Thread: Influx into the US

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Increasing social security free for all will lead US to European way of life and that will be the end of America

The US needs an influx or other rapid growth of workers to fund the ever-expanding pool of coffin dodgers they'll have to feed - 23% by 2080.

Or you could go to a Logan's Run or Soylent Green solution of course.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Increasing social security free for all will lead US to European way of life and that will be the end of America

The US needs an influx or other rapid growth of workers to fund the ever-expanding pool of coffin dodgers they'll have to feed - 23% by 2080.

Or you could go to a Logan's Run or Soylent Green solution of course.

I have read Logan's Run and Soylent Green Also have Logan's Run DVD

Any country needs more productive workers, who in turn pay taxes, and their work generates business activity that pays taxes.

Those productive workers are welcome anywhere. And US is getting productive workers who adapt to US lifestyle and most will become Americans and believe in American Dream. Europe is a different story.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Increasing social security free for all will lead US to European way of life and that will be the end of America

The US needs an influx or other rapid growth of workers to fund the ever-expanding pool of coffin dodgers they'll have to feed - 23% by 2080.

Or you could go to a Logan's Run or Soylent Green solution of course.

I have read Logan's Run and Soylent Green Also have Logan's Run DVD

Any country needs more productive workers, who in turn pay taxes, and their work generates business activity that pays taxes.

Those productive workers are welcome anywhere. And US is getting productive workers who adapt to US lifestyle and most will become Americans and believe in American Dream. Europe is a different story.

Well then:

https://kat.cr/soylent-green-1973-10...-t6535344.html

Thanks but I have it already.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Increasing social security free for all will lead US to European way of life and that will be the end of America

The US needs an influx or other rapid growth of workers to fund the ever-expanding pool of coffin dodgers they'll have to feed - 23% by 2080.

Or you could go to a Logan's Run or Soylent Green solution of course.

I have read Logan's Run and Soylent Green Also have Logan's Run DVD

Any country needs more productive workers, who in turn pay taxes, and their work generates business activity that pays taxes.

Those productive workers are welcome anywhere. And US is getting productive workers who adapt to US lifestyle and most will become Americans and believe in American Dream. Europe is a different story.

Well then:

https://kat.cr/soylent-green-1973-10...-t6535344.html

The U.S. needs to keep its eyes on Japan over the next decade or so to see what happens to an aging country that hasn't modernized its immigration policy.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The U.S. needs to keep its eyes on Japan over the next decade or so to see what happens to an aging country that hasn't modernized its immigration policy.

They'll all do the decent thing and commit hara kiri I would think.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

They do but it doesn't fit with their ideological agenda which is utterly devoid of objectivity...

Oh dear . . .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Increasing social security free for all will lead US to European way of life and that will be the end of America

The US needs an influx or other rapid growth of workers to fund the ever-expanding pool of coffin dodgers they'll have to feed - 23% by 2080.

Or you could go to a Logan's Run or Soylent Green solution of course.

The U.S. Needs to repay the money they have stolen from social security

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

an aging country that hasn't modernized its immigration policy.

You would know as you reside there. My understanding is Japan has a very restrictive near xenophobic policy. True?

Originally Posted by Black Heart

In the current economy in the US, this is NOT going to happen. Make sure wages are sufficient? Not going to happen.

So blame immigrants for stealing jobs is the answer then? A recurring theme used since the first waves of European immigrants hit the US back in the 1800s. Then it was those damn unskilled Irish Catholics and the Chinks taking our jobs. Never mind they took jobs few native born folks would take building the canals and railroads still in use today. Blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs is a convenient route for policians and industry to avoid doing the things needed to create more jobs. A long list of things that, in general, they and their campaign funders will not tolerate.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I assume you are middle-aged or retired (if you don't mind me asking).

You grew up in a different time.

Older than dirt. Yes was a different time but have 2 native born sons in late forties with exactly the same academic credentials I had and surprise, surprise, they too have the same record as I.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Never unemployed, paid taxes and never a penny received in any sort of public assistance

Bottom line is more jobs need to be created but there are jobs to be had if one is willing to do what is needed to get the job.

Blaming immigrants is not the answer.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

an aging country that hasn't modernized its immigration policy.

You would know as you reside there. My understanding is Japan has a very restrictive near xenophobic policy. True?

Based on what I've read and the opinion of many who have lived here a long time I'd say that's true. Many Japanese had a shit fit when the half black/half Japanese girl won Miss Japan this year. IMHO it's more of a covert than an overt thing though.

Lots of Koreans who have lived here for decades or even been born here who can speak best to the xenophobic nature of the Japanese.

The other part of the problem and its aging population is more and more women are choosing to work and stay independent than get married.

Originally Posted by Norton

Blaming immigrants is not the answer.

I really don't think so either. The jobs they want or are taking are mostly labor intensive or minimum wage jobs most Americans don't really want anyway. And most of the immigrants are probably willing to do these jobs because while they may have a low level of education they're also willing to live with extended family and/or a lot more people under one roof than most Americans are.

IMHO too many Americans are too happy to sit on the sofa and bitch about all the factory jobs being sent overseas instead of adapting to the new environment that's now a couple decades old. Our school curriculum needs to be more trade related for those so inclined and there needs to be more emphasis on community college education that focuses on the skilled trades.

Originally Posted by Norton

Blaming immigrants is not the answer.

I'm not blaming immigrants.

There is no "blame."

And, we are mostly talking about ILLegals (and yes, legal immigrants in the recent pages of this thread).

IMO,

This is about 2 main points:

1. labor market economic conditions and,

2. numbers - meaning the number have been too high and are too high.

I'll add,

3. A third point: I think the US is overpopulated in a moral sense. Many will disagree with me, but people need places to live (housing) food, produce garbage, and in the US drive cars every single day.

320 million is enough.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Black Heart

In the current economy in the US, this is NOT going to happen. Make sure wages are sufficient? Not going to happen.

So blame immigrants for stealing jobs is the answer then?

I never "blamed" immigrants for stealing jobs.

I state above that they are competing for jobs that do not exist OR have too many applicants.

I do no understand what this "blame" is about. Not true. Never said.

"Stealing jobs." Not true for legal immigrants, however ILLegals start contracting business and undercut.

^ Are the illegals driving cars everyday? My experience and what I've read is many of them live out in the middle of nowhere in shacks provided by the owners of the fields and orchards they work.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

IMHO too many Americans are too happy to sit on the sofa and bitch about all the factory jobs being sent overseas instead of adapting to the new environment that's now a couple decades old. Our school curriculum needs to be more trade related for those so inclined and there needs to be more emphasis on community college education that focuses on the skilled trades.

I agree.

Those lamenting manufacturing going overseas are likely near the end of their working lives or retired. Those jobs left quite a while ago.

And yes, the school curriculum needs a big change, IMO.

A Uni degree is only beneficial in some areas. I'm not in EFL anymore, but when I was I met a LOT of Uni grads from the USA with degrees in "Health" and all kinds of subjects, and these grads were literally mopping floors.

Some of the grads were smart. They were knowledgeable and attentive and did well in teaching. But there were part of the MASSIVE waves of Gen Y and Millienials that "went to college."

"Go to college" if you want to have a future.

Those days are long gone.

I remember not long ago when a Uni grad - who was a lazy student would go and work for say, an insurance company, a big ABC company, and learn from On the Job Experience (OJT) and have a stable career of gainful employment. One friend of mine got a degree in Poli-Sci and went into insurance at Starbucks and now is an upper manager.

Today, these jobs do not exist for Uni grads. They are filled.


And seriously, Artificial Intelligence - yes, robots will cause millions of people to lose their jobs in the not so distant future. These people will lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

Trades, STEM, and what have you.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ Are the illegals driving cars everyday? My experience and what I've read is many of them live out in the middle of nowhere in shacks provided by the owners of the fields and orchards they work.

You're talking about agricultural workers.

Apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ Are the illegals driving cars everyday? My experience and what I've read is many of them live out in the middle of nowhere in shacks provided by the owners of the fields and orchards they work.

You're talking about agricultural workers.

Apples and oranges.

I don't think so. In regards to construction workers ... I would guess a bigger problem than illegals starting companies is legitimate US citizens with contruction companies employing those illegals.

Maybe we should address the real problem instead of the symptoms. If you want to stop the illegal immigrant problem bring the hammer down on the U.S. Citizens who employ them.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ Are the illegals driving cars everyday? My experience and what I've read is many of them live out in the middle of nowhere in shacks provided by the owners of the fields and orchards they work.

You're talking about agricultural workers.

Apples and oranges.

I don't think so.

In the US people need cars. Yes, some people take the bus, but cars are used by the vast majority. in WA ILLegals can get a driver's license.

In regards to construction workers ... I would guess a bigger problem than illegals starting companies is legitimate US citizens with contruction companies employing those illegals.

Landscaping, Framing, carpentry, wood working, painting, etc.

In Kitsap they undercut citizens by $7 per hour. They will do this for a long time. When citizens are driven out they gradually raise their prices. Happens in Kitsap.

Maybe we should address the real problem instead of the symptoms. If you want to stop the illegal immigrant problem bring the hammer down on the U.S. Citizens who employ them.

Some companies have been caught and fined. A printing company was hiring illegals in North Carolina and could see cheaper products than its competitors.

But all in all, in US history, it always has been about getting the cheapest labor - the US govt and business support this.

Seriously, slavery and indentured servitude were the earliest examples.

^ Before I moved back to Bremerton in 2012 I hired a person to remodel my condo and I suspect that one of the people the company used was an illegal.

I'd have to ask my son more questions but he has a lot of experience working with 'immigrants' as he is one who is competing with them for the low paying hourly labor jobs.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I never "blamed" immigrants for stealing jobs.

Ok, fair nuff. Given the title of the thread and many of your posts hard not to percieve legal and illegal immigrants are to be blamed.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ Before I moved back to Bremerton in 2012 I hired a person to remodel my condo and I suspect that one of the people the company used was an illegal.

I'd have to ask my son more questions but he has a lot of experience working with 'immigrants' as he is one who is competing with them for the low paying hourly labor jobs.

SK,

Not to be pendantic, but your mixing ILLegals with "Immigrants."

The media has done this - I think intentionally.

There is a BIG difference IMO, between ILLegals and legal immigrants.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

If you want to stop the illegal immigrant problem bring the hammer down on the U.S. Citizens who employ them.

Like Donald Trump?

Originally Posted by Black Heart

320 million is enough.

Why? By what measure?