Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Not posted on this thread, as I don't live or vote in the UK anymore, so the outcome has little effect on me.

This is just my point of view, I am pro European union and for the federalization of Europe, but not in this undemocratic form, thought the idea was for the betterment of the citizens, not the institutions, banks, power brokers, ultra rich etc.

After 2009 GFC, it was the people that got screwed over, lead by those same institutions, they are the ones that are pro stay in, meaning it is best for them, not the UK or any other EU country.

Far as I'm concerned out, not only the UK, start again re negotiate the whole union from ground up.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

start again re negotiate the whole union from ground up.

To do that effectively we will have to leave and let the house of cards collapse first.

They'll be begging for our £50 million a day donation.

Before we entered the EU common market in the early 70's we had the swinging 60's.
The most prosperous historically nationwide fun time of the 20th century, after joing the EU it gradually went down hill to the point that people who can remember the good times before want out.

On a crap note the bookies latest odds are stay in at 1-8, must be all those postal votes. Everyone i know is voting out.

interesting that the polls may have it even the bookies don't

stay 1/6 on
leave 4/1

Brexit Referendum Betting Odds | Oddschecker

Originally Posted by Troy

Poor, old and UKIP supporters are abundant on TD it would seem

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Everyone i know is voting out.

No surprise at all

^ if we leave have nothing to lose but their sneering superior attitudes. And of course we will incur the wrath of God who will destroy the world in retaliation

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Everyone i know is voting out.

Back in early 70's when we first got a referendum on joining I never heard anyone who was in favour of a yes vote. But somehow it was accepted. I have a gut feeling the same will happen again next month.

I heard if we vote leave they will stop making chocolate digestive biscuits.

Originally Posted by longway

I heard if we vote leave they will stop making chocolate digestive biscuits.

Apparently there are contingency plans. More info available once the full result is known.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The very model of a modern Major General Who the fuck is he and how dare he ignore the situation of our great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Toowit toowit toowee, will you listen to me? Who stole the eggs I laid from the nice nest I made?

Knob.

Big biz is gonna win this one.

UK will stay.

Poll Card, I received it today. Now they know I live overseas and on the 'Poll Card' they tell me I must apply for an application form, fill it out, and return it by 5pm 8th June. Why the fcuking hell didn't they send me one with the card? I don't stand a hell of a chance of doing a postal vote due to the time constraint.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Toowit toowit toowee, will you listen to me? Who stole the eggs I laid from the nice nest I made?

Knob.

It's toowit toowoo, Colonel Blimp. Needs to rhyme with moo, not oui.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Not posted on this thread, as I don't live or vote in the UK anymore, so the outcome has little effect on me.

Of course it affects you, regardless of whether you exercise your right to vote. The UK is a major global country, what happens there has an effect everywhere. Whilst the Euro goes into free-fall, the pound can reassert itself as in international currency, more reliable than the likes of the RMB.

I remember at uni years ago, some Thai student talking to me telling me how the UK had no culture, everywhere else did, but not the UK; then I pointed out to them that the language they are speaking to me in, the institution they are attending, in fact the whole modern world across the planet is British culture... it is so big, that you can't see it, everywhere in the world is touched by it, and affected by what the UK does and says. Since WW2 there's been this trope by lefties and jealous foreign nations to dimininsh Britain and its importance in the world, but there is an awakening now, to that idea of standards, rules, consistency, quality, openness, creativity, that is what Britain still provides leadership to the world in.

When you talk about how corrupt and incompetent things are in parts of SEAsia, what's your reference point? Britain.
When the Aussies and Americans go on about how great they are, who they trying to one up? Britain.
When the French and the continentals trying to constrain and control culture and economics, who is it they are really trying to constrain and control? Britain.

We are it, and everything we do affects everything everywhere else.
When Britain votes to leave the EU, other nations in Europe will follow.
Britain will re-engage with Asia - renew old relationships with the subcontinent, ASEAN, and China, and thrive on it, the Germans won't, nor with the French, and they know it, and Britain reasserting it's globalness will change the balance of power in the continent of Europe and shift the pole of power back to London - the greatest city on the planet.

Originally Posted by taxexile

^

spot on and very well put.

but i think remain will win, and rightly so.

better inside pissing out, than outside pissing in.

the eu will have to change, and slowly the demands made forcefully by the uk, (and meekly by others) will be met, as others affected by the undemocratic systems will tire of being lectured to and losing control of their identities and powers. they have unofficially said as much already.

A vote to stay is a vote for a federal Europe, the UK government will not have a mandate to force change, the people will have spoken.

It is not a referendum on re negotiating the the UK place in the EU, it's all in or all out, if in, the EU has the mandate to dictate the rules, that's democracy.

Nemo, the passed is the passed, no way to regain world standing when most of the industry is foreign owned, new world, patriotism for the masses consumption, doesn't wholes water when you turn at the German,Japanese, Chinese owned factory.

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Troy

Poor, old and UKIP supporters are abundant on TD it would seem

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Everyone i know is voting out.

No surprise at all

My 3 grown up kids back there say just the same as you , but like Pragmatic says it was the same for him years ago but they still voted to stay in , rather odd don't ya think?

Originally Posted by StevenR

Choose A or B

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A The UK's economy has grown strongly since joining the EU and to leave would cause great uncertainty and instability

B The main reason the UK's economy was weak before joining the EU because its German friends bombed the shit out of it, killed many of its population, and forced its industry into wasteful production for many years. To stay in the EU now is to tie itself to the fate of 27 others countries, many of which are struggling financially and could pull it down
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A The UK needs lots of immigrants because its pensioners didn't produce enough kids to support them and the best way is to allow market forces to attract Europeans

B The UK should be able to choose who it lets in, and an Australian English native speaking nurse with British parents should get priority over a Bulgarian nurse with no ties to the UK, more limited English skills, and a strong difficult to understand accent, not the other way round as it is now
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A The UK will be in stronger better world trade deals within the EU, the largest economic union on the planet

B The UK would already have strong world trade deals with the likes of the US, China, and India if it were an independent country, and being tied into highly complex EU trade deals which need to keep 28 countries happy and therefore take decades to negotiate is damaging the UK right now
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A The UK has benefited from the strong influence of EU laws

B The UK could have made better, more targeted versions of those generalist laws itself
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A The UK will face costly EU tariffs if it leaves

B The EU exports more to the UK than it imports from the UK hence tariffs would be of no benefit to either side
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A UKers should listen to the wise premier of Japan urging them to remain

B The premier of Japan would never form a political and economic union with Korea and China and let in millions of low paid Chinese to take Japanese jobs and homes, so he is a hypocrite only concerned with self-interest
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Yeah listen to the wise premier of Japan Just done a Google search "Japans economic meltdown " this is just one, all saying the same thing Forget Greece, Japan is the world's real economic time bomb - Fortune

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Troy

Poor, old and UKIP supporters are abundant on TD it would seem

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Everyone i know is voting out.

No surprise at all

My 3 grown up kids back there say just the same as you , but like Pragmatic says it was the same for him years ago but they still voted to stay in , rather odd don't ya think?

Maybe the OUT's are louder than the IN'S as was the case in The Scottish Independence vote.

The bookies tend to know the score.



Why doesn't Corbyn who hates the EU get behind the OUT campaign?

I spoke with a friend on Skype last night who has always claimed to be an OUT supporter. Last night he says he's going to vote IN now. I asked why? "Cuz too many lies are being claimed by both sides'. The conversation died there.

^^ Corbyn has done well, keeping a low profile, while the Tories are stabbing at eachother.

A great pity the leave campaign did not produce a planned way forward with all the questions answered so that an informed decision can be made. So far it has been nothing but myths and feelings with nothing concrete to grasp.

....and may I suggest Generals stay out of politics...no need for that hint of Thainess to reach our shores.

Britain will find its way after Brexit admits Cameron after weeks of warnings.


Leave campaigners will look to seize on the Prime Minister's latest comments despite him repeatedly warning against a Brexit. Credit: Reuters
So do the leaders of the world's biggest western economies care about Brexit?

And has David Cameron just admitted that Britain would actually be fine outside the EU?

In a 32-page-long communique at the end of the G7 summit in Japan there is just one line on the potential impact of the UK referendum.
Chris Ship on PM's migration argument after delayed response
A few words on Brexit which express the collective view of America's Barack Obama, Germany's Angela Merkel, Canada's Justin Trudeau and others.

They warn of a "potential shock" if there were a result to leave the EU and that it would be a "further serious risk to growth".

So it begs the question: has David Cameron exaggerated the impact on the world economy - and Britain's - if leave campaigners win on June 23?


The EU referendum earned a brief mention at the table of G7 leaders as they collectively warned against a Brexit. Credit: Reuters
So we asked it, at his press conference.

The Prime Minister told us only "one or two people" raised the matter with him at the G7.

That suggests either they are not overly concerned by the prospect of Brexit or they simply don't want to get involved in the sovereign decision of the British people.
PM denies being 'closet Brexiteer' as he greets G7 support
He then appeared to say that Britain could after all survive outside the EU.

He has said something similar before the referendum was announced but after weeks of warnings of economic armageddon from David Cameron and George Osborne if we left, it came as a surprise to those of us in the room.

"Britain is an amazing country," he said, and then added, "We can find our way whatever the British people chose."
PM urges public to 'listen to our friends' after G7 backing
Mr Cameron did repeat that there is a "real economic risk" if the UK decides to leave the EU and that was a "view shared by other countries" at the G7 summit.

And at a time like this he said we should "listen to friends".

But Leave campaigners will seize on his comments and argue that Mr Cameron has admitted that Britain will survive outside the EU.

In exactly four weeks' time we will be waking up to the result and we will know which vision of the future the British people believed.

Britain will find its way after Brexit admits Cameron after weeks of warnings - ITV News

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Who the fuck is he

He was commander 3 Commando Brigade during the Falklands War. He led the UK land forces to retake the islands from Argentinian occupation.

The main issue with staying in is that union the relies heavily on consensus of member states. This not only takes too long, but always ends up with diluted compromise, and is a deeply flawed decision making process.

As much as I hate to admit it I don't think 'out' has a chance of success due to the constant never ending scare stories being propagated 24 hours a day on all media sources to the point where the average Brit is now convinced it will be the end of the world if we leave.

The whole EU project will still eventually collapse though will just take a bit longer, 1/3 of the EU parliament is currently made up of anti EU members and that number will only grow with every passing election. Anti EU parties in just about every country are gaining a bigger share of the vote in every national election and the EU only have themselves to blame due to setting a course that the people of Europe don't want.