Thread: Deter somebody?

Originally Posted by stroller

Apart from being off-topic, discussing repo points, yet again, inspite of numerous reminders, I did not red you for a comment in this thread, nor did I call you a "Yid".

If you are so intellectually impoverished that you have to resort to personal attacks about someone's nationality and history, not for the first time, btw, you shouldn't be surprised when it hits you back via a repo comment.

Don't try to wiggel yourself out of this one AGAIN. Remember that you are a Mod/Admin or whatever. You are not God!
You don't have to comment every post here on Teak Door. I'am sure Machangezi can speak for himself. If he (Machangezi) insults me or the U.S. I have no problem with it because it is very easy to get back at him. But YOU jumping in the middle like a little nurd gets on my nerves. I told you in a very polite way to constrain yourself.

I love the english/american way because (that's why I'am at Teakdoor and not Sauerkrautdoor) they can dish out but also take a beating. You remind me a bit about those german soccer players when they get fouled...lay down and cry...the english man gets up and continues to play.
Now let's continue the Game

You've been continually provoking myself as a mod with your plagiarising, borderline and off-topic comments, and myself as a person with your sentiments against Germans. Even trying to tell me where to comment or not.

Quite ironic, since you tried to pass yourself off as German.

I hope you enjoy the hospitality and opportunities in my homecountry.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

All American friends... 29-07-2007 02:56 PM stroller you're paid by the yids

i have no dog in this fight but for the sake of clarity -- did you make the above comment, khun stroller?

....?

I don't remember the words, but I did give him a red in the "American friends" thread - so I suppose I am owned on this one!

wow...how many ways is this fucked up? maybe you need a break from the whole modding thing. some time to clear your head. while i have no doubt that many posters here will have no problem with the use of this word -- i must say that i am quite surprised given the consistent theme of many of your posts. step away. clear your head. say and do what you wish as a poster and have fun doing it. i have no vendetta with you. indeed i agree with nearly all the politiical positions you take. perhaps i should send this via pm....wow

I am not sure what your problem is?

But I will indeed be off for some time, my yearly trip home is coming up. And I have been rather fed up with this thankless task of modding and being constantly attacked, whether I delete stuff or not.
Accusations range from me being a Nazi Gauleiter to an agent of the Jews removing anti-semitic "truth".

...and I am not complaining about the pms and repos I've been getting.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Thank You! You have reacted exactly the way I thought.

Have I?

You refused to answer me properly and played stupid on the other thread. https://teakdoor.com/355341-post183.html (All American friends are possible targets)

I can't be arsed to click on that link and look for what you have asked. I think I told you on other thread that I will only answer your questions if you stay on topic and explain it properly.
If you are really want an answer then post them on the same thread, one by one, and I shall answer them one by one.

But now you have shown us your real face.

What the fuck are you on about again eh? That was an intelligent answer to your stupid question.

For you guys its o.k. to shoot the Pope,

I'd love to know more about Pope's shooting.

blow up churches and even mosques,

Like Muslims are the only one doing that?

tear down Buddha statues,

We tore down Buddah's statue? Herman are you really that stupid or are you making special efforts today? The statues of Buddah was taken care of by Muslims for thousands of years (read a lil history before spouting shit and making a complete fool of yourself). You think all Muslims support Taliban? Answer YES or NO. Your answer will suffice.

kill inocent people who write about islam.

You mean ridiculing Islam?
.... and yeah we are killing innocent people in Iraq.

The U.S. was rather kind with their reaction to 9/11 compared to what you guys would have started WWIII.

A Jew speaking.

Calling me a Jew is a compliment for me (the smartest people on this planet).

You forgot to say "the holiest".

Now I have one question for you (actually the second question) do you think the US has made the right decision of invading Iraq?

[quote=machangezi;357987]

WASHINGTON, Aug 2: Republican presidential hopeful Tom Tancredo says the best way he can think of to deter a nuclear terrorist attack on the US is to threaten to retaliate by bombing Islamic holy sites.

And:

These are the early signs of a nation that is about to go down the shitters. I am sure the US will be down on its knees by 2022.

Other policy-makers have made the point of bombing Islamic Holy Sites.

Maybe it'll be a deterrant; maybe not.

I don't think it will, IMO.

Why the year 2022?

Is there something significant about the year 2022?

Originally Posted by sabang

The sheer illogic is amazing, and shows what sort of a vacuum some of these guys live in. And this is a guy who wants to make a run for president.
Attack a target with absolutely no military or strategic value, yet guaranteed to unite every Moslem, domestically and internationally, implacably against you?
How mind numbingly stupid.

exactly.

and he aint got a hope in hell of making it.

but that wont stop the dickheads on the other side reacting AKA Macha in an entirely ahte filled predicatbale rant!

The Yanks do love bombing impoverished civilians though.
Should get a lot of support from a lot of simple minded US voters.

Originally Posted by Panda

The Yanks do love bombing impoverished civilians though.
Should get a lot of support from a lot of simple minded US voters.

We tore down Buddah's statue? Herman are you really that stupid or are you making special efforts today? The statues of Buddah was taken care of by Muslims for thousands of years (read a lil history before spouting shit and making a complete fool of yourself). You think all Muslims support Taliban?

BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Giant Buddha statues 'blown up'

Now I have one question for you (actually the second question) do you think the US has made the right decision of invading Iraq?

I have answered it before! The U.S. should have never invaded Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, and take care of their own country (plenty of work to do there).
The U.S. should Stop supporting Pakistan so the Mullahs can take over and the whole region will be up in fire. Let the Indians and Chinese take care of it...for all I care.
What was your other question?

Throughout Islam's history in Afghanistan the statues were preserved and no Muslim doctrine has suggested their destruction". Egyptian religious leader

This is from the link that you provided. Did you care to read that part. Muslims throughout the world condemned it.

The statues once stood in the beautiful valley of Bamiyan which is mostly inhabited by the Hazara tribe (I myself belong to the same tribe). If you are interested in the history click on this link:

Buddha

The city fell to the taliban in september 1998 if I am not wrong. The taleban had received aid from the U.S in march of 1998. Thousands were slaughtered by the Taleban in the same year in bamiyan and Mazar e Sharrif. I think the Aid helped the Taleban in achieving their goals.

The link below tells the whole story.

Congressman charges Clinton administration with favouring Taliban

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Now I have one question for you (actually the second question) do you think the US has made the right decision of invading Iraq?

No.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I have answered it before! The U.S. should have never invaded Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, and take care of their own country (plenty of work to do there).
The U.S. should Stop supporting Pakistan so the Mullahs can take over and the whole region will be up in fire. Let the Indians and Chinese take care of it...for all I care.
What was your other question?

Enter....fuck and chuck you mean??

America made the wrong decision and now they have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Why the year 2022?

Is there something significant about the year 2022?

I guesstimated that.

Now why did the U.S sent aid to such people who don't care about other people's religious symbols??

Originally Posted by machangezi

Now why did the U.S sent aid to such people who don't care about other people's religious symbols??

Like who?

[quote=machangezi;359244][quote]Throughout Islam's history in Afghanistan the statues were preserved and no Muslim doctrine has suggested their destruction". Egyptian religious leader

This is from the link that you provided. Did you care to read that part. Muslims throughout the world condemned it.

I guess this was meant to be a muslim joke that you didn't get!!!!
Muslims DID destroy the statue many years ago. First they damaged the faces of any religious statue.

The Muslims however didn't much damage except chapping the faces of Buddha's Statues.

Didn't much damage doesn't mean they DIDN'T !

During the modern era of Afghanistan this historical heritage was badly damaged during the regime of Amir Abdul Rahman (1880-1901) when Amir conquered this region after a long and sever battle with the Hazaras (1880-1893). He not only killed and forced thousands of Hazara to migrate but also destroyed the whole historical Heritage, specially the Heritage of Bamyan which belonged to the Hazaras, in revenge.

I guess this guy Abdul Toiletbowl must have been in his real life a jew disguised as a muslim.

The early Muslims were generally hostile towards Buddhists. They referred to Buddhists as 'idol-worshipers,' which had unfortunate associations with the portrayal of the Prophet's Meccan enemies in the Qur'an. This probably, at least in part, accounts for the unabatingly harsh treatment Muslims reserved for the Buddhists they encountered in the course of their conquest."

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by machangezi

Now why did the U.S sent aid to such people who don't care about other people's religious symbols??

Like who?

There're two links in me previous post. Click on it and read for yourself.

Shalom

[quote=HermantheGerman;369497][quote=machangezi;359244]

Throughout Islam's history in Afghanistan the statues were preserved and no Muslim doctrine has suggested their destruction". Egyptian religious leader

This is from the link that you provided. Did you care to read that part. Muslims throughout the world condemned it.

I guess this was meant to be a muslim joke that you didn't get!!!!
Muslims DID destroy the statue many years ago. First they damaged the faces of any religious statue.

The Muslims however didn't much damage except chapping the faces of Buddha's Statues.

Didn't much damage doesn't mean they DIDN'T !

During the modern era of Afghanistan this historical heritage was badly damaged during the regime of Amir Abdul Rahman (1880-1901) when Amir conquered this region after a long and sever battle with the Hazaras (1880-1893). He not only killed and forced thousands of Hazara to migrate but also destroyed the whole historical Heritage, specially the Heritage of Bamyan which belonged to the Hazaras, in revenge.

I guess this guy Abdul Toiletbowl must have been in his real life a jew disguised as a muslim.

The early Muslims were generally hostile towards Buddhists. They referred to Buddhists as 'idol-worshipers,' which had unfortunate associations with the portrayal of the Prophet's Meccan enemies in the Qur'an. This probably, at least in part, accounts for the unabatingly harsh treatment Muslims reserved for the Buddhists they encountered in the course of their conquest."

WHAT? Many armies came to Afghanistan and left. What are you on about?
My point is that Hazaras (a Muslim tribe) kept those statues safe for thousands of years. They died saving those statues.

I was just trying to put your attention on that aspect. An idoit comes out of blues saying that Muslims destroyed the statues ain't just. But hey I know asking a Jew to be just is something out of this world cos after all they are the holiest amongst us. The same idiot should know that those statues were destroyed cos the American gov't funded those nasty Talibans. On the other hand the Hazaras gave their lives just to keep them standing.

There are tens, if not hundreds, of Hindu temple in my native city. Nobody does anything to them.

YOUR POINT?

The same idiot should know that those statues were destroyed cos the American gov't funded those nasty Talibans. On the other hand the Hazaras gave their lives just to keep them standing.

Has the donkey gone wild again? Statement from your link....

The Taliban are supported by their masters - the Pakistan army and Saudi Royal family.

There are tens, if not hundreds, of Hindu temple in my native city. Nobody does anything to them.

Type in at Google "Temple destroyed in Pakistan"

YOUR POINT?

How many Synagogues have YOU guys destroyed lately all over the world?
How many Mosques have jews destroyed lately.

How many churches have YOU guys destroyed lately all over the world?
How many Mosques have christians destroyed lately.

How many Hindu Tempels have YOU guys destroyed lately all over the world?
How many Mosques have hindus destroyed lately.

How many Mosques have YOU guys destroyed lately all over the world?
How many Mosques have jews, christians, hindus, destroyed lately.

Want to make a hit list and compare score?
I hope your math is better then your dirty religious tongue

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Has the donkey gone wild again? Statement from your link....

What about the other link that I gave before?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

How many Synagogues have YOU guys destroyed lately all over the world?
How many Mosques have jews destroyed lately.

I think Israeli bulldozers destroying houses mosques schools and all that stuff don't fit into your equation eh?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Want to make a hit list and compare score?

Herman, you said Muslims destroy other people's religious symbols and you gave the Buddha statues as an example.

I replied and gave you two links:

Link # 1. shows that the statues were protected and located in the area which was and still is populated by Hazaras who are also Muslims. It also specifies the date when the city, where the two statues were located, fell to the Taliban. I think it is in the month of september in the year 1998.

Link # 2. Shows that the U.S sent aid to the Taliban in March 1998. The U.S paved the way for the Taliban to invade and control the city.

I'll think about the list but first of all answer the question that you have been carefully ignoring and trying to twist: Why did the U.S sent aid to the ruthless mofos also known as Taliban in March 1998??

Optional Question: Don't you think that the aid helped the Taliban to invade the city which they couldn't for so many years??

Macha!
I'am not trying to avoid your questions. But if you could stop hating so much maybe we could get along better.
How is this for an answer:

Afterward, they said, the Taliban members celebrated and taunted
the Hazaras. "They told us: 'We have killed your gods,'" said
Mohammed, the Hazara elder.
But the Hazaras did not worship the Buddhas, or consider them
gods. The Buddhas were priceless symbols of the Hazara people, who
regret that they could not save them.
"We loved our Buddhas very much," Hussein said.

* They were erected before the Hazaras converted in the ninth
century from Buddhism to Shiite Islam.
I guess they still had some sense left over from their ancestors centuries ago.
Macha! Maybe you should convert back again. I read that Pakistani explosive experts helped to blow up what the Hazaris have build. How can you be so proud to be a Pakistani when in fact you are a Hazari. Read this article and maybe you should find out who your real friends are.

Afghanistan's success story: The liberated Hazara minority

Unlike US intervention in Iraq, the fall of the Taliban has helped assuage communal tension in Afghanistan

BAMIYAN, AFGHANISTAN - The last thing Azi Zula Haideri saw as he climbed higher into the snow-choked passes of the Hindu Kush was the smoke, a signal in ash and soot that the Taliban were nearing, burning and killing as they came.
Less than a year later, in 2001, when the Taliban fell to forces supported by the United States, the world heralded it as a victory for freedom and for women oppressed by the burqa. But Mr. Haideri remembers it as something different: Salvation for himself and his people, the Hazaras.
Haideri had fled into the mountains to escape the Taliban, who butchered Hazaras by the thousands, killing them because they were Shiites and "foreigners" – descended from the Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan.
Now, however, Haideri sits at a tea stand in this predominately Hazara city and agrees that there has never been a better time for his people. In contrast with the American experience in Iraq, which has unleashed deep-seated sectarian violence, Western intervention here has ended one of the more brutal chapters in this nation's history of ethnic strife.
In post-Taliban Afghanistan, it is one of the few unequivocal, though often overlooked, successes. After centuries of discrimination, abuse, and even ethnic cleansing, the country's third-largest ethnic group has at last managed to find peace and even prosperity in the new Afghanistan.
"The interim administration [in 2001] was the start of a golden period for Hazaras," says Abdul Ahad Farzam, a human-rights activist in Bamiyan. "Doors opened for Hazaras."
At times, President Hamid Karzai has had as many as six Hazaras as cabinet ministers. The governors of Herat and Bamiyan provinces are Hazaras. And anecdotal information suggests that Hazaras are achieving in higher education: One unconfirmed report suggests that Kabul University accepted 600 students from one Hazara district alone, and a professor of law and political science at Herat University says half his students are Hazaras.
From a Western perspective, the change is welcome. Hazaras "will never be reconciled with the Taliban," says Mohammed Rafiq Shahir, the professor at Herat University. "That is why the international community is building them up."
Moreover, Hazaras are perhaps the most liberal of Afghanistan's Muslim sects. A local human-rights activist remembers trying to convince local Hazara clerics that the Western concept of human rights are in concert with Islam.
"At the beginning they were suspicious, since it was new and it coincided with the US toppling the Taliban – it was seen as a campaign to bring in Western culture," says Musa Sultani, regional director of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission. Yet by the end of the discussion, Mr. Sultani had persuaded the clerics so thoroughly that they issued a written decree supporting every point.
"Hazaras are open to change," says Sultani, who is himself a Hazara. "They are open to new ideas and are not very fanatical."
The head of the Clergy Council of Bamiyan agrees. "I have been to four or five big seminars of all the religious scholars from all parts of Afghanistan, and our clergy are more open," says Baba Mohsini, noting that Hazaras have even followed Sunni rules for prayer in the past simply to keep Sunni rulers happy.
It is this adaptability, say Hazaras and others, that has helped them to take advantage of what they were long denied. Indeed, until the Soviets arrived in the late 1970s, Afghan law kept Hazaras from entering the Army, enrolling in higher education, or securing top government jobs. A century earlier, they were sold in the markets of Kabul as slaves.
It has never been primarily a matter of religion, experts agree. With the exception of Taliban times, the Sunni–Shiite divide has never been strong in Afghanistan.
Unique among Afghans, Hazaras have Oriental features, giving momentum to the belief that the Hazaras – roughly translated as "The Thousands" – are descended from 1,000 Mongol families who stayed behind after Genghis Khan invaded Bamiyan in 1221. The intervening eight centuries have not been sufficient to erase the perception of Hazaras as Afghan outsiders.
These historical prejudices have led to the lowest and most menial of tasks – from pushing carts though the city to house cleaning – being considered as Hazaras' work. When Haideri joined the Army, he says he was asked to sweep the floors and carry large items. Asked why none of the others were given such tasks, he recalls the officer as saying: "You are a Hazara. You are not an Afghan, you are Chinese."
Even since the fall of the Taliban, discrimination lingers. When Mr. Farzam went to the Ministry of Education in 2002 to pick up paperwork for a scholarship to study in Iran, the clerk told him he was glad that "you stupid people are going out of the country to learn how to be a human being." Weeks later, Farzam learned that the scholarship had been revoked and given to someone else.
"Among educated people there has been a change. They are convinced that Hazaras can be like them," says Farzam. "Among uneducated people, they still think that we are second-class citizens."
Still, Farzam is optimistic. In a story common throughout Afghanistan, he says he knows of an old Hazara man in his neighborhood who had written "Tajik" as his ethnicity on his government identity card. But the shame of being a Hazara, Farzam says, "does not exist in the new generation."
• Mr. Sappenfield is the New Delhi correspondent for the Monitor and USA Today.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Macha!
I'am not trying to avoid your questions. But if you could stop hating so much maybe we could get along better.

Hate?? You not that important Herman. I feel sad to see a person poking fun at 1.4++ billion people. I feel it has got something to do with that Jews being holy thingy. I mean how can I get along with people who consider themselves holier than others??

How is this for an answer

Irrelevant to say the least.

your answer proves my point. You always act as if you know and can judge anything. why do you think I should convert??

Pakistan is my country and the country of more than 250,000 Hazaras, Pakistan's leaders supported Taliban thats bad, but why did the U.S sent aid to them??

You think America didn't know or didn't have to do anything with Pakistani leaders supporting Taliban?

Though Pakistani leaders helped the enemies of Hazaras but Pakistan also gave the Hazaras, who fled Afghanistan in search of shelter, a place to live?? Did you ever think that Pakistan gave the Hazaras what they never had in their own country, i.e Rights??

There are sad events, like terrorists attacks on Shia mosques in Pakistan but it also happens with the sunnis..... and I don't hate Pakistan for that cos I was a Paki, I am a Paki, and I will always be a proud Paki.

Shalom.