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There are three reasons for war, $, $, $.
There are three ways to win a war, $, $, $.
Actually, $$$ is a major reason I have personally come to believe one state is a more feasible option than two, going forward.
Spot on ,cos if Hamas give the "Silent Majority"" in Gaza the vote which has been denied them for 5 years and is now shelved indefinitely and they voted for a peace deal with Israel then the Arab gravy train would stop , the average Gazan lives in squalor whilst their multi millionaire silk suited leaders living in exile spur them on to fight the good fight against the evil Zionists ,whilst the nightly Hamas TV brainwashes the young kids into believing that Jews are apes and pigs , yeah they are doing quite nicely out of fermenting Jewish hatred , just one article out many saying the same thing and Sabang please feel feel to discount the article if you so please , thats if you even bother to read it :) Gaza's Millionaires and Billionaires -- How Hamas's Leaders Got Rich Quick | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.comQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
The national Referendum I refer to is actually of Israel, not Palestine. Hamas however has stated something quite similar- namely that it would abide by a negotiated peace settlement between thee two states, subject only to it being passed by a Referendum of the Palestinian people. I reckon that's about as democratic and statesmanlike a statement as you'll get from them.
An amended voting/power-sharing system would be necessary to maintain Jewish interest in maintaining a homogenous, yet cosmopolitan Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
The corrupt Hamas Millionaire leaders make the decisions ,sadly Mahmoud Abbas the so called PA leader is just a figurehead and is even regarded as a traitor by Hamas whilst they wax fat on corruption in Gaza , you may say that ahh this video is on Memri , does that mean that the high ranking PA official is a liar or its not even him thats speaking ? may be any one could post a video of what good the Hamas leaders are doing in Gaza ?:)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXIaCaW3POE
Good article, it would appear that Hamas and Fattah are as far away as ever in reaching a consensus of opinion , the reason is obviously money, and if any one thinks they will some how get together over such an important issue like Israel then IMHO they are deranged:) Another Hamas-Fatah reconciliation agreement bites the dust - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
Hamas cannot even reach any sort of agreement with their other Palestinian counterpart Fattah , every deal over the years has just vanished in the dust ,its all there in the Article 1107 so HTF can they reach a deal with Israel? its sadly laughable .
So the way it stands, taking into account Israel's new legislation permitting referenda, and that only a referendum will in future decide if any Israeli held land will be ceded to Arab interests, it looks as though the Golan and West Bank will be effectively Israel for as long as the collective Israeli will dictates.
And only dreamers believe that Hamas will agree to a joint Palestinian referendum on the Israeli issue, cos they can't even agree among themselves on smaller issues as the article in my post 1107 readily denotes .Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Hamas has already stated it will, in fact has stated it is the condition for them accepting and abiding by a peace deal- a Referendum being held, passing with a simple majority of 50% or more of the occupied Palestinian population. As I wrote just a few posts above. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
So what is your point- are you saying that Hamas is deliberately lying about this? If so, based on what evidence.
Yep , based on the evidence that they have been lying and cheating their own people in Gaza since they took absolute power .Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Oh dear. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffeeOh yes, the racial or demographic national profile of an "American".Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
1% "native American or Alaska native"
1% "mixed racially with native American or with Alaska native"
Is that your point , pseu ?:confused:
[65% of Israel's 8 million citizens are considered non-Haredi Jews.]
Try again. Why do you mix american and alaska into this? Has nothing to do with it.
They are all at it, Hamas is knocking the Pali's in Gaza side ways, and Fattah is stuffing them up the arse in The West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas ( The father of the nation):rofl: is worth a reputed 100 million dollars , just another eye opener for you to dismiss out of hand :) Palestinian President Constructing $13 Million Palace HTF is that Monstrosity going to help the normal Pali in the West Bank when many can't even afford to send their kids to school ?
The PA, both Fattah and Hamas are rotten to the core with Corruption , I do hope that this source is acceptable :) https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/corruption-in-palestine/
Did you actually read the article Piwi?
"the cost of the palace is dwarfed by that being spent on the construction of a new combined residence and office in Jerusalem for the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. The project, approved by the Israeli government in May 2014, is estimated to cost $188 million."
That's a lot more than $13 million. As for corruption, yes the PNA is known for it- as is the Israeli government:-
Fresh corruption allegations have surfaced in Israel, with two key political figures now being investigated for possible wrongdoing.
On Wednesday, Israeli media reported that opposition Zionist Union head Isaac Herzog was being investigated for possible campaign finance irregularities and for receiving funds illegally.
.... According to initial reports, the accusations against Deri are more serious than those against Hertzog but authorities are staying pretty tight-lipped on both cases at the moment.
Deri, head of Sephardi ultra-Orthodox party Shas, became interior minister in January after the resignation of Silvan Shalom following allegations of sexual harassment.
Shas is vital to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's right-wing governing coalition, which holds a one-seat majority in parliament.
Deri, who had served as interior minister from 1988 to 1993, was sentenced to three years in prison in 2000 for taking $155,000 in bribes, though his sentence was reduced by a third for good behaviour.
Deri resigned as economy minister in November after refusing to overrule anti-trust authorities' objections to a major natural gas deal being pushed by Netanyahu.
.... In February, Ehud Olmert became the country's first former prime minister to end up behind bars after he was found guilty of corruption and sentenced to a 19-month prison term for separate counts of bribery and obstruction of justice.
- See more at: Fresh corruption scandals hit Israel as interior minister probed again | Middle East Eye
Why must you constantly bring threads off topic? If you must do that, at least have the decency to other TD posters to take it to the Doghouse- where there is a thriving Muslim thread, that will of course be trashed in due course. There is good reason you were banned from posting in SC and News, basically being your ability to reduce every thread to inane, childish nonsense. You were given a chance- please don't waste it, there's a good fellow.
You have the last word , in boxers terms I can't fight my opponent and the ref too .:)
Hamas ? Who the fuck is Hamas ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Palestine is just a scapegoat for muslims to continue their war. Hamas is a puppet with string attached to Iran. Iran has made plenty of comments that they want the good ole days back.
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In the meantime Israel has to do whatever is necessary to protect itself from these religious nutters (Iran vs House of Saud). They are doing it as shrewed as jew could be way, and have my full support. Is anyone realy so naive to think that if Israel is wiped off this map that the Palestinian will have peace or their own country ?
Maybe they will then have ONE TIME democratic election to vote that there will be NO MORE elections....and another Islamic Republic is born. But who will be in charge ?
^Iran will finance any Group that provides a terrorist threat to Israel , I wonder how much land Israel has "Stolen " from the Iranians? they provide Hezbollah with 100s of millions and sophisticated rockets too,Congressional Report: Iran Spends Billions to Foment Global Terror good article with plenty more saying the same thing :)
I just can't see how some selfhating people seem to think this is a ...?.. problem.
Actually when you look on how muslims are screwing themselves up, this is a LUXURY problem.
There are a lot more serious problems in this world, so lets put this on page 366 and move on.
Good point !Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
20.770 km˛ and still wheeping like :kma:
You are wrong Sabang! Other people (non-muslims) are able to move on. Forgive and Forget!Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
THINK ABOUT IT !
Hardliner becomes Israel's new defence minister
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Of the 120-seat Knesset, 55 members voted in favor of Avigdor Liberman's appointment, while 43 voted against.
One of Israel's most controversial politicians, hard-liner Avigdor Liberman, was sworn in as the country's new defense minister on Monday.
Liberman's appointment comes after weeks of political turmoil leading to the resignation of his predecessor, Moshe "Bogie" Ya'alon, in protest.
The majority of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, voted in favor of Liberman. Israel state radio broadcast on Monday that of the 120-seat Knesset, 55 members voted in favor of Liberman, while 43 voted in opposition.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition now includes all the right-wing parties and excludes the left-wing parties, which some politicians find problematic.
Hanan Ashrawi, a Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee member, has criticized the addition of Liberman to the government.
"Such a decision is extremely dangerous. Lieberman, who has called for the beheading of Palestinians and for their transfer outside the state of Israel, is a serious threat to peace and stability, and his appointment will generate a culture of lawlessness, extremism, violence and hate in Israel."
Liberman, a member of the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party, has a history of making controversial comments.
In March 2015, Liberman said that Arab-Israelis who are not loyal to Israel should be beheaded. "We need to pick up an ax and cut off his head," he said, speaking before the most recent elections. In 2001, he said he would bomb Egypt's Aswan Dam in the event of a war between Israel and Egypt.
However, when it comes to peacemaking with their neighbors, both Netanyahu and Liberman seem to see eye to eye, holding firm on the notion of a two-state solution with the Palestinians.
"I take this opportunity to make clear that I remain committed to making peace with the Palestinians and with all our neighbors," said Netanyahu.
"I listened to everything you [the Prime Minister] said and I absolutely agree with every word, including two states for two peoples," said Liberman after Netanahu's comments on Monday.
Liberman is an immigrant from the former Soviet Union who lives in a West Bank settlement that many in the international community consider to be illegal.
He served as the foreign minister but critics have taken issue with Liberman's limited military experience as he takes on this new role.
CNN's Azadeh Ansari contributed to this article.
Hard-liner appointed new Israeli defense minister - CNN.com
Is any one out there trying to suggest that the Multimillionaire leaders of Hamas living in exile in luxury at the behest of their Arab Bankroller's are NOT hardliners :smileylaughing:
With the swearing in of Lieberman (himself implicated in corruption scandals), Israel is considered to have it's most right wing government ever.
Israel Has Been Infected by the Seeds of Fascism, Says ex-Prime Minister Ehud Barak
Barak tells TV interviewer that 'there are no serious leaders left in the world who believe the Israeli government.'
Israel Has Been Infected by the Seeds of Fascism, Says ex-Prime Minister Ehud Barak - Israel News - Haaretz
Outgoing Defense Minister Ya'alon: Extremists Have Taken Over Israel - Israel News - Haaretz
'I recently found myself in strong disagreement with the prime minister on moral and professional issues,' Ya'alon says of his resignation from politics.
..."I fought with all my might against manifestations of extremism, violence and racism in Israeli society, which are threatening its sturdiness and also trickling into the IDF, hurting it already," he said.
Ya'alon, the outgoing Defence Minister, is a former Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence forces. In contrast Avigdor Lieberman, the incoming, is a former IDF Corporal who has never seen active service. :rolleyes: