Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

There are three reasons for war, $, $, $.
There are three ways to win a war, $, $, $.

Actually, $$$ is a major reason I have personally come to believe one state is a more feasible option than two, going forward.

Originally Posted by ENT

There are three reasons for war, $, $, $.
There are three ways to win a war, $, $, $.

Spot on ,cos if Hamas give the "Silent Majority"" in Gaza the vote which has been denied them for 5 years and is now shelved indefinitely and they voted for a peace deal with Israel then the Arab gravy train would stop , the average Gazan lives in squalor whilst their multi millionaire silk suited leaders living in exile spur them on to fight the good fight against the evil Zionists ,whilst the nightly Hamas TV brainwashes the young kids into believing that Jews are apes and pigs , yeah they are doing quite nicely out of fermenting Jewish hatred , just one article out many saying the same thing and Sabang please feel feel to discount the article if you so please , thats if you even bother to read it Gaza's Millionaires and Billionaires -- How Hamas's Leaders Got Rich Quick | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

The national Referendum I refer to is actually of Israel, not Palestine. Hamas however has stated something quite similar- namely that it would abide by a negotiated peace settlement between thee two states, subject only to it being passed by a Referendum of the Palestinian people. I reckon that's about as democratic and statesmanlike a statement as you'll get from them.

Originally Posted by sabang

Actually, $$$ is a major reason I have personally come to believe one state is a more feasible option than two, going forward.

An amended voting/power-sharing system would be necessary to maintain Jewish interest in maintaining a homogenous, yet cosmopolitan Israel.

The corrupt Hamas Millionaire leaders make the decisions ,sadly Mahmoud Abbas the so called PA leader is just a figurehead and is even regarded as a traitor by Hamas whilst they wax fat on corruption in Gaza , you may say that ahh this video is on Memri , does that mean that the high ranking PA official is a liar or its not even him thats speaking ? may be any one could post a video of what good the Hamas leaders are doing in Gaza ?

Good article, it would appear that Hamas and Fattah are as far away as ever in reaching a consensus of opinion , the reason is obviously money, and if any one thinks they will some how get together over such an important issue like Israel then IMHO they are deranged Another Hamas-Fatah reconciliation agreement bites the dust - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Hamas cannot even reach any sort of agreement with their other Palestinian counterpart Fattah , every deal over the years has just vanished in the dust ,its all there in the Article 1107 so HTF can they reach a deal with Israel? its sadly laughable .

So the way it stands, taking into account Israel's new legislation permitting referenda, and that only a referendum will in future decide if any Israeli held land will be ceded to Arab interests, it looks as though the Golan and West Bank will be effectively Israel for as long as the collective Israeli will dictates.

Originally Posted by ENT

So the way it stands, taking into account Israel's new legislation permitting referenda, and that only a referendum will in future decide if any Israeli held land will be ceded to Arab interests, it looks as though the Golan and West Bank will be effectively Israel for as long as the collective Israeli will dictates.

And only dreamers believe that Hamas will agree to a joint Palestinian referendum on the Israeli issue, cos they can't even agree among themselves on smaller issues as the article in my post 1107 readily denotes .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

And only dreamers believe that Hamas will agree to a joint Palestinian referendum on the Israeli issue,

Hamas has already stated it will, in fact has stated it is the condition for them accepting and abiding by a peace deal- a Referendum being held, passing with a simple majority of 50% or more of the occupied Palestinian population. As I wrote just a few posts above.

So what is your point- are you saying that Hamas is deliberately lying about this? If so, based on what evidence.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

And only dreamers believe that Hamas will agree to a joint Palestinian referendum on the Israeli issue,

Hamas has already stated it will, in fact has stated it is the condition for them accepting and abiding by a peace deal- a Referendum being held, passing with a simple majority of 50% or more of the occupied Palestinian population. As I wrote just a few posts above.

So what is your point- are you saying that Hamas is deliberately lying about this? If so, based on what evidence.

Yep , based on the evidence that they have been lying and cheating their own people in Gaza since they took absolute power .

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Psue...there are no Americans...just citizens of America , correct ?

I made the point because in israel there is a distinct barely surprising difference. If you can drag yourself away from a Murdoch media outlet go and have a look.

Oh yes, the racial or demographic national profile of an "American".
1% "native American or Alaska native"
1% "mixed racially with native American or with Alaska native"

Is that your point , pseu ?

[65% of Israel's 8 million citizens are considered non-Haredi Jews.]

Oh dear. No.

Try again. Why do you mix american and alaska into this? Has nothing to do with it.

The PA, both Fattah and Hamas are rotten to the core with Corruption , I do hope that this source is acceptable https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/corruption-in-palestine/

You have the last word , in boxers terms I can't fight my opponent and the ref too .

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

And only dreamers believe that Hamas will agree to a joint Palestinian referendum on the Israeli issue,

Hamas has already stated it will, in fact has stated it is the condition for them accepting and abiding by a peace deal- a Referendum being held, passing with a simple majority of 50% or more of the occupied Palestinian population. As I wrote just a few posts above.

So what is your point- are you saying that Hamas is deliberately lying about this? If so, based on what evidence.

Hamas ? Who the fuck is Hamas ?

Palestine is just a scapegoat for muslims to continue their war. Hamas is a puppet with string attached to Iran. Iran has made plenty of comments that they want the good ole days back.




In the meantime Israel has to do whatever is necessary to protect itself from these religious nutters (Iran vs House of Saud). They are doing it as shrewed as jew could be way, and have my full support. Is anyone realy so naive to think that if Israel is wiped off this map that the Palestinian will have peace or their own country ?
Maybe they will then have ONE TIME democratic election to vote that there will be NO MORE elections....and another Islamic Republic is born. But who will be in charge ?

^Iran will finance any Group that provides a terrorist threat to Israel , I wonder how much land Israel has "Stolen " from the Iranians? they provide Hezbollah with 100s of millions and sophisticated rockets too,Congressional Report: Iran Spends Billions to Foment Global Terror good article with plenty more saying the same thing

I just can't see how some selfhating people seem to think this is a ...?.. problem.
Actually when you look on how muslims are screwing themselves up, this is a LUXURY problem.
There are a lot more serious problems in this world, so lets put this on page 366 and move on.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

^Iran will finance any Group that provides a terrorist threat to Israel , I wonder how much land Israel has "Stolen " from the Iranians? they provide Hezbollah with 100s of millions and sophisticated rockets too,Congressional Report: Iran Spends Billions to Foment Global Terror good article with plenty more saying the same thing

Good point !

20.770 km² and still wheeping like

Originally Posted by sabang

When France took over Alsace Lorraine after WW2, the residents automatically became French citizens.
When Czech took over the Sudeten after WW2, the residents became Czech citizens.
When Poland was granted large parts of Silesia after WW2, the residents became Polish citizens.
When Jordan annexed the West Bank of Palestine, the residents became Jordanian citizens.
American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, Canadian Innuit- all citizens of their respective countries. With all of the Rights and obligations that entails.

But Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine, and systematically colonising it, for 50 years- and, what? One State, or Two? Wake up, quit dreaming.

You are wrong Sabang! Other people (non-muslims) are able to move on. Forgive and Forget!

THINK ABOUT IT !

Hardliner becomes Israel's new defence minister


Of the 120-seat Knesset, 55 members voted in favor of Avigdor Liberman's appointment, while 43 voted against.

One of Israel's most controversial politicians, hard-liner Avigdor Liberman, was sworn in as the country's new defense minister on Monday.

Liberman's appointment comes after weeks of political turmoil leading to the resignation of his predecessor, Moshe "Bogie" Ya'alon, in protest.
The majority of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, voted in favor of Liberman. Israel state radio broadcast on Monday that of the 120-seat Knesset, 55 members voted in favor of Liberman, while 43 voted in opposition.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition now includes all the right-wing parties and excludes the left-wing parties, which some politicians find problematic.

Hanan Ashrawi, a Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee member, has criticized the addition of Liberman to the government.

"Such a decision is extremely dangerous. Lieberman, who has called for the beheading of Palestinians and for their transfer outside the state of Israel, is a serious threat to peace and stability, and his appointment will generate a culture of lawlessness, extremism, violence and hate in Israel."

Liberman, a member of the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party, has a history of making controversial comments.

In March 2015, Liberman said that Arab-Israelis who are not loyal to Israel should be beheaded. "We need to pick up an ax and cut off his head," he said, speaking before the most recent elections. In 2001, he said he would bomb Egypt's Aswan Dam in the event of a war between Israel and Egypt.

However, when it comes to peacemaking with their neighbors, both Netanyahu and Liberman seem to see eye to eye, holding firm on the notion of a two-state solution with the Palestinians.

"I take this opportunity to make clear that I remain committed to making peace with the Palestinians and with all our neighbors," said Netanyahu.

"I listened to everything you [the Prime Minister] said and I absolutely agree with every word, including two states for two peoples," said Liberman after Netanahu's comments on Monday.

Liberman is an immigrant from the former Soviet Union who lives in a West Bank settlement that many in the international community consider to be illegal.

He served as the foreign minister but critics have taken issue with Liberman's limited military experience as he takes on this new role.

CNN's Azadeh Ansari contributed to this article.

Hard-liner appointed new Israeli defense minister - CNN.com