Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Is No8 a invite for the west to come back.

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The fact is Allied forces have started worldwide terrorist Jungle warfare, which should of been thought of before they provided support to some nations and destroyed others.
These ill thought out operations have provided a breeding ground for Terrorism.

You are, of course, thinking of the Bush/Cheney invasion of Iraq.
Thank you for making my point.

If America wants to mend fences with people in the Middle East, putting Bush and Cheney on trial for war crimes and executing them would be a great start along with an apology for their actions. Sadly that's less likely than a snow storm in Bangkok.

You are a little delusional if you think executing Bush and Cheney would have anything to do with a start to the extreme Muslims restableshing peacefully connections to the west. The extremist have been waiting for centuries to take over the entire world, if anything they would see Bush and Cheney as heroes for giving them an opening to move in. The only people who would get excited are you and a few over the top people as your self.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Again, if you think the US was the only nation responsible for destabilizing the gulf region, you are dillusional.

Don't know what that has to do with Bush / Cheney's actions. We should add treason too.
We can add Blair to the gang, but that's for the Brits to sort out.

ISIS has already stated your hero Obama is on the list.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

How could frying Bush/Chaney alone bring the ME to embrace America again? The dèep seeded hatred by extremist muslims stems from wanting all infedels to be wiped off the face of the earth due to their history of inflicting harm. This would include the feeling that all non-muslims wish to do the same to the muslim faith.

All nations who have contributed to the demise of a muslim faction are now targeted. We reap what we sow.

Get a clue, the damage to Middle East countries only opened the door the desire has been there for ages.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would think any country that has taken part in destabilizing the ME is in the crosshairs of the extremist muslim. Just read the news and think back a bit to the bombings in Europe, UK and elsewhere and the case is easy to make. Do the extremists hate the US? Of course they do, but this hate was not the driing force behind all the bombings. It was the fact that the bombed country dare to support action against the ME.

I would think continuing to demonize Bush and Chaney is only a drop in the buckèt. Why pick such a small part and blow it up? Your case is weak since a whole lot occured before either Bush took office to destabilize things.

My personal feeling is to have every country leave the ME alone and have only the muslim factions fight it out amongst themselves. Don't worry about it until an invasion on your own homeland is imminent.

That invasion is already starting. What do you think the bombings in Europe are about?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Ramadi has fallen to ISIS thanks to the chickenshit Iraqi army.

The coalition airforce/boots on the ground had no intelligence of this attack eh. Clear skies but the "cavalry" failed to show or was not ordered to assist, which was it this time. Too much maintenance on the kit, the weekend, religious holiday or orders not recived in time - or maybe by plan?

The financing, training, arming, feeding, mananging, patching up ......... of ISIS had no effect on the "victory" eh.

Originally Posted by MrG

other intelligence seized

All top secret and classified no doubt , or was it all published anywhere accessible?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Just sit back and leave the Sunni and Shi'a to duke it out, no point in getting in the firing line, they're both ungrateful bastards anyway

Unfortunately the crusader coalition's fingerprints are all over this ISIS "threat". If you think Iraq can succeed against them all you are delusional.

Oh I am sure the Iraqi people really appreciate the crusader coalition turning a relatively peaceful and prosperous country into a world shit hole Harry.

I guess if you ignore the the murders of thousands of Saddams own people you could say relatively peaceful, and let's not forget the chemical weapons used on Iran.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

How could frying Bush/Chaney alone bring the ME to embrace America again?

Never said it would bring the ME to embrace America. I just want to see them frog-marched before a court of law and let the lawyers reveal all.

So you admit your desire has nothing to do with stopping the extremist, it is only a personal vendetta against Bush and Cheney, I am sure if the truth were known that would include the entire GOP as it is easy to see from your posts you are a hater.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Get a clue, the damage to Middle East countries only opened the door the desire has been there for ages.

Thank you for making my point.Yes, and marching your army into a keg of dynamite like the ME in 2003--made so largely by the Westen Powers at the end of WWI--without an exit strategy, then releasing all the generals and soldiers with their weapons to form the basis of ISIS, alienating the population you are supposed to be there to help form the "Athens of the Middle East" as Boy George put it, is a policy of disaster. It's like they wanted it to happen. Oh yeah, Cheney was on hiatus from Haliburton at VP. Sure drummed up a lot of business with that decision. .

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would think continuing to demonize Bush and Chaney is only a drop in the buckèt. Why pick such a small part and blow it up? Your case is weak since a whole lot occured before either Bush took office to destabilize things.

I have no idea what your mumbling on about.

Sounds about right just remove yourself from the equation.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So you admit your desire has nothing to do with stopping the extremist, it is only a personal vendetta against Bush and Cheney, I am sure if the truth were known that would include the entire GOP as it is easy to see from your posts you are a hater.

Your drugs are getting the best of you again today.
I want justice, or some semblance of it, and maybe regain a little respect around the world for standing by those principles that make us that "exceptional" country everyone likes to hoot about.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So you admit your desire has nothing to do with stopping the extremist, it is only a personal vendetta against Bush and Cheney, I am sure if the truth were known that would include the entire GOP as it is easy to see from your posts you are a hater.

Your drugs are getting the best of you again today.
I want justice, or some semblance of it, and maybe regain a little respect around the world for standing by those principles that make us that "exceptional" country everyone likes to hoot about.

And you believe executing Bush and Cheney would actually achieve that, not as long as your buddy Obama is at the helm.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So you admit your desire has nothing to do with stopping the extremist, it is only a personal vendetta against Bush and Cheney, I am sure if the truth were known that would include the entire GOP as it is easy to see from your posts you are a hater.

Your drugs are getting the best of you again today.
I want justice, or some semblance of it, and maybe regain a little respect around the world for standing by those principles that make us that "exceptional" country everyone likes to hoot about.

And you believe executing Bush and Cheney would actually achieve that, not as long as your buddy Obama is at the helm.

Obama has nothing to do with the Bush/Cheney decisions. Quit trying to conflate the two.

Here, read something besides Breitbart. Don't worry, it's short.

George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public

On "Hardball," Michael Morell concedes the Bush administration misled the nation into the Iraq War.
For a dozen years, the Bush-Cheney crowd have been trying to escape—or cover up—an essential fact of the W. years: President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants misled the American public about the WMD threat supposedly posed by Saddam Hussein in order to grease the way to the invasion of Iraq. For Bush, Cheney, and the rest, this endeavor is fundamental; it is necessary to protect the legitimacy of the Bush II presidency. Naturally, Karl Rove and other Bushies have quickly tried to douse the Bush-lied-us-into-war fire whenever such flames have appeared. And in recent days, as Jeb Bush bumbled a question about the Iraq War, he and other GOPers have peddled the fictitious tale that his brother launched the invasion because he was presented lousy intelligence. But now there's a new witness who will make the Bush apologists' mission even more impossible: Michael Morell, a longtime CIA official who eventually became the agency's deputy director and acting director.
Appearing on MSNBC's Hardball on Tuesday night, Morell made it clear: The Bush-Cheney administration publicly misrepresented the intelligence related to Iraq's supposed WMD program and Saddam's alleged links to Al Qaeda.

Host Chris Matthews asked Morell about a statement Cheney made in 2003: "We know he [Saddam Hussein] has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Here's the conversation that followed:

MATTHEWS: Was that true?
MORELL: We were saying—
MATTHEWS: Can you answer that question? Was that true?
MORELL: That's not true.
MATTHEWS: Well, why'd you let them get away with it?
MORELL: Look, my job Chris—
MATTHEWS: You're the briefer for the president on intelligence, you're the top person to go in and tell him what's going on. You see Cheney make this charge he's got a nuclear bomb and then they make subsequent charges he knew how to deliver it…and nobody raised their hand and said, "No that's not what we told him."
MORELL: Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—
MATTHEWS: To tell the truth.
MORELL: My job—no, as the briefer? As the briefer?
MATTHEWS: Okay, go ahead.
MORELL: As the briefer, my job is to carry CIA's best information and best analysis to the president of the United States and make sure he understands it. My job is to not watch what they're saying on TV.

The discussion went on:

MATTHEWS: So you're briefing the president on the reasons for war, they're selling the war, using your stuff, saying you made that case when you didn't. So they're using your credibility to make the case for war dishonestly, as you just admitted.
MORELL: Look, I'm just telling you—
MATTHEWS: You just admitted it.
MORELL: I'm just telling you what we said—
MATTHEWS: They gave a false presentation of what you said to them.
MORELL: On some aspects. On some aspects.
There's the indictment, issued by the intelligence officer who briefed Bush and Cheney: The Bush White House made a "false presentation" on "some aspects" of the case for war. "That's a big deal," Matthews exclaimed. Morell replied, "It's a big deal."

And there's more. Referring to the claims made by Bush, Cheney, and other administration officials that Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda, Morell noted, "What they were saying about the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda publicly was not what the intelligence community" had concluded. He added, "I think they were trying to make a stronger case for the war." That is, stronger than the truth would allow.

Morell's remarks support the basic charge: Bush and Cheney were not misled by flawed intelligence; they used the flawed intelligence to mislead.

George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public | Mother Jones

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So you admit your desire has nothing to do with stopping the extremist, it is only a personal vendetta against Bush and Cheney, I am sure if the truth were known that would include the entire GOP as it is easy to see from your posts you e uS hater.

Your drugs are getting the best of you again today.
I want justice, or some semblance of it, and maybe regain a little respect around the world for standing by those principles that make us that "exceptional" country everyone likes to hoot about.

And you believe executing Bush and Cheney would actually achieve that, not as long as your buddy Obama is at the helm.

Obama has nothing to do with the Bush/Cheney decisions. Quit trying to conflate the two.

Never did I say he did, but as long as he and his crew lead the US there will be know respect for America, brainless, gut less, devisive, scum.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

How could frying Bush/Chaney alone bring the ME to embrace America again? The dèep seeded hatred by extremist muslims stems from wanting all infedels to be wiped off the face of the earth due to their history of inflicting harm. This would include the feeling that all non-muslims wish to do the same to the muslim faith.

All nations who have contributed to the demise of a muslim faction are now targeted. We reap what we sow.

Get a clue, the damage to Middle East countries only opened the door the desire has been there for ages.

Funny, it seems we are saying the same thing, but in different ways.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would think any country that has taken part in destabilizing the ME is in the crosshairs of the extremist muslim. Just read the news and think back a bit to the bombings in Europe, UK and elsewhere and the case is easy to make. Do the extremists hate the US? Of course they do, but this hate was not the driing force behind all the bombings. It was the fact that the bombed country dare to support action against the ME.

I would think continuing to demonize Bush and Chaney is only a drop in the buckèt. Why pick such a small part and blow it up? Your case is weak since a whole lot occured before either Bush took office to destabilize things.

My personal feeling is to have every country leave the ME alone and have only the muslim factions fight it out amongst themselves. Don't worry about it until an invasion on your own homeland is imminent.

That invasion is already starting. What do you think the bombings in Europe are about?

Not really an invasion of numbers and it does not really affect daily life as in Iraq. Yes, ISIS is unable to launch a full invasion and would rather have the west come to them to fight.

Actually, the situation in Iraq is more worrying than ISIS.

Originally Posted by spliff

Actually, the situation in Iraq is more worrying than ISIS.

In what way?

Sunnis are becoming increasingly marginalized and the Iran-backed Shiite militias who are helping to fend off ISIL are the foremost threat. When Daesh is finnally defeated the Iranian-backed Shia militia could emerge as the preeminent power in the country.

Originally Posted by OhOh

no sane government officer would willingly put their name to recommending a disastrous policy

Recommend you read March of Folly by Barbara Tuchman.

After read you may wish to rephrase the above.

Right so it was World war 1 now that was to blame.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Get a clue, the damage to Middle East countries only opened the door the desire has been there for ages.

Thank you for making my point.Yes, and marching your army into a keg of dynamite like the ME in 2003--made so largely by the Westen Powers at the end of WWI--without an exit strategy, then releasing all the generals and soldiers with their weapons to form the basis of ISIS, alienating the population you are supposed to be there to help form the "Athens of the Middle East" as Boy George put it, is a policy of disaster. It's like they wanted it to happen. Oh yeah, Cheney was on hiatus from Haliburton at VP. Sure drummed up a lot of business with that decision. .

That flaming queer Lawrence of Arabia has a lot to answer for.

You forgot about Gengkis khan.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Right so it was World war 1 now that was to blame.

You don't think the past affected the present? That's a pretty unique perspective.