The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Cujo]

Oh, that explains everything QC. Do you even know what a red herring is? Is that your defense for claiming I am grasping at straws?

It is pretty much impossible to carry on any real conversation with individuals that are anti-gun and anti-American. I know it becomes a game with many on here and I do enjoy games as much as the next person. My opinion on this matter is supported by many others as is your side of the room. Living with anti-gun sentiment has become a way of life for us and it really does not bother me all that much. What does bother me is the petty comments about ones profession or homeland that are meant to just get a rise out of someone. You boys can continue playing this silly game if you like, but for me it is game over. Not really worth my time or effort.

You're out of your head.
People are expressing anti cold blooded murder sentiment.
They're saying the guy was wrong to calmly reload, return and EXECUTE a guy who was lying unconscious and weaponless on the floor with a bullet in his head.
You've been saying that was justified and he should have walked, which in any light is wrong.
Just admit YOU are wrong and we can move on.
(By the way, saying that there are thousands of other meatheads like you doesn't make it any more right.)

[slackula]

Oh, that explains everything QC. Do you even know what a red herring is?

Yes thank you, I do. A red herring is a rhetorical device employed to distract from the point at hand and is a logical fallacy. See also argumentum ad passiones (or appeal to emotion if you prefer). Something along the lines of, "I wonder how you would react if two low lifes wanted to rob you at your place of work when you were also responsible for other co-workers" fits the bill nicely.

You boys can continue playing this silly game if you like, but for me it is game over. Not really worth my time or effort.

If you want to take your ball home then go ahead. Frankly you aren't doing much to further the case of private gun ownership anyway so it'll probably be for the best.

[rickschoppers]

Look Koojo, I will NOT admit I am wrong any more than Necron or others will admit they are wrong. Or the 10,000 petitioners who felt this person was justified in what he did.

There are two sides to this argument, as I have said before, and only after knowing more details can one decide which side of the fence they are on, except for the few posters who seem to condemn without reading all the facts and then weighing in.

I think I have asked several times for some posters to research this case before passing judgement. I do not think this has been done in most cases.

Fact- Two individuals entered a pharmacy that was owned by the pharmacist behind the counter and one individual pointed a gun at the two female assistants and demanded money and drugs.

Fact- The two females managed to run to the back of the pharmacy when the same individual pointed a gun at the pharmacist.

Fact- The pharmacist pulled out a gun from his pocket and shot one of the individuals in the head.

Fact- The pharmacist had the gun due to the possibility of being robbed. He was ex-military and received training in firearms.

Fact- The pharmacist took out a second gun and shot the wounded indiviual multiple more times.

Fact- The pharmacist told police that both men were carrying guns.

Fact- Many people in the local area felt this store owner was justified in what he did.

These are only a few of the facts and more can be found on numerous websites that state the verdict was incorrect.

Will I change my mind on how I feel about this incident? No.

Do I believe gun safety in an important part of gun ownership? Yes.

Do I believe in the American right to own firearms? Yes

Do I disagree with Necron and others who think this was an execution? Yes.

Read as much as you can about this case and then make up your own mind. It is your right.

[bsnub]

The pharmacist took out a second gun and shot the wounded indiviual multiple more times.

That is murder.

[robuzo]

Rick-
"Fact- The two females managed to run to the back of the pharmacy when the same individual pointed a gun at the pharmacist.

Fact- The pharmacist pulled out a gun from his pocket and shot one of the individuals in the head.

Fact- The pharmacist had the gun due to the possibility of being robbed. He was ex-military and received training in firearms.

Fact- The pharmacist took out a second gun and shot the wounded indiviual multiple more times."

Left something out there, didn't you? He felt the damsels in distress were safe enough in the store with the shot-in-the-head guy to run outside and pop off a few rounds (who knows where they landed?) at the fleeing robber (who was caught and convicted later), but determined later that unconscious, shot-in-the-head guy was enough of a threat that he needed to shoot him five more times. If that makes sense to you, you, too, may be a head case.

[Cujo]

Look Koojo, I will NOT admit I am wrong any more than Necron or others will admit they are wrong. Or the 10,000 petitioners who felt this person was justified in what he did.

How the fuck was he justified in shooting an injured, unconscious, unarmed person.

Do I disagree with Necron and others who think this was an execution? Yes.

There is no 'think' it was an execution you moron. It was an ISIS style execution/murder.
How else do you describe shooting a severely injured, unconscious, unarmed person?

[Davis Knowlton]

Now I can't find the fucking link again, but this morning I saw a news report where a female shopper reached into her shirt to "adjust the weapon in her bra holster" and blew out her tiny brain.

A "bra holster"? WTF?

And, just as an add-on, how does one shoot oneself in the fucking head from a "bra holster"? One would think the barrel would be pointing down, not up - although I have NO idea how a "bra holster" is configured. USA! USA! USA!

[slackula]

Now I can't find the fucking link again,

This one?
Michigan Republican official fatally shoots self in eye while adjusting gun in her bra holster

[bsnub]

Law enforcement officials in Michigan said that they learned this week that an elected Republican official who had recently shot herself to death had been adjusting her bra holster when the accident occurred. Earlier this year, St. Joseph Public Safety officers reported that 55-year-old Christina Bond had died on New Years Day from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her eye.
Although the full autopsy had not been completed, officials released new details on Wednesday.
“She was having trouble adjusting her bra holster, couldn’t get it to fit the way she wanted it to. She was looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon,” St. Joseph Public Safety Director Mark Clapp said.
According to an obituary published by Florin Funeral Service, Bond joined the U.S. Navy out of high school, and served two terms as an active Military Police. She was an administrator for the Road to Life Church, and an “active member of the Christian Motorcycle Association.”
The obituary described Bond as being “on FIRE for the LORD.”
Last summer, she was elected as a Republican Precinct Delegate for Saint Joseph Charter Precinct 1.
Her Facebook page is filled with Bible verses, and information about organizing for the Republican Party. Several recent posts complained about Common Core education standards, and about President Barack Obama. Other posts depicted black protesters in Ferguson as dangerous rioters.
“Here’s the most critical evasive driving tactic to avoid getting swarmed and killed in a riot,” one post was titled.
“This was a great experience!” Bond wrote after being elected precinct delegate last August. “What I learned is that we need more people involved in taking our country back and it starts at home with everyday people who care, and I believe we all care. So let’s do it!!”


Michigan Republican official fatally shoots self in eye while adjusting gun in her bra holster

[slackula]

1 minute Snub!!!

[Davis Knowlton]

^&^^. That's it, folks. Now, to Snub as a gun guy, WTF is a bra holster, why would anyone carry a gun there, and how was the barrel pointing at her eye?

[bsnub]

LOL!

[grasshopper]

I surmise that the Democrats want a law requiring all Republicans to have compulsory bra holsters. Guns carry only, of course. 5555

[bsnub]

to Snub as a gun guy, WTF is a bra holster, why would anyone carry a gun there, and how was the barrel pointing at her eye?

You got me. I have never seen one of those before and to carry a loaded firearm in something that is pointing at you us just asking for the Darwin award.

As to me being a "gun guy" I do not see myself as that. There are a lot of idiots who own guns in America. It really is the perfect storm for these types of accidents.

Earlier in the thread I said that America would definitely be a safer place if it was gun free. Where my opinion differs with most in this thread is that passing more laws will not make any difference as there are to many guns floating around out there already. Confiscation would never work for that same reason. It would start a civil war.

Hell the government trying to seize a tax dodgers ranch (Cliven Bundy) brought out these sovereign citizens and "oathkeepers" out in droves. The fed had to retreat.

How does anyone think they can go door to door in a nation of 320 million people taking guns with loads of people like that? It is impossible.

[Boon Mee]

New Jersey Man Faces Jail Time for Transporting an Antique Pistol



I did break the law — to my shock,” Gordon Van Gilder tells me over the phone. He sighs. “Legally, they’re right.”

The “they” in this equation is the state of New Jersey. The “I” is Van Gilder, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher from the town of Millville. And that “law-breaking”? Well, that could be extremely costly indeed. For transporting a 300-year-old flintlock pistol without a concealed-carry license, Van Gilder has been charged with a second-degree felony — specifically, with “unlawful possession of a handgun” — and he is facing a maximum of ten years in state prison. This, he suggests, is “unbelievable.”

The gun in question, Van Gilder says, “was probably made about 1765 in Belgium — for the British market.” A dealer found it in Pennsylvania, and held it for him. “I paid $800 for it. It’s a boxlock pistol, so there’s no hammer. It’s beautiful.”

Having picked the gun up, Van Gilder and his friend first went to lunch, and then they headed home. “My friend was driving because my arm is shot,” Van Gilder recalls. On the way home, the pair were pulled over by a local sheriff. According to Van Gilder, the detaining officer told him that he wanted to search the car, and threatened him with dogs if he refused. “I didn’t mind,” he tells me, but he wanted to make sure that the officer knew that there was a flintlock pistol in the glove compartment, and that he had just purchased it. “Oh, man,” Gilder says. “Immediately, he wanted to arrest me. But when he called the undersheriff, he was told, ‘No, it’s a 250-year-old pistol; let him go.’”

The officer did as he was told, and gave the pistol back. The next morning, however, he came back — “with three cars and three or four sheriffs.” Van Gilders says, “He told me, ‘I should have arrested you last night.’” So he did. “They led me away in handcuffs” and, at the station, “chained me by my hands and feet to a cold stainless-steel bench.”

New Jersey Man Faces Jail Time for Transporting an Antique Pistol | National Review Online

Nanny State or what?

Led away in chains...

[Davis Knowlton]

As to me being a "gun guy" I do not see myself as that.

Wasn't meant to be insulting. I know you have a lot of guns, spend time at the range, and thought you might have heard of these.

[OhOh]

WTF is a bra holster, why would anyone carry a gun there, and how was the barrel pointing at her eye?

Along with "Why is she worried on New Years Day? Why her Lord and Saviour wasn't watching over her that day?

[Davis Knowlton]

New Jersey Man Faces Jail Time for Transporting an Antique Pistol

Saw that one this AM as well. Simply idiotic. I've got a bunch of old weapons hanging on my office walls...Yemeni flintlocks, Montagnard pistols, etc. Guess if I lived in the USA!, I'd be doing life. He should have gotten a bra holster....

[robuzo]

^&^^. That's it, folks. Now, to Snub as a gun guy, WTF is a bra holster, why would anyone carry a gun there, and how was the barrel pointing at her eye?

I guess it isn't these:


And that arrest over a flintlock is the dumbest thing I've seen today, but it's early.

[Humbert]

The “they” in this equation is the state of New Jersey. The “I” is Van Gilder, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher from the town of Millville. And that “law-breaking”? Well, that could be extremely costly indeed. For transporting a 300-year-old flintlock pistol without a concealed-carry license, Van Gilder has been charged with a second-degree felony — specifically, with “unlawful possession of a handgun” — and he is facing a maximum of ten years in state prison. This, he suggests, is “unbelievable.”

Apparently in conflict with federal gun laws.

Under the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, any cartridge firearm made in or before 1898 ("pre-1899") is classified as an "antique", and is generally outside of Federal jurisdiction,[8] as administered and enforced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

[Boon Mee]

The “they” in this equation is the state of New Jersey. The “I” is Van Gilder, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher from the town of Millville. And that “law-breaking”? Well, that could be extremely costly indeed. For transporting a 300-year-old flintlock pistol without a concealed-carry license, Van Gilder has been charged with a second-degree felony — specifically, with “unlawful possession of a handgun” — and he is facing a maximum of ten years in state prison. This, he suggests, is “unbelievable.”

Apparently in conflict with federal gun laws.

Under the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, any cartridge firearm made in or before 1898 ("pre-1899") is classified as an "antique", and is generally outside of Federal jurisdiction,[8] as administered and enforced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Yep, best that 72 year old criminal was led off in leg irons and handcuffs.

No righteous Police State would have it any other way, eh?

[bsnub]

As to me being a "gun guy" I do not see myself as that.

Wasn't meant to be insulting. I know you have a lot of guns, spend time at the range, and thought you might have heard of these.

None taken I just don't identify with a lot of the gun culture in the US. In fact most of my friends have no idea I own guns.

[OhOh]

Yep, best that 72 year old criminal was led off in leg irons and handcuffs. No righteous Police State would have it any other way, eh? Boon Mee is online now Add to Boon Mee's Reputation Report Post

I am surprised he wasn't shot on sight.

Him, having a hearing impairment, wouldn't have heard the "Get on the ground and put your hands behind your head" order, shouted by the 16 armed SWAT team/police officers.

[slackula]

I am surprised he wasn't shot on sight.

He's not black.

[Necron99]

to Snub as a gun guy, WTF is a bra holster, why would anyone carry a gun there, and how was the barrel pointing at her eye?

You got me. I have never seen one of those before and to carry a loaded firearm in something that is pointing at you us just asking for the Darwin award.

As to me being a "gun guy" I do not see myself as that. There are a lot of idiots who own guns in America. It really is the perfect storm for these types of accidents.

Earlier in the thread I said that America would definitely be a safer place if it was gun free. Where my opinion differs with most in this thread is that passing more laws will not make any difference as there are to many guns floating around out there already. Confiscation would never work for that same reason. It would start a civil war.



Hell the government trying to seize a tax dodgers ranch (Cliven Bundy) brought out these sovereign citizens and "oathkeepers" out in droves. The fed had to retreat.

How does anyone think they can go door to door in a nation of 320 million people taking guns with loads of people like that? It is impossible.