Thread: Influx into the US

Originally Posted by Black Heart

It's not about the 2 groups you mention.

You have not been researching the lawsuits that began about 33 years ago, the propositions, the homeowners paying the 30% to 70% school ratio, nor the race card played by La Raza.

We know what "La Raza" means.

You're right, I haven't.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by JPPR2

There are many fields of "Engineering". Development, Mechanical, Design, Software, Programming. NPI, Transfer. etc

the fields of engineering I am aware of are basically civil , mech , elec with sub genres of these though I would also add process as one of the top tier in this day and age.

many of the other fields to me are not really engineers in the traditional sense

Couple more to throw in are nuclear and chemical engineers.

^ That one should be an easy Google. My guess is nuclear tops the list.

Edit ... If you mean Petroleum then you're right.

https://news.vice.com/article/unauth...er-last-decade

"Unauthorized workers are paying an estimated $13 billion a year in social security taxes and only getting around $1 billion back, according to a senior government statistician.

Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund.

The SSA estimates that unauthorized workers have paid a whopping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. Yet as these people are in the US illegally, it is unlikely that they will be able to benefit from their contributions later in life".

Rest of article in the link.

5 immigration myths debunked - Nov. 20, 2014

Myth # 1: They don't pay taxes

Myth # 2: They don't pay into Social Security

Myth #3: They drain the system

Myth # 4: They take American jobs

Myth # 5: It's just a matter of following the law

Article is in the link.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

https://news.vice.com/article/unauth...er-last-decade

"Unauthorized workers are paying an estimated $13 billion a year in social security taxes and only getting around $1 billion back, according to a senior government statistician.

Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund.

The SSA estimates that unauthorized workers have paid a whopping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. Yet as these people are in the US illegally, it is unlikely that they will be able to benefit from their contributions later in life".

Rest of article in the link.

Well, at least they can do is pay in.

They should not be in the workforce to begin with - they're ILLegal.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ That one should be an easy Google. My guess is nuclear tops the list.

Edit ... If you mean Petroleum then you're right.

That's whom I'm talking about.

Good testimony on what ILLegals are doing to the black community.

Leftist Outfits Confirm: Majority of Illegal Immigrants Are Felons

"Pro-amnesty progressives like Bleb Bush accuse Donald Trump of being “divisive” for associating illegal immigration with crime."

Just what we've said all along...

"Did Donald Trump overstate the level of crime committed by illegal immigrants? Not according to the ACLU, the National Council of La Raza, the New York Times, and the Social Security Administration (SSA).

According to these organizations, as many as 75 percent of illegal immigrants use unlawfully obtained Social Security numbers to pay payroll (Social Security) taxes. That, in turn, means that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are committing multiple federal and state felonies including forgery, Social Security fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and identity theft.

It also means that potentially millions of Americans, including an untold number of innocent children, are victims of identity theft when their Social Security numbers are used by illegal immigrants. Of course, the ACLU, La Raza, the New York Times, and the SSA conveniently overlook that connection and they are never challenged by the media or politicians."

Trumping Trump | Center for Immigration Studies

Throw the bums out! Zuck You!

I still see a deep amount of irony in people whose ancestors immigrated to the U.S., committed genocide against the native peoples, broke the laws of their neighbors and took their land, and forcibly transported others to work for them complaining about immigration.

It's one of those things that might be funny if it weren't true.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

According to these organizations, as many as 75 percent of illegal immigrants use unlawfully obtained Social Security numbers to pay payroll (Social Security) taxes. That, in turn, means that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are committing multiple federal and state felonies including forgery, Social Security fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and identity theft.

That percentage wouldn't surprise me at all if they found them to be true. I know that people buy them illegally to come work. My wife's friend that owns a restaurant knows that 2 of her mexican workers have fake IDs and SS cards but she is not in a position to question it.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Good testimony on what ILLegals are doing to the black community.

It's true that illegal immigrants do jobs that US citizens won't do because...

It pays more to sit on your ass. You can fake it and get SSI and if not (or also) get food stamps, Medicaid, housing assistance... Why would anyone work really hard anyway?

Ever hear of "Octomom" who had eight kids and every one added to her "benefits"? She got caught also receiving other income but if she hadn't gotten famous I wonder if they would have bothered? She did embarrass the welfare system. There are a lot of people who legally game the system, too. Being a welfare family is a career for many.

People used to go hungry if they wouldn't work. A man named Jesus who is thought by many to be compassionate taught that "Let him who will not work not eat". (2 Thessalonians 3:10) It's hardly a new concept.

Originally Posted by JBaker

A man named Jesus who is thought by many to be compassionate taught that "Let him who will not work not eat". (2 Thessalonians 3:10) It's hardly a new concept.

He also provided free healthcare and food and that the accumulation of material wealth was against his teachings.

No doubt he'd be labelled a Muslim/Terrorist/Socialist these days.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

There was a hospital which was caring for smallpox victims. It turned out that two blankets and one handkerchief were given to a Native American to take back to his tribe. Within a short time some Native Americans; in that tribe, contracted smallpox and died.

Might have been the first use of a biological weapon.

Jaysus.

I've actually heard variations on that story before but always just kinda figured (hoped) it was apocryphal.

More opposition to illegals from the black community. There has been tension for a long time. The video is at the link

MUST-SEE: BLACK WOMAN RIPS COUNCIL OVER ILLEGAL ALIENS

by MICHELLE MOONS18 Aug 2015

LOS ANGELES — Chanell Temple, a black woman originally from Huntington Park, delivered a strident, politically incorrect speech against illegal immigration on Monday evening at the local city council meeting.

Temple, who now lives in the Hawthorne area of Los Angeles, was protesting the council’s recent decision to appoint two illegal aliens to city commissions. She told Breitbart News she had not intended to speak at the meeting, but was offended when someone compared illegal aliens to slaves. She added that she supports Donald Trump “a hundred percent.”

Here are her full remarks (in video and transcript below):

Chanell Temple at Huntington Park City Council Meeting 8.17.15
Breitbart


…undocumented illegal immigrants who have been assigned to the position of commissioner.

The Huntington Park City Council is being paid with taxpayers’ money to do a job within rules and regulations. According to your board behind you, it says, “Where there is no vision, the people perish.” I want to paraphrase that and say: Where there is no law, the people perish.

In the U.S. we have one rule of law. I also want to talk about the Fourteenth Amendment, which was added to the Constitution in regards to blacks being given birthright citizenship because blacks helped build this country, including the White House—twice.

(Interjection: Right on!)

Please do not tarnish the name of black slaves by comparing them to your plight. There’s no comparison. None.

Black slaves did not break into this country, okay. They were brought here against their will. Also, black slaves are not immigrants. Immigrants are people with a choice, they come here by choice. Black slaves didn’t have choice.

That’s offensive to me because I’m a descendant of a black slave. And trust me, Ancestry.com works and I can trace my people back from when they landed here on the boat. I know the village where my people came from in Africa, OK? So please, do not try to get away with using that. That’s very offensive.

This country has been good to illegal immigrants. You have been given jobs, houses, tax money, free tax money, welfare, Social Security, they open up business for you guys, et cetera.

None—I don’t know of any illegal aliens who have been hung from a tree. I don’t know of any of them illegal aliens who have dogs been sicced on. So that’s very offensive for you to sit up here and allow these people to say that and get away with it. Things that people are going to feel sorry for. That’s very offensive, OK? Do the right thing.

My people get three strikes. I have a nephew in jail now–22 years!–for something he didn’t do.

My people commit a crime, they go to jail. You people commit a crime, they get amnesty. It is wrong…

(Cheers, applause)

And we’re not going to have it. We’re not going to have a set of laws for you people and a set of laws for us.

And if you can’t follow the law, talking about “perish,” your job needs to perish.

You get paid with taxpayers’ money and you are misappropriating taxpayers’ money when you pick up your check.

(Cheers, applause)

In an interview Tuesday morning, Temple explained further:

I grew up in the Huntington Park area. I was raised in that area. I live in Hawthorne now. That area over there has been a Latino area for decades, for a long time. They witnessed racial tension in that area. My mother was a property owner over in that area.

What I said last night was not my intention. What kind of disturbed me is when someone got up and talked about slavery. There is no comparison. They need to stop pretending like they are being mistreated. They have pushed and disturbed the community. They have 95% of the jobs and they still act like they are mistreated.

Yes I am black, but I’m an American. They are getting away with murder. I was in Sacramento recently, and I protested about Kate Steinle. Then they get a get-out-of-jail-free card, and my nephew is in jail. They release them–30,000, if not more–every year. They put them right back on the street and it’s not right.

The black community–we’re tired of them citing civil rights because of people like Al Sharpton. They are being treated better than American citizens with our tax money.

I’m just tired. I lost my job. I was told I did not speak Spanish and I was terminated from my job. Even now it’s difficult to get a job. They told me I was fired for not being able to speak Spanish. I applied to McDonald’s and they told me that they don’t hire blacks–and it was a black owner. I filed with EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission). I have my documentation. I was denied a job….But they didn’t do anything. They are putting illegal immigrants before blacks. I applied for three jobs with the County of L.A. and they didn’t give me a job, and when I filed a complaint they called me a racist. I ended up homeless.

We have a rule of law. Why can’t they obey the law? Little do they know they are making us [Americans] closer. We are standing as Americans, as all races and colors. They want to throw out the race card. We are tired of being abused, and it’s got to stop.

Our politicians are giving them the power in the fight against us–the people using our tax money, writing these laws and using them against us….

Yes, black lives matter, but if we had jobs we wouldn’t be put in these situations to be attacked. A lot of parental rights have been restricted and are being taken away. There’s a lot in the black neighborhood that needs to be worked on. We need to get our house in order first and we need to get jobs back to get back on track.

We have no recourse. We are not being represented. Now we’re in the shadows, we are being buried in the shadows.

MUST-SEE: Black Woman Rips Council over Illegal Aliens

Donald Trump is the only individual in the national spotlight right now with a plan to deal with these hordes of illegal aliens.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Donald Trump is the only individual in the national spotlight right now with a plan to deal with these hordes of illegal aliens.

Building a wall and making Mexico pay for it?

That counts as a "plan"? How do you suppose he's actually going to compel Mexico.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Donald Trump is the only individual in the national spotlight right now with a plan to deal with these hordes of illegal aliens.

Build a 20 ft wall across the entire border and make Mexico pay for it by imposing tariffs on Mexican goods entering the US. Brilliant.

Should work, aside from the fact someone will cleverly use a 21ft ladder to breach the wall, and imposing tariffs on Mexico would be illegal in accordance with WTO and NAFTA agreements.

Donald wants to stop or slow down the influx, he should start as Prez by heavily fining or jailing folks who hire illegals, Bet doing so would cut into the Trump empire profits. so not on his things to do list.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

According to these organizations, as many as 75 percent of illegal immigrants use unlawfully obtained Social Security numbers to pay payroll (Social Security) taxes.

So they can work for a "legal" American who btw is breaking the law hiring them.

Originally Posted by Norton

Donald wants to stop or slow down the influx, he should start as Prez by heavily fining or jailing folks who hire illegals

Exactly. It's all those upstanding, flag waving small business owners who hire them and in the next breath bitch about all the crime committed by them. Hypocrites.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Donald Trump is the only individual in the national spotlight right now with a plan to deal with these hordes of illegal aliens.

Building a wall and making Mexico pay for it?

That counts as a "plan"? How do you suppose he's actually going to compel Mexico.

And he wants to deport all children from the US if their parents were illegals, regardless of their constitutional rights.

Because apparently he has found lawyers who told him he can do that.






*pause*

The Donald has the right idea. People born to illegal alien narco-gangbangers are not citizens. Make is easier for Legal Immigrants who want to work in the US.



A wall works for Israel to keep out the undesireables, do the same for the United States of America.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

People born to illegal alien narco-gangbangers are not citizens

Yes they are.

It appears that Trump's not the only one who doesn't know the Constitution.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

A wall works for Israel to keep out the undesireables

You really haven't thought this one through have you.

Much like Trump actually.