Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by Norton

This must be some sort of record. Damn.

The Palestine region or parts of it have been controlled by numerous different peoples and regional powers, including the Canaanites, Amorites,[2] Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, different dynasties of the Early Muslim period (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), Crusaders, Late Muslim dynasties (Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottoman Turks), the British, Jordanians (1948–1967, on the "West Bank") and Egyptians (in Gaza), and modern Israelis and Palestinians.

Correct if I'm wrong so the real problem started when the Thieving Jews took over instead of the Thieving Jordanians and the Thieving Gypo's

Originally Posted by piwanoi

if there had been no 6 day war the Israeli's would not have been accused of stealing THEIR land

It is Their land. Are you making a case for the One state solution piwi- a combined state of Israel and Palestine, with combined citizens of a single state? Frankly, I agree- it seems to me too late for the Two state solution. I think the diversity necessarily introduced into Israel as a result might also act to arrest some of the hateful trends going on there. Basically, in the medium to long term I reckon it would make for a better and more sustainable nation (Israel remains the worlds biggest beggar nation, remember).

Originally Posted by Norton

This must be some sort of record. Damn.

I think modern Lebanon might just pip it (add the Phoenicians to the mix). Close run thing though, those places have been at the crossroads of east/west trade since forever.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

if there had been no 6 day war the Israeli's would not have been accused of stealing THEIR land

It is Their land. Are you making a case for the One state solution piwi- a combined state of Israel and Palestine, with combined citizens of a single state? Frankly, I agree- it seems to me too late for the Two state solution. I think the diversity necessarily introduced into Israel as a result might also act to arrest some of the hateful trends going on there. Basically, in the medium to long term I reckon it would make for a better and more sustainable nation (Israel remains the worlds biggest beggar nation, remember).

Originally Posted by Norton

This must be some sort of record. Damn.

I think modern Lebanon might just pip it (add the Phoenicians to the mix). Close run thing though, those places have been at the crossroads of east/west trade since forever.

Their land? why no bother when they was living under the Gypo's and Jordan? , the shit only hit the fan when those evil Jews took over.

Originally Posted by sabang

Are you making a case for the One state solution piwi- a combined state of Israel and Palestine, with combined citizens of a single state?

The only thing he's making a case for, unintentionally but compellingly, is eugenics.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Their land? why no bother when they was living under the Gypo's and Jordan?

Actually, there was quite a lot of bother. But please do not think I will waste the time to share it with you- GIYF.

However, when Jordan annexed what is now the West Bank of Palestine (or Cis Jordan if you prefer), the indigenous Palestinians were thus granted Jordanian citizenship- with all of the Rights and obligations that entails. It might interest you to know that by doing so, the population of Jordan over doubled. But it only lasted ten years or so, and was never recognised by the majority of the international community- in fact the Arab League (and Israel) were amongst the most implacable opposers.

How many refugees has Jordan taken in recently, how many Syrian refugees has Israel housed.

Originally Posted by wasabi

How many refugees has Jordan taken in recently, how many Syrian refugees has Israel housed.

How many has Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich Arab states taken in? , The question is totally meaning less .

No, they remained Palestinian throughout. Jordan comprises several ethnicities, of which Palestinian is the largest at some 50% of the population. Is an Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish or Syrian Kurd not a citizen of his respective country, but still Kurdish? Is not a Palestinian citizen of Israel both an Israeli citizen, and a Palestinian? Is a Scot not a British citizen, but still Scottish?

Originally Posted by sabang

No, they remained Palestinian throughout. Jordan comprises several ethnicities, of which Palestinian is the largest at some 50% of the population. Is an Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish or Syrian Kurd not a citizen of his respective country, but still Kurdish? Is not a Palestinian citizen of Israel both an Israeli citizen, and a Palestinian? Is a Scot not a British citizen, but still Scottish?

As stated before the combined Arab army's tried to annihilate the state Of Israel ,any one in denial of this simple fact is suffering from Alzeimers , the main instigator of the plot was Nasser who goaded King Hussain into joining him , they threw the dice and lost , tough shit , of course the Gypo's and Jordan saw sense in the end and signed a peace deal , there is as much chance of Hamas signing one as a one legged man winning an arse kicking contest

I have always said and will continue to say that the sticking point to any peace deal is NOT Fattah on the West Bank or Israel, but Hamas, there silk suited Millionaire leaders living in exile do not want it ,thats why the idea of another General election has been shelved indefinitely , this is only a short video and fully explains Hamas's intention's

Originally Posted by sabang

So what? Nations and armies have been at war forever and a day. As you constantly point out to us, there are major conflicts happening right now, between Shia and Sunni. Of course, harking back a while, there was a major conflict called WW2 that started in Europe, but enveloped most of the world.

Does that mean a German no longer has a right to live in Germany, call himself German, and be a German citizen? Or a Jap?

You are coming out with total non-sequiturs, ultimately in support of an Evil and totally unachievable, unrealistic agenda. So wake up, and deal with the situation as it is. Palestinians are Palestinian, and the Palestinians we are referring to live in the West Bank and Gaza- currently illegally occupied (or blockaded) by Israel. Is Israel going to combine/annex, thus granting them citizenship, or withdraw and maintain it's "Jewish state' illusion about Israel- because actually, Israel is only 80% Jewish anyway. One state, or Two?

So what? The combined army's of 3 Arab Countries wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the planet ,and thats the only answer you can give , So what !!!! .is that not evil wanting to annihilate a whole race of people simply because they are Jews .

Originally Posted by sabang

And some zionist nutcase says "death to all Arabs" (and sprays it liberally on Palestinian places of worship, homes, and businesses), and that 'we will drive them all into the sea'. So what?

Are the nutters running the asylum now? No, they are not- but they routinely make the most noise.

I suggest you spend 7 minutes of your time and watch the video, Hamas in no way Represents the Palestinian people, even though there is an uneasy peace between them and Fattah they still regard the PA leader Mahmoud Abbas as a traitor .

Originally Posted by sabang

And some zionist nutcase says "death to all Arabs" (and sprays it liberally on Palestinian places of worship, homes, and businesses), and that 'we will drive them all into the sea'. So what?

Are the nutters running the asylum now? No, they are not- but they routinely make the most noise.

I was not aware that there was 3 well equipped army's of Zionist Nutters .whats a bit of Graffiti by a few head bangers ?

The Gulf between Hamas and Fattah will IMHO will never be bridged , this BBC article says it all , although its 3 years old the gulf is just as wide now as what it was then Palestinian split: Views from Hamas and Fatah, six years on - BBC News

Originally Posted by sabang

So what? Nations and armies have been at war forever and a day. As you constantly point out to us, there are major conflicts happening right now, between Shia and Sunni. Of course, harking back a while, there was a major conflict called WW2 that started in Europe, but enveloped most of the world.

Does that mean a German no longer has a right to live in Germany, call himself German, and be a German citizen? Or a Jap?

"Exactamente"

Yes but Israel is a special case, and what may apply in other parts of the world need not apply to Israel.
Therefore the Golan heights will always remain a part of Israel.
No need to debate this, it's not going to change.

A quite enlightening video ,interesting comment's too , as I have said and will continue to say Hamas is the stumbling block to peace and always will be

Originally Posted by sabang

Israel remains the worlds biggest beggar nation, remember

You're a lucky man Sabang

Originally Posted by sabang

So what? Nations and armies have been at war forever and a day.Of course, harking back a while, there was a major conflict called WW2 that started in Europe, but enveloped most of the world.

Does that mean a German no longer has a right to live in Germany, call himself German, and be a German citizen?

Just to show how utterly fantastic this right wing zionist thinking is- what if the "Victorious" Allied powers that overran Germany decided they wanted the place for themself, and all Germans had to get out of Germany and set up camp in surrounding countries...

Hmmm...back to WW2. You got me thinking , sabang.
Many forget as to what exactly happened after the war.

Alsace & Lorraine is over 13,000 km2 in size. Germanic in language and identity.
After WW2 this region became part of France and many German citizens were expelled out of the region and into German territory. Others left on their own accord...still remains a part of France after 70 years...spoils of war, sad isn't it.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Alsace & Lorraine is over 13,000 km2 in size. Germanic in language and identity.

French citizens now, Good wine. Yeh, spoils of war if you like. Palestine?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by sabang

So what? Nations and armies have been at war forever and a day.Of course, harking back a while, there was a major conflict called WW2 that started in Europe, but enveloped most of the world.

Does that mean a German no longer has a right to live in Germany, call himself German, and be a German citizen?

Just to show how utterly fantastic this right wing zionist thinking is- what if the "Victorious" Allied powers that overran Germany decided they wanted the place for themself, and all Germans had to get out of Germany and set up camp in surrounding countries...

Hmmm...back to WW2. You got me thinking , sabang.
Many forget as to what exactly happened after the war.

Alsace & Lorraine is over 13,000 km2 in size. Germanic in language and identity.
After WW2 this region became part of France and many German citizens were expelled out of the region and into German territory. Others left on their own accord...still remains a part of France after 70 years...spoils of war, sad isn't it.

Yeah but that's OK cos Jews did not take over the territory and Arabs were not involved

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Arabs were not involved

Really? I'll leave you to google the population of Palestine, ignoramus.