The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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Originally Posted by longway

we can be far more flexible within our negotiations and looks for deals of our own, nor do many countries do that badly negotiating on their own. Nor does it mean we will be excluded entirely from the EU.

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The UK maybe could be "flexible", unfortunately the countries or blocs the UK will need to strike a deal with may not be.

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Originally Posted by buriramboy

Britain is the 6th largest economy in the world and no one is going to want to trade with us if we leave the EU.

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https://www.rt.com/uk/340755-brexit-obama-trade-deal/


Sundays statement:

"A US trade deal with Britain could take up to 10 years if it were to leave the European Union, President Barack Obama has warned in an interview with the BBC. In the event of a Brexit, the UK would lose much of the influence it has as America’s closest EU ally, he said.


"It could be five years from now, 10 years from now before we were able to actually get something done,” Obama told the BBC on Sunday, at the end of a three-day visit to the UK, likely to be his last as US president."


Friday's statement:

"The UK referendum on whether the country should stay or go will take place on June 23. The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal it threatens remains on the president’s agenda before his term runs out. Obama wants to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers between the EU and the US.Britain would move “to the back of the queue” on deals if it left, Obama said on Friday"

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

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Trade deals!Boots on the ground! Trade deals!Boots on the ground!

What a load of scaremongering from someone who has probably never even closed a deal or door.

If a tiny populus country like Australia can organise a "Trade Deal" in 10 months then a powerhouse such as the U.K can do it in much less time.

The left are very silent on Obamas lies considering they are usually first to try and rip him a new hole.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

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It's no big deal. If the US want to charge tariffs on our goods and services, we'll simply apply the same to theirs.

At the moment we are a net importer in trade with the seppos.

The whole trade thing is a red herring. No-one is going to accept losing business and money because of petty politics. Americans and Germans want to sell their goods in the UK, we are, after all, Germany's largest export market in Europe. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by putting obstacles in the way of ongoing trade - they can't afford to for a start. It's ridiculous to think that the UK will suddenly be left isolated as Johnny no-friends based on Brexit. Still, Obamas intervention has reinforced the view that the US only cares about the US and all this tosh about the special relationship is just that.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

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It's no big deal. If the US want to charge tariffs on our goods and services, we'll simply apply the same to theirs.

At the moment we are a net importer in trade with the seppos.

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You really think they'll notice? It woul be the equivalent of losing a fiver on the way back from the pub. Many British people seem to be suffering from the political equivalent of body dysmorphia syndrome.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Confirmation of the threat from the UK's "special relationship" partner.

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How is it a threat? It's been pointed out all along that it takes years to arrange new trade treaties. It really does seem that those in favour of Brexit, or as I like to think of them "witless dupes of billionaires who want their own personal fiefdom" have absolutely no clue what what will happen. It's hard to feel anything but contempt for their stupidity.

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It's no big deal. If the US want to charge tariffs on our goods and services, we'll simply apply the same to theirs.

At the moment we are a net importer in trade with the seppos.

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You really think they'll notice? It woul be the equivalent of losing a fiver on the way back from the pub. Many British people seem to be suffering from the political equivalent of body dysmorphia syndrome.

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No, I don't think they'll notice.

Nor do I think it will be a big issue, which is how the IN crowd are trying to define it.

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Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The left are very silent on Obamas lies considering they are usually first to try and rip him a new hole.
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I don't think it's anything to do with Obama, I think they're thoroughly confused about where they stand. The left in Britain were always against the EEC/EU, that seems to have changed in the last 10 years or so but I imagine that, certainly among the Labour Party, a lot of normally left-wing types genuinely don't know where they stand yet. Their instincts are anti-EU but they can see that a great deal would be lost if Britain left now.

Still, from what I've seen they're genuinely trying to work out the best option, unlike most right-wingers who have absolutely no idea at all about what will happen if Britain exits the EU and who are not able to offer a single coherent fact about the future.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

Ah, I am the problem here. Forgive me I am a clueless numpty.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by longway

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

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Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

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Have you registered to vote in this referendum?

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I am filling out the form right now.

TTIP is the stumbling block for many,myself included at times.
The ability for US exporters to sue governments for restrictive trade is extremely worrying.
Demonstrations in Germany about it yesterday, hardly a whisper about it in the UK until today on BBC2.

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It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

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Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

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Have you registered to vote in this referendum?

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I am filling out the form right now.

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Sneaky fucker Cameron making it a separate registration eh?

Also two trips to the voting stations, which might work in Brexits favour?

May 5th for the local and PCC elections and the euro vote in June..

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It's a moot point anyway, the remain vote will win because the government are telling the great unwashed that they won't be able to buy cheap fags and booze from eurotrash supermarkets any more.

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Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

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Have you registered to vote in this referendum?

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I am filling out the form right now.

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Sneaky fucker Cameron making it a separate registration eh?

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I don't think so, I have to register as an expat voter to get myself on the electoral roll, otherwise I would have to turn up in person at the last place I was registered to vote.

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Originally Posted by longway

Luckily most these folk cant be relied on to vote; its probably rigged, but the one advantage the brexit supporters have is that they are more motivated.

Its the 2nd time in my life I will vote, and its the 1st time I think there is something worth voting for.

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Have you registered to vote in this referendum?

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I am filling out the form right now.

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Sneaky fucker Cameron making it a separate registration eh?

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I don't think so, I have to register as an expat voter to get myself on the electoral roll, otherwise I would have to turn up in person at the last place I was registered to vote.

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That's you fucked then is it?

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You can vote in this referendum if you are registered to vote in the UK, are 18 or over on 23 June 2016 and are:

• A British or Irish citizen living in the UK, or
• A Commonwealth citizen living in the UK who has leave to remain in the UK or who does not require leave to remain in the UK
• A British citizen living overseas who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years
• An Irish citizen living overseas who was born in Northern Ireland and who has been registered to vote in Northern Ireland in the last 15 years

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^ i left the uk 10 years ago and became an expat only 4 years ago. Anyway i am registered as an expat voter now and can get my ballot by post.

It takes less time than making a cuppa to register online. You need your NI number and passport as well as postcode of last address where you were on the electoral roll.

I just make the 15 year rule...didn't realise I'd been away so long.

One item not mentioned so far, I believe, is the ongoing accumulation of debt by the European central Bank. Originally only a limited type of debt was allowed to be purchased. Recently a new "directive" has been authorised by ????. This new directive allows for the purchase of any bond , sovereign or commercial.

There are stipulations that they should only be "European" company bonds, but that is nullified by a second "directive", that allows any global company to set up an office in the Euro Zone and thus all of the global companies bonds are eligible to be purchased.

I am aware that the UK is not in the EZ but, if the bonds become worthless, will the EU members assets become open for confiscation. What liabilities are their for non EZ taxpayers if the EZ/ECB goes bust? I suspect many "UK" banks have branches and maybe head offices in an EZ country which makes their assets ripe for plunder if required.

One possible remedy would be for the UK to exit the EU and sever ties between EZ banks and UK banks completely.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

One possible remedy would be for the UK to exit the EU and sever ties between EZ banks and UK banks completely.

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A good idea.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring
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EU banks pull out of London and no one knows what will happen ....

Those that say trade doesn't matter need to look into what made London what it is today...why the UK had to join the EU in the first place.

The nobody knows answers I got from my questions are incredible...everyone knows the answers but they don't want to tell you because the unpalatable truth is that staying in the EU, like it or not, is the best alternative.

No-one has provided a better solution. They have made it an emotional conflict , blaming the EU for UK government errors. (IMO, The most blatant of these errors came from the Blair Labour government with the eu migration of Polish ahead of EU directives)

Talking of silly applications of eu directives, I can still ask for a pound of spuds in Germany and their bikes have 26 & 28 inch wheels...

The most controversial thing that needs to be changed in the UK is not leaving the EU but to change the NHS. Have a scheme where everyone pays into the NHS through contributions like the NIS and force EU migrants to pay into it the same way but higher...because it is based on a percentage of lifetime contributions. Itis possible to do this through current EU laws and would save the NHS and help with migration issues.

Last but not least, I speak English in Europe because English is a mix of German and French. English is the business language nowadays and leaving the EU will ruin that major influence amongst the peasants....

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Stop trying to justify your own fear with far fetched scenarios, Swiss banks seem to do ok ..
just admit you have had the adventure and balls totally beaten out of you by the EU/PC grinder..


like a slave afraid to leave the plantation: oooooow the master won't provide me with a proper road map of whats around all those scary corners ... so I'm staying put and gonna pick cotton for another 40 years.

Vote leave !!
probably wont make a difference as we will probably lose,
but when shit hits the fan in a few years , and Britains borders are taken down etc, at least you can hold your head up and say
''well I tried to free us from the EU monster in 2016....''

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Originally Posted by blue

''well I tried to free us from the EU monster in 2016....''

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It's all the fault of those cnuts who voted to stay in in 1975, let's burn the baby-boomer bastards out!!!:rolleyes:

Now you're talking !
Far too cold tonight.... but when it warms up we can form a mob with blazing torches etc

I haven't forgotten nor forgiven those bastards that voted Blair in multiple times either, once was forgivable but 3 times ..
that should have been a salutary lesson for stopping thickos from having the vote ,but alas ...

They keep changing the definition dates of those baby boomers - it will be 1900 to 2000 soon ..

Why don't all the supporters of project fear tell us what the clusterfuk that is the EU is going to be like in 5 or 10 years? Oh that's right they can't as all predictions from the past about this oh so wonderful institution have all been wrong.

The EU just like surprises - like in the last year -
importing a million mostly young uneducated muslim men and
giving Turkey and Ukraine visa free travel....


Project fear?
it's like when they wanted us to join the euro currency - they warned if we didn't then no fucker would want to do business with us or invest in UK due to the difficulties of us having a different currency....

After the POTUSE made a apocalyptic prediction, of a 5 to 10 year wait before any UK partnership would be granted by the generous Ameristani governmentTTP participants, their may be hope.

The Eurasian Economic Union, the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation and the applicable Euro/Asian trade organisation, financial institutions and defence organisation may consider an application, from a respectful UK, more quickly. The UK are already in the AIB which is the most difficult, the other two, a piece of grovelling is all that's called for.

Would it be Cameroon's farewell present to the locals.:rofl:

Would that any far sighted British civil servant be that adventurous to pick up the phone?

'Economists for Brexit' back campaign to leave EU
2 hours ago

'Economists for Brexit' says exports to the EU could come under WTO rules
A group of eight influential economists have thrown their support behind the Leave campaign in the UK's referendum on EU membership.

The group, Economists for Brexit, argue that leaving the EU would boost the UK economy by 4% in 10 years.
Brexit would put the UK outside the EU's customs union, which puts tariffs on imported goods.

The report claims that by being free of those constraints, prices in the UK would fall by 8%.
The group proposes a World Trade Organization (WTO) agreement with the EU, similar to that enjoyed by the US and China.

The report's authors include Professor Patrick Minford, a former adviser to Baroness Margaret Thatcher, and Gerard Lyons, a former chief economist at Standard Chartered Bank and now an adviser to the London Mayor, Boris Johnson, who is campaigning for Britain to leave the EU.

The economic arguments have so far been tilted towards the Remain camp with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) warning against leaving.
The OECD said leaving the EU would be the equivalent of imposing an additional "tax" of one month's income on UK workers.

A spokesperson for Britain Stronger In Europe said: "[UK] Treasury analysis shows that trading under WTO rules would be the worst possible alternative to EU membership, seeing households £5,200 worse off and a public spending black hole of £45bn."
'Economists for Brexit' back campaign to leave EU - BBC News

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^ Good one :)

Cameron is campaigning to stay in the EU but has threatened to take the UK out of the EU.

He is criticising the Leave campaign because, he says, they have no idea what the UK's trading position would be if the UK leaves the EU. It would appear he doesn't know either but he would still take the UK out if he doesn't get the reforms he wants.

Hypocritical? Confused?

British expats living outside of UK for more than 15 years will not be able to vote in EU referendum, high court rules

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The high court did not accept a challenge brought against the '15-year rule' that prevents British citizens who have lived abroad for more than 15 years from voting in the referendum on 23 June

British expats living outside of UK for more than 15 years will not be able to vote in EU referendum, high court rules | Home News | News | The Independent

A legal challenge was brought by 94-year-old Second World War veteran Harry Shindler, who lives in Italy, and Belgian resident Jacquelyn MacLennan

Mr Shindler and Ms MacLennan's lawyers confirmed they will now appeal directly to the UK's Supreme Court.

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great news that those old farts cannot votehttps://teakdoor.com/images/editor/smilie.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTA-qH62KAA

Did Boris manage to explain?

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At a glance | Who can vote in the EU referendum?


Anyone who would be entitled to vote in a parliamentary election in the UK has the right to participate in the in/out vote on the EU. This includes:

British citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK

Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)

Maltese and Cypriots over 18 who are resident in the UK (other EU citizens will not)

Commonwealth-born citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK

British expats who have lived overseas for less than 15 years

Irish citizens who were born in Northern Ireland and have registered to vote in Northern Ireland in the last 15 years

Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar over 18

Members of the House of Lords in Gibraltar will also be entitled to vote

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''Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)''
Amazing
What has it got to do with them ? they have been independent for almost a 100 years and yet still treated like they are a home nation people...I wonder how many there are, though ones too many.

700,000 British expats will not be able to vote in EU referendum, court rules

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''Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)''
Amazing
What has it got to do with them ? they have been independent for almost a 100 years and yet still treated like they are a home nation people...I wonder how many there are, though ones too many.

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Goes both ways. Ireland is full of freeloading soap dodgers who are entitled to vote there. Weirdly, the paddies actually voted to allow that while the brits had us foisted on them. Som nam naa.

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Originally Posted by Troy

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring
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EU banks pull out of London and no one knows what will happen ....

Those that say trade doesn't matter need to look into what made London what it is today...why the UK had to join the EU in the first place.

The nobody knows answers I got from my questions are incredible...everyone knows the answers but they don't want to tell you because the unpalatable truth is that staying in the EU, like it or not, is the best alternative.

No-one has provided a better solution. They have made it an emotional conflict , blaming the EU for UK government errors. (IMO, The most blatant of these errors came from the Blair Labour government with the eu migration of Polish ahead of EU directives)

Talking of silly applications of eu directives, I can still ask for a pound of spuds in Germany and their bikes have 26 & 28 inch wheels...

The most controversial thing that needs to be changed in the UK is not leaving the EU but to change the NHS. Have a scheme where everyone pays into the NHS through contributions like the NIS and force EU migrants to pay into it the same way but higher...because it is based on a percentage of lifetime contributions. Itis possible to do this through current EU laws and would save the NHS and help with migration issues.

Last but not least, I speak English in Europe because English is a mix of German and French. English is the business language nowadays and leaving the EU will ruin that major influence amongst the peasants....

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From an economic viewpoint the consequences are debatable. However from a national security point of view it would be folly to remain in the EU with Turkey about to get visa free access into the EU and a fast track to membership.

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Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

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Ameristan will suck you dry even quicker.
Eastwards you stupid country! Start kowtowing now. Cameroon is a master at offering a ring or two.

Do the sheep shearers on the Falklands get to vote?

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Do the sheep shearers on the Falklands get to vote?

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Can you read?

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Can you read?

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Yes, Can123 can read. When are you going to learn to write ? :)

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Originally Posted by longway

From an economic viewpoint the consequences are debatable. However from a national security point of view it would be folly to remain in the EU with Turkey about to get visa free access into the EU and a fast track to membership.

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Turkey visa access to Schengen Countries, of which the UK opted out. Fast track membership of the EU? They have been an associate member for 50 years and applied 30 years ago. .... and their major supporter has been.........Yep! You guessed it....the UK.

Nationalism was on its deathbed after WWII, finally died in 1975 and does not need resurrection.