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You judge everything through a very narrow prism, the catalyst for the migration was opening up the eu to include countries in eastern europe, thats why bliar had an easy opportunity and ability to allow unchecked migration, and that migration we can no longer control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
And now, once we realise it was a mistake, nothing can be done about it. We end up up with the worst case scensrio.
Leaving the eu makes it more difficult for cheap labour to br imported into the uk, and more compromise to the uk public is required.
You see everything in black and white.
Send the invaders back to muslim countries where they belong. Sadly too many weak spineless muppets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
One bright spot.
"The International Student Survey, conducted and released by Hobsons Solutions, said that the result of the EU referendum in Britain could have a significant impact on universities in Britain across a wide range of areas from international research collaboration to grant funding, as well as the number of international students coming to study in this country.
Hobsons Solutions said they sent a survey to 10,384 international students to gauge their attitudes towards the referendum this June.
Of the 1,763 respondents, who had contacted or applied to study at British universities, over 47 percent of international students said they would find Britain less attractive if it were to leave the EU, while over 17 percent thought it would make Britain more attractive if it were to leave the EU."
Brexit to lead British universities less attractive: survey - Global Times
More places for UK citizens will be available. Possible tuition fee reduction.
The "In" campaign must have some cash behind them!
I've had four separate leaflets posted to us now, no one knocking on doors or campaigning properly.
Check out this couple posted today..
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Originally Posted by blue
Good point.
Heartily disagree. As soon as you put profit, which is where the nearly half of the 300 million a day budget now disappear to since most of it is privatized now already, into the equation, then services worsen, and prices increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Anyone who is still buying the thatcher argument of privatization being good is living in a dream world. Every industry that has been privatized is vastly over priced now, failing to deliver, and in some cases falling apart as well.
Aren't they being printed in Germany though? Seem to recall that. They are capped at 10 million apparently so no wonder 14 conservative MPs are being investigated now for election fraud. They can't help themselves. :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
No toffies box!
Latest Brexit Poll Tracker - Breitbart
Brexit poll tracker.
Latest shows remain 18% ahead!
However there is some glimmer of hope, some polls show a massive lead for the remain group, others show it much much closer and even have the leave group leading.
Obviously 2 very different methodologies; which one will prove more accurate?
The one on 24 June.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2016/05/1220.jpg
The look of a Tory Brexit campaigner.....bugger off and join UKIP
Also, he's naked from the waist down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
No theres one little sniffling [at][at][at][at] I wouldn`t tire of hitting.
It seems to me the over 50's want out and it's them that make the small effort to vote.
Not just the over 50's, plenty in their 40's also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bower
Got our voting card through the post today, role on British Independence day:UK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8
Looks like the big leads in polls for the Remain crowd are as phony as their arguments.
REVEALED: How Bad Polling Is Used To Convince People Brexit Support Is Tanking
I hope this manipulation will backfire as people who want out will be determined to vote and the ones who dont want to leave, will think its in the bag and not bother.
^How The British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EUQuote:
It was the British press which helped lying, cheating, conniving politicians trick the electorate into accepting membership of the EEC.
Try this interactive poll on the Economist website...
Britain?s EU referendum: The Economist?s ?Brexit? poll-tracker | The Economist
Poor, old and UKIP supporters are abundant on TD it would seem...
Not posted on this thread, as I don't live or vote in the UK anymore, so the outcome has little effect on me.
This is just my point of view, I am pro European union and for the federalization of Europe, but not in this undemocratic form, thought the idea was for the betterment of the citizens, not the institutions, banks, power brokers, ultra rich etc.
After 2009 GFC, it was the people that got screwed over, lead by those same institutions, they are the ones that are pro stay in, meaning it is best for them, not the UK or any other EU country.
Far as I'm concerned out, not only the UK, start again re negotiate the whole union from ground up.
To do that effectively we will have to leave and let the house of cards collapse first.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
They'll be begging for our £50 million a day donation.
Before we entered the EU common market in the early 70's we had the swinging 60's.
The most prosperous historically nationwide fun time of the 20th century, after joing the EU it gradually went down hill to the point that people who can remember the good times before want out.
On a crap note the bookies latest odds are stay in at 1-8, must be all those postal votes. Everyone i know is voting out.
interesting that the polls may have it even the bookies don't
stay 1/6 on
leave 4/1
Brexit Referendum Betting Odds | Oddschecker
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Originally Posted by Troy
No surprise at all :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
^ if we leave have nothing to lose but their sneering superior attitudes. And of course we will incur the wrath of God who will destroy the world in retaliation
Back in early 70's when we first got a referendum on joining I never heard anyone who was in favour of a yes vote. But somehow it was accepted. I have a gut feeling the same will happen again next month. :nervous:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
I heard if we vote leave they will stop making chocolate digestive biscuits. :(
Apparently there are contingency plans. More info available once the full result is known.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
The very model of a modern Major General :rolleyes: Who the fuck is he and how dare he ignore the situation of our great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
Knob.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Big biz is gonna win this one.
UK will stay.
Poll Card, I received it today. Now they know I live overseas and on the 'Poll Card' they tell me I must apply for an application form, fill it out, and return it by 5pm 8th June. Why the fcuking hell didn't they send me one with the card? I don't stand a hell of a chance of doing a postal vote due to the time constraint.
It's toowit toowoo, Colonel Blimp. Needs to rhyme with moo, not oui.Quote:
Originally Posted by longwayKnob.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Of course it affects you, regardless of whether you exercise your right to vote. The UK is a major global country, what happens there has an effect everywhere. Whilst the Euro goes into free-fall, the pound can reassert itself as in international currency, more reliable than the likes of the RMB.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
I remember at uni years ago, some Thai student talking to me telling me how the UK had no culture, everywhere else did, but not the UK; then I pointed out to them that the language they are speaking to me in, the institution they are attending, in fact the whole modern world across the planet is British culture... it is so big, that you can't see it, everywhere in the world is touched by it, and affected by what the UK does and says. Since WW2 there's been this trope by lefties and jealous foreign nations to dimininsh Britain and its importance in the world, but there is an awakening now, to that idea of standards, rules, consistency, quality, openness, creativity, that is what Britain still provides leadership to the world in.
When you talk about how corrupt and incompetent things are in parts of SEAsia, what's your reference point? Britain.
When the Aussies and Americans go on about how great they are, who they trying to one up? Britain.
When the French and the continentals trying to constrain and control culture and economics, who is it they are really trying to constrain and control? Britain.
We are it, and everything we do affects everything everywhere else.
When Britain votes to leave the EU, other nations in Europe will follow.
Britain will re-engage with Asia - renew old relationships with the subcontinent, ASEAN, and China, and thrive on it, the Germans won't, nor with the French, and they know it, and Britain reasserting it's globalness will change the balance of power in the continent of Europe and shift the pole of power back to London - the greatest city on the planet.
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spot on and very well put.
but i think remain will win, and rightly so.
better inside pissing out, than outside pissing in.
the eu will have to change, and slowly the demands made forcefully by the uk, (and meekly by others) will be met, as others affected by the undemocratic systems will tire of being lectured to and losing control of their identities and powers. they have unofficially said as much already.
A vote to stay is a vote for a federal Europe, the UK government will not have a mandate to force change, the people will have spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
It is not a referendum on re negotiating the the UK place in the EU, it's all in or all out, if in, the EU has the mandate to dictate the rules, that's democracy.
Nemo, the passed is the passed, no way to regain world standing when most of the industry is foreign owned, new world, patriotism for the masses consumption, doesn't wholes water when you turn at the German,Japanese, Chinese owned factory.
My 3 grown up kids back there say just the same as you , but like Pragmatic says it was the same for him years ago but they still voted to stay in , rather odd don't ya think? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Yeah listen to the wise premier of Japan :smileylaughing: Just done a Google search "Japans economic meltdown " this is just one, all saying the same thing Forget Greece, Japan is the world's real economic time bomb - FortuneQuote:
Originally Posted by StevenR
Maybe the OUT's are louder than the IN'S as was the case in The Scottish Independence vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoiMy 3 grown up kids back there say just the same as you , but like Pragmatic says it was the same for him years ago but they still voted to stay in , rather odd don't ya think? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
The bookies tend to know the score.
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Why doesn't Corbyn who hates the EU get behind the OUT campaign?