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Excellent ! I knew you would see things my way and I am delighted to have you on my side.
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Originally Posted by cyrille
Excellent ! I knew you would see things my way and I am delighted to have you on my side.
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Which reminds me, did you see Lord Ashcroft's survey results today showing that the majority of leave voters are unemployed, poorly educated, and unskilled?Quote:
Originally Posted by can123
How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday... and why - Lord Ashcroft Polls
17 million+ people voted leave, how many unemployed people in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Seems quite a lot of people don't like democracy when they don't get the result they want.
And does this personality trait show itself in forum discussionsQuote:
Originally Posted by buriramboy17 million+ people voted leave, how many unemployed people in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Seems quite a lot of people don't like democracy when they don't get the result they want.
Not a majority of 17 million+ people, but of the 12,369 people surveyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by buriramboy17 million+ people voted leave, how many unemployed people in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday... and why - Lord Ashcroft Polls
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Originally Posted by can123
Did you think they would be anything else? The problem is the government has made the lives of ordinary people a misery. No surprise they vented their frustrations the way they did. Many may not agree but one that was noticeable, at least to a friend of mine, was that many who would not normally vote voted at the last minute. Cameron has brought about his own demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
I think Bob means the majority were from 'working class' families if there is such a thing. When you look at the political maps it is quite clear that most of the remain camp were in the affluent areas (e.g. City of Bath, Tunbridge Wells and a few others).Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaNot a majority of 17 million+ people, but of the 12,369 people surveyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by buriramboy17 million+ people voted leave, how many unemployed people in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday... and why - Lord Ashcroft Polls
So the people who brought Britain out of the EU and who may yet break up the UK did so to get at Cameron? And by doing have paved the way for unrestricted and uncontrolled austerity. Isn't that kind of dumb? Would they also cut their legs off to deal with squeaky shoes?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoninDid you think they would be anything else? The problem is the government has made the lives of ordinary people a misery. No surprise they vented their frustrations the way they did. Many may not agree but one that was noticeable, at least to a friend of mine, was that many who would not normally vote voted at the last minute. Cameron has brought about his own demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
How many retired? Do you think unemployed just means people on the dole:rolleyes:?Quote:
Originally Posted by buriramboy
You really are a very, very silly person. Of course I am a graduate but that is irrelevant. I voted to "REMAIN" in the UK for purely selfish reasons all related to currency exchange rates. I need as many baht as I can get. I'll bugger off to Thailand and you can make broth out of the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Quite possibly. :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
But still see things clearer than you, B0bQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
We shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by helgeBut still see things clearer than you, B0bQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
...Said the blind man..
^to the deaf lady as he picked up his hammer and saw.............
Looks like the eyes have it.
The Daily Mail finally admits the truth
How Brexit will affect your holiday money, mortgages, passports and health cover | Daily Mail Online
Have a read of the comments, disturbing stuff as the morons who voted for exit start to realise just what they've done.
Interesting words by George Soros , all the doom and gloom merchant's should read it :)Soros warns of EU disintegration - BBC News
I didn't vote leave for any other reason other than the EU is completely unelected. Imagine you lived in a street with 28 houses. And at the top of the road was 1 big house. And before asked to do anything in your house (like paint the walls) - you had to ask the big house at the top of the road and have it approved by all the other houses in the street. And quite often the big house at the top of the road made laws and told you what to do - and you had no right of appeal. You also had to share all your money too - with 10 of the other houses being nearly bankrupt, and another 14 houses being in debt. Yet you had to keep bailing them out. HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIVE THERE??????????????????????????? BECAUSE THAT IS THE EU.
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Which, of course, it's not. 40 years and you have never once in that time understood what those European Elections signs that pop up all over the place every few years are for? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
What do you think he's saying, Piwi? It looks like once again you didn't read past the headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
Brussels' faceless bureaucrats REVEALED... and here are their endless perks YOU pay for
THERE'S Donald “Five limos” Tusk, foie gras-loving Martin Schulz and Monsieur Convivialité himself, Jean-Claude Juncker.
These are just three of the five presidents employed at vast expense by the European Union; officials very few people could name let alone pick out in a police line-up. Then there are the 28 EU Commissioners, all of them on salaries that would make David Cameron think he’s in the wrong job. And many of them must dream of being Federica Mogherini.
What? You’ve no idea who she is? Only the even-better remunerated High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, or – more informally – EU foreign minister. The truth is that being a member of the European Commission is a dream job.
And you don’t have to take our word for it. Here’s how Der Spiegel magazine – compulsory reading for Berlin’s fanatically pro-European political elite – once put it: “You have a luxury life with your own driver, personal advisers, spokespeople and many additional workers – not to mention a fat salary.
"But the best actually comes when your time in Brussels comes to an end. You get paid transitional money for three years or until you get a better job and a pension that is straight out of paradise.” So just who are these characters in the first-class compartment of the EU gravy train? Let’s find out…
Unelected EU presidents' pay and perks revealed | Politics | News | Daily Express
^lot of ignorant waffle. How much does Daily Express owner and pornographer Richard Desmond earn?
BTW, have you ever voted in a European election?
It appear's that Korbynchov is prepared to sack any one who dares to appose him:)Jeremy Corbyn SACKS Hilary Benn ?over leadership coup? | UK | News | Daily Express
This is worth watching :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys_EyMCYbHo
So you don't think that the Brexit vote is, to a significant extent, the fault of Brussels etc and it's wasteful excesses, unaccountability, lack of transparency, and general insensitivity to issues and concerns that are very real to not just the People of the UK, but the EU in general? I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Had the Eureaucracy been more flexible, and sensitive to the very real concerns of the People who collectively pay them, this outcome could have been avoided. I speak as one who disagrees with the vote, but respects it.
Absolutely, it is to a significant extent the fault of the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Nonetheless, you must be a moron to accept, to choose for, a life outside the EU.
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Nobody has chosen a life outside of the EU, and why do the likes of you and DrB feel the need to call everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint a 'moron'? That's expected from folks like TheSausageman who enjoys aimless rants and cliches, but becomes rather boring when many posters drop down to that level.
It's not binary, Britain is still in Europe geographically, politically and economically, but we voted not to continue with the ever closer ties and new political framework that some bureaucrats in Europe envisage. It is clear from listening to some of these Euro commissioners and other high titled folk that they see Europe as a single governance area with them making decisions - Britain doesn't want that; we want to work with Europe, partner Europe, not be controlled by European commissioners and presidents with agendas that do not parallel our own and whom we did not elect.
Britain still has the problems of our own useless politicians, corrupt banks and their money politics, terrible foreign policies and decades of internal mismanagement. But, now, moving forward, we will not have another layer on top of that with the same problems that is further detached and opaque to the nth degree.
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Just been looking at some currency charts because the BBC and others have been quoting chaos and disaster...
The pound v dollar is at the same rate it was at in 2008 - doesn't sound like a 50 year low to me as per the BBC quoted on one program I watched.
The pound v euro is higher now than the average level during the last 7 or 8 years.
XE.com - GBP/EUR Chart
The extent of your stupidity would appear to be only exceeded by your inability to comprehend it.
You make a very good point , and I presume by lack of accountability and transparency and by that could we assume you mean some thing like this? :)http://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
And yet again piwi doesn't read the article he refers to.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoiYou make a very good point , and I presume by lack of accountability and transparency and by that could we assume you mean some thing like this? :)http://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
"Moron" is indeed too strong a word - however, it aint smart either to vote for something that most likely will make more jobs disappear, and inflation rise.
Geographically, yes. As for the rest, what are the options? You've obviously put some thought into it so you'll know that there are 7 available options for continued business with the single market, every one of those options requires payment, conformity to freedom of movement, and acceptance of EU law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
So way do you think are the future options? How, once Britain has left the EU how will it still be in Europe economically and politically?
And what do you mean when you say nobody has chosen a life outside the EU? That's exactly what the British electorate have chosen.
We have not. We have voted to leave the EU in its entirety. This is not like a vote on Maastricht or the SEA, this vote is for a complete severance with the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
Does it not strike that you that cutting yourself off entirely from the European Union is not the most sensible way to go about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
What do you think is going to happen now in the UK? The country is in the grip of a full-on constitutional crisis and it seems inevitable that the United Kingdom will cease to exist over the next few years.
Perhaps, but it's difficult to know what else to call people who would cause so much destruction based on believing two obvious lies, that money paid to to the EU would now be available for services in the UK and that there would be a stop to inward EU migration. The two central planks of the exit campaign, both of which were abandoned the day after exit won. It's also quite clear that few of the people who voted out have any idea of what the EU is or what it does. Even looking at the threads on here I see an appalling ignorance of what the EU actually is. That ignorance is nothng to do with a lack of transparency or accountability (another myth) it is ecause people are too bloody lazy to find out for themselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
Too many *Auslaender and Dictators like Seekingasylum is what drove british voters for a Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
But you must have also noticed that the candiates up for vote made their way to Brussels......by a lottery ticket or being a far distant cousin from Angela ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RrEQ8Ovw-Q
Günther H. Oettinger
Digital Economy & Society
The asshole doesn't even know how use a I-Phone.
Rubbish Herman, it was the stupidity of an ignorant and thick-headed, gullible majority who have actually believed the bilge spouted by mendacious politicians who, it transpires, haven't got a fucking clue as to what to do next.
The country has fucked itself and the fallout engulfing the EU and other western democracies will be felt for years.
Batten down those hatches.
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I repeat, it is not binary.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
For example, it is very likely that Britain will continue on good trading terms with Germany, Germany being the heart of Federal Europe. Merkel is already softening her tone, no doubt under pressure from German businesses; we know that German wants to keep exporting to Britain. On that interesting video on the Brexit thread, we saw that Britain does not have a trade deal with India or Australia, for example, because these deals have been blocked by other European states - we will now be able to make these trade deals. We will also make trade deals with other international partners aswellas our existing European partners (I envisage these as being quite similar to existing EU treaties, but nobody really knows). Within five years, I expect Britain to be in a better economic situation as our global partnerships increase - actually, Britain is in a perfect position due to our relationships with North America, our longstanding relationships throughout Asia and yes, our existing (and I suspect continuing) relationships in Europe.
I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Actually, if the next two years becomes a good opportunity for a united Ireland then I'd see that as a positive; I hope the majority of Irish people, both sides of the border, would too.
Wales won't change.
I doubt Gibraltar will change, but I'm not against some movement there.
Scotland, they need to shut the fuk up and accept the will of Britain, just like the twats in London need to. They will not be given another vote.
Your point of detailing the entity of the EU is plain wrong to my mind, but I think there is a basic misunderstanding between two groups of people; one believe in federalization and one do not - there is a similar argument in the US. The EU experiment has morphed into something very different from the one British people joined, so within that context the EU experiment is a failure; if other EU members think the same and whether or not the EU in its current format will collapse is up for debate. Many, many EU 'leaders' have acknowledged that the EU has lost its way and needs fixing - if it gets fixed then they should thank Britain for waking them up to their failing system. I believe the EU will just collapse, and Britain will be far better off a few years from now than most European countries.
There is no doubt though that we have many problems in Britain and useless management from our mostly useless politicians; our entire political system seems to have become crony capitalism of the nth degree, and that needs changing.
I see it positive! And I want to Thank the Brits for their vote. The EU can not continue the way it did. All politicians are saying it. So lets hope the EU shapes up in a way that our "Insel Germanen" come back and suck on Euro breastsQuote:
Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2016/06/1556.jpg
After all, not all Brits are gay :rolleyes:
Angelas or Francois?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
They are allowed to call you a moron and stupid simply because although its against TD forum rules the Mods let them get away with it .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo