists”. There is no talk of weapons or money which I consider a real support for Taliban. But your report also claims that your beloved Pakistan “that Taliban has the strong backing of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia”, which I consider a bloody support. But that is peanuts in your eyes because Pakistan gave refuge to Hazaras. I got news for you Macha: “The U.S. ,Canada and others also gave refuge and a new home to Hazaras. Don’t forget to say “Thank You” to them too.
On the other hand I could tell you that this Congressman is talking garbage. I read reports that the Taliban blew up the Buddha Statue because they did not receive any humanitarian aid. They were jealous because so many Afghans have received aid but they didn’t.
Is this really true? I don’t know! Only the Talibans can answer these questions.
But now back to the real subject:
Muslims have long before the Taliban messed up the Buddha statue. I guess you could say: “Muslims took turns with the demolition”. So don’t try to talk yourself out of this one again and blame the U.S. , the jews, and the rest of the world. You are not going to make it better by saying the Hazaras tried to stop it, because I’am sure you’re the one with the lighter in his hand trying to light the dynamite.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

What are you so hot about, what ONE Congressman is claiming. All this report is saying that the U.S. has send “ humanitarian aid to the areas controlled by Muslim fundamentalists”. There is no talk of weapons or money which I consider a real support for Taliban

So America sent humanitarian aid to the ones who were supporting and hiding Osama Bin Laden. Why?? Now don't tell me the U.S was trying to win hearts and minds. Americans also sent aid to Saddam and we saw what happened to the Kurds and Iranians.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

But your report also claims that your beloved Pakistan “that Taliban has the strong backing of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia”, which I consider a bloody support.

Who are the Talibans and who are the creators?? Didn't U.S.A pour billions of dollars in Pakistani madrassahs and created them, armed them to their teeth and left them when they got what they wanted??

Pakistan cannot support it's public, let alone supporting Taliban.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I got news for you Macha: “The U.S. ,Canada and others also gave refuge and a new home to Hazaras. Don’t forget to say “Thank You” to them too.

It might be news for you but it's nothing new for me. The U.S never gave refuge. Canada, Australia, Holland, Denmark, Norway, and many more took refugees. And I thank them for it. Okay Herman??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

On the other hand I could tell you that this Congressman is talking garbage.

Of course anyone who says something other than what you want to hear talks garbage.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I read reports that the Taliban blew up the Buddha Statue because they did not receive any humanitarian aid. They were jealous because so many Afghans have received aid but they didn’t.

Well then I think you are an A Hole for saying that the Taliban blew the statues because Islam says so.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

But now back to the real subject:Muslims have long before the Taliban messed up the Buddha statue. I guess you could say: “Muslims took turns with the demolition”. So don’t try to talk yourself out of this one again and blame the U.S. , the jews, and the rest of the world. You are not going to make it better by saying the Hazaras tried to stop it, because I’am sure you’re the one with the lighter in his hand trying to light the dynamite.

It's hard to convince a Jew I know.

Originally Posted by sabang

What war?
If you actually think that starting some sort of Religious war is even on the minds of the most wacky US administration that I can recall, why then are they about to sell $50bn of arms to the Middle East?

Not sure if I've posted here but feels as though this thread's slipped through the net...

A religious war has already begun, unilaterally, by the Islamists, and our leaders well know that's precisely what it is even through their gritted teeth denials and the distraction of a WoT...this may be open to nitpicking but has been stated unambiguously by not one or a dozen but hundreds of influential Islamic figures, and can't see any reasonable argument against it.

It probably will not develop into a full blown affair, for many reasons not least that most Muslims living in the West are productive and an integral part of their societies, and of course if it did that would be the catalyst for the downfall of civilisation as we know it. No clarification needed, that too should be clear.

Also, in the context of Iraq and the so called WoT that some claim is the reason there are so many budding terrorists eager to sign up, the number of innocent and culpable Muslims killed is irrelevant, since the recruiters are recruiting and would have been recruiting without Afghanistan, Iraq, profiling, Abu Ghraib or any other of the myriad retaliatory pretexts, their breeding stocks are by design ignorant, repressed and fully compliant in line with Islamic teachings they are brought up with, and it matters little to none that the Western powers are scooping up as much oil as they can, because the alternative is stagnation for both Western societies, which are overly dependent on the stuff, and the oil bearers, who cannot drink it. That consequence may be utopia for some, but not for the advanced nations.

As to why arms producers east and west trample over each other to get their wares into the ME, this is part and parcel of the corporate government, neither the suppliers nor the end users have much choice in the matter, oil is demanded, has to be paid for, and suppliers want a military deterrent as well as the perception of stability and national pride enjoyed by the latest toys.

We need their oil and they need what we have to offer, be it arms, new cities, extravagances, diplomatic accommodation or ego boosting high level hospitality, a symbiotic relationship, and though there are many flaws and conflicts in how the principle is practiced, somehow it plods along causing fewer problems than any viable alternative, which is implicit. For now.

Oil will always be needed, if only for lubrication, but once a truly concerned US admin awakens to realise it has to disregard short term corporate need and greed, and starts the ball rolling in a serious long term effort to develop a viable alternative, and until the West is able to sustain its oil-driven growth via that alternative power source, our leaders will go cap in hand to the suppliers, and if necessary give them arms that they know may ultimately be used against the free world.

Small picture or big picture.

Ok, that's enough Macha and Herman, I deleted a few posts which were getting a bit too insulting.
Do not post pornlinks to cause offense, Herman.

A religious war has already begun, unilaterally, by the Islamists

That's turning reality on it's head.

The fact is, USrael attacked the citizens of the US on 9/11 and then used that as a pretext for a war against Islam.

bin laden said this back in September 2001:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

And many of you here are too dumb to see the obvious - you've been duped into supporting a war started by your own governments against a people that just ask the rest of us to stay the hell out of their countries, i.e. the Middle East.

Originally Posted by kerux

The fact is, USrael attacked the citizens of the US on 9/11 and then used that as a pretext for a war against Islam.

Hmm, that's a conspiracy theory, isn't it?
Up there with "the holocaust didn't happen" and "there was no moon-landing".

The only Islamic wacko's calling for a full blown religious war against the West are Al Qaeda, a radical fringe group unfortunately boosted in numbers by the Iraqi invasion. Fortunately now many Sunni Iraqi's seem to be turning against them. Apart from that, you're maybe looking at a few radical clerics.

Frankly, describing an all out religious war seems to be more common in the West, a right wing wacko Christian or Zionist viewpoint. Do not confuse religious warfare with Iraqi resistance, or Taliban guerilla fighting.

And yes Keda, I think our economies should be far more proactive in weaning themselves off oil dependency, for several reasons. Once ME oil runs down, Russia stands to be the prime supplier.