How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

**Cujo** · 16-12-2016, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by bsnub

What is the motivating factor in doing that?

It's called the right of reply, an old fashioned concept when things were discussed fully prior to enacting any further measures. We are now witnessing the explosion of "fake news" rightly being highlighted for all to see.

Nobody, other than "Tongue in cheek" me, has claimed any other position for The LORD, known as President Putin to some.

The accepted western view is and was that he and his friends views were somewhat dangerous and only the god loving Ameristani view was correct. Millions have been murdered, millions have had their lives ruined by the current mind set that might is right and it's my way or the highway.

Your tall tree has been rotting inside for decades, it's now apparent to all.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Yeah, cowardly Putin has barrel bombs

It's a known fact that The LORD is a piss poor helicopter pilot. He couldn't hit a hill side if he tried. He does know his way around a hot Kamchatkathough.

Originally Posted by bsnub

he has far more deadly munitions deployed in Syria. He turned Aleppo into glass.

Thje facts are somewhat different in the real world.

If true, Aleppo city is what 500 sq km, how many millions of sq kms has the crusader coalition glassed, ionised, polluted and made unfit for human habitation during their empires reigns?

No problems the Chinese will just extend the Cinderella portion of the new Aleppo theme park.

Ameristani, crusader coalition, FFS, earth to Neo. Get a grip.

**Neo** · 16-12-2016, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

earth to Neo

**Neverna** · 16-12-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Humbert

Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns. Much more in the Stalin tradition.

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

Got any evidence for that claim? Or even a link?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

His triggerman Assad used them

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

**Cujo** · 16-12-2016, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Cujo

earth to Neo

But....but... LOOK.... EMAILS!

**Neo** · 16-12-2016, 05:22 PM

straight over the top of your head, but in your defence; it is a very deep hole you're trying to dig yourself out of

**Humbert** · 16-12-2016, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.

**buriramboy** · 16-12-2016, 06:18 PM

Using Humberts logic the war crimes of Saudi Arabia in Yemen are America's war crimes.

**RPETER65** · 16-12-2016, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.

Don't forget your wonderful Obama just let him walk right in.

**Neverna** · 16-12-2016, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.

You made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...

Originally Posted by Humbert

Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns.

That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.

**harrybarracuda** · 16-12-2016, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Using Humberts logic the war crimes of Saudi Arabia in Yemen are America's war crimes.

Funny you should say that...

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/14/139029...udi-war-crimes

**sabang** · 16-12-2016, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Don't forget your wonderful Obama just let him walk right in.

And what would you have done- dropped loadsa real Big barrel bombs to try and protect your Islamic militant, foreign mercenary allies? So they could just go ahead and finish the destruction of Palmyra, and the mass rape and enslavement of Yazidi women? Burn a few hundred more people alive, for the titillation of the Youtube community?

A brave and noble demonstration of your commitment to human rights, freedom and democracy I am sure. But we are all witness to how well that has succeeded. Enjoy your Freedom fries.

**Cujo** · 16-12-2016, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

straight over the top of your head, but in your defence; it is a very deep hole you're trying to dig yourself out of

Ameristani? Are you suggesting some connection between the 'stan countries and the states?
Crusader coalition? Are you suggesting it's some kind of religious affiliation?
Seriously. Get help.

**Humbert** · 17-12-2016, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.

You made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...

Originally Posted by Humbert

Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns.

That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.

You are very naive about Putin's game.

**Neverna** · 17-12-2016, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Before, you said Putin has them and suggested he had used them. When I ask you for evidence for that, you change and say Assad has them. So, no evidence that Putin has them or has used them. As I thought. Humbert = wrong.

It's idiotic of you to dispute that Assad is Putin's puppet. The war crimes of Assad are the war crimes of Putin. Indistinguishable. It's obvious that this dictator enthralls you.

You made a simple statement that Putin has barrel bombs...

Originally Posted by Humbert

Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns.

That's bullshit and you know it. Moving the goalposts twice to hide your embarrassment about making such a silly claim and getting called out on it doesn't stop it being a silly claim and doesn't stop you being shown to be wrong. Admit you were wrong and get over it, FFS.

You are very naive about Putin's game.

Another deflection attempt?

Are you still saying Putin has barrel bombs and has used them?

**Humbert** · 17-12-2016, 01:27 AM

^absolutely, two faces of the same coin. Mass murderer.

**sabang** · 17-12-2016, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Mass murderer.

It might be interesting to compare the number of people killed under his orders, with those killed under dubya and obamas orders.

**DrB0b** · 17-12-2016, 05:39 AM

Putin helped defeat the murderous savages who held Aleppo. No matter what he or Assad may be like they are a million times better than the IS filth who turned Aleppo into a slaughterhouse while Western idiots offered every help they could to the "rebels". This is one of the most astonishing pieces of mass delusion I've ever witnessed. The so-called rebels are IS and al-Qaeda. They are monsters who slaughtered their way through Syria. Why on earth is there so much sympathy for them? Are you all insane?

Well done Russia for having the balls to slaughter those bearded monsters while the West, as usual, wrung its hands in fraudulent sympathy while loudly blaming the victims of the fundamentalist death cults for their own enslavement, rape, and murder.

**RPETER65** · 17-12-2016, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Don't forget your wonderful Obama just let him walk right in.

And what would you have done- dropped loadsa real Big barrel bombs to try and protect your Islamic militant, foreign mercenary allies? So they could just go ahead and finish the destruction of Palmyra, and the mass rape and enslavement of Yazidi women? Burn a few hundred more people alive, for the titillation of the Youtube community?

A brave and noble demonstration of your commitment to human rights, freedom and democracy I am sure. But we are all witness to how well that has succeeded. Enjoy your Freedom fries.

When Obama made red line threats over Syria using chemical weapons, then failing to follow through Putin and the rest of the world knew they were free to carry out their death and destruction tactics.

**Humbert** · 17-12-2016, 05:59 AM

^^Code brown alert again. Christ it's getting thick in here with all the worship for Putin and Assad.

**Neo** · 17-12-2016, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by Neo

straight over the top of your head, but in your defence; it is a very deep hole you're trying to dig yourself out of

Ameristani? Are you suggesting some connection between the 'stan countries and the states?
Crusader coalition? Are you suggesting it's some kind of religious affiliation?
Seriously. Get help.

You're quoting OhOh's posts you fucking moron

**DrB0b** · 17-12-2016, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

^^Code brown alert again. Christ it's getting thick in here with all the worship for Putin and Assad.

I spent quite a lot of my life in Syria. I know Aleppo very well. I always travelled to Syria by bus and train, crossing the border outside Antakya - in Turkey. Antakya is also known as Antioch, you might want to look upthe significance of that name in Western culture (although these days it's nothing special). I have many, many friends in Aleppo. maybe I should say I HAD many, many friends there. I spoke to some of the survivors today. Friends I haven't spoken to for a long long time but who are now able to communicate over the internet because Bashar's army escorted them out to safety.

Every single one of my Christian friends is dead, you do know Aleppo had a large Christian community, don't you. Every single one of them, entire families from grandparents to toddlers. Mostly crucified or decapitated. The women raped first of course, even those in their 80s. Waste not, want not, eh? It wasn't the Syrian Army or the Russians who did that.

They were all killed by the rebels, most of them were killed quite slowly. The area of the city they live in has gone, blown up. Not blown up by barrel bombs, blown up by IS and Al-Qaeda. It was a lovely area, little winding alleyways with bars and restaurants hidden behind tiny little doors. They weren't illegal but they always reminded me of speakeasys, open the tiny door and you were in a huge room, two stories high, hundreds of people talking and laughing, a piano player in the centre. I always ordered the local speciality, a kind of kibbeh kebab with a black cherry sauce. All gone now, an entire culture wiped out by an evil death cult.

I always stayed at the Baron Hotel. It was owned by an Armenian, Mr Masmoulian, I think. I never knew him. I knew Mr Walid though, the Major-Domo. I used to hire his 1950's Buick, Aziza, for trips around Aleppo and visits to the Dead Cities. I would carry messages for him to his enormous family all around Syria, Hama, Homs, Tadmor, Damascus. They're all gone now too.

I drank in the bar of the Baron, the barman was a Palestinian. It was a tiny bar, T.E Lawrence and Agatha Christie drank there a long time ago, when we got nostalgic the barman would take the old guestbooks out of the safe so we could see their signatures. When I was a regular most of the customers were Alawite Mukhabarat, we used to get very drunk on raki and sing scurrilous songs about Bashar and his semi-deified brother Basil.

I had many Muslims friends too, we used to walk to the souk together and I'd visit their houses and eat halva, lots and lots of halva. I hate halva. They'd visit me and we'd drink raki. Aleppo is one of the oldest cities on earth, maybe even the oldest. We'd talk about that and wonder if that was the reason Christians, Jews, and various different types of Muslim lived together peacefully. Most of them had absolutely no time for fundamentalists and worried about those who supported Al-Ikhwan al-muslimeen, most of them supported what Hafas and Riaat did in Hama, always called "the incident" in Syria, and only wishing that they'd finished the job.

Did you know Syria was the only country where people still spoke on a daily basis the language Jesus spoke?

Most of those muslim friends are dead too. Killed because they weren't Muslim enough, or because they had attractive wives or children. Or because they liked to drink raki with foreigners.

Anyway, out of my many hundreds of friends and acquaintances in Aleppo I've been able to get in touch with only three in the last couple of days. Two doctors and a teacher, I knew them and their families well. These days, of course, they're just refugees and victims, the object of Teakdoor contempt and vilification, and their families are much, much smaller.

They told me that a couple of days ago they had to hide because the heroic rebels you seem to love so much were moving through the streets killing everyone they saw. They were finally rescued by the Syrian Army and taken to a Refugee centre.

The Syrian Army, once they'd taken an area, moved through the streets rounding people up and taking them to refugee centres just outside the city. My friends that they are with thousands of people and under the protection of the army and they have not heard a single instance of these alleged Syrian Army death squads reported in the Western media.In fact they'd never even heard those stories until I mentioned them.

They are pathetically grateful to Putin. They looked to the West for help and we pissed on them. Putin came and rescued them and they don't care about his ultimate aims. They just care that they're finally free of the nightmare creatures that have destroyed everything they held dear.

Don't give me this shit about Putin or Assad. Nothing either of them has ever done compares remotely to the atrocities inflicted on the Syrian people by the so-called rebels our governments and our media have supported. The aims of Putin are entirely suspect but the fact is that his military have rescued tens of thousands of people from fates we can barely imagine. The few remaining of the many Syrians I once knew are only grateful that somebody, finally, came to their aid and are very clear that no matter how bad Bashar or Putin might have been they are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the IS and al-Quaeda filth the Western media have been lauding as rebel heroes.

**Hugh Cow** · 17-12-2016, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Anyway, out of my many hundreds of friends and acquaintances in Aleppo I've been able to get in touch with in the last couple of days. Two doctors and a teacher, I knew them and their families well. These days, of course, they're just refugees and victims, the object of Teakdoor contempt and vilification, and their families are much, much smaller.

Sometimes we get so caught up in our own particular politics and ideology we forget about those people that live under the threat of death and injury every day. We see the statistics but we are far away from the human suffering. Regardless of whether i agree or disagree with Drbob, his story has brought home the terrible suffering these people have had to endure. It is not just a story in the papers but a real human tragedy.

**forreachingme** · 17-12-2016, 10:12 AM

Putin is at the head of the biggest country in the World, a LOT of ressources available there still... People are very friendly over there, so as anywhere. Putin is a clever guy.

Americans are used to live on Credit and abused the system that should collapse any time. It is the people there that shall revolution against their own aristocrats to restore a viable level. Sadly propaganda from said Aristocrats is believed and followed, draining in the World to suffer and reset to a new same same...

If the World would concentrate on abolishing actual monetary system and discuss new ways, better possibilities than Wars would emerge.

Wars keep aristocrats ruling and people dying for "Nation", "Religion" or due to "propaganda evil actions of other camp".

Wake up World or well, eat dollars bills, tasty that, ya might soon be flooded with those...

**harrybarracuda** · 17-12-2016, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Don't give me this shit about Putin or Assad. Nothing either of them has ever done compares remotely to the atrocities inflicted on the Syrian people by the so-called rebels our governments and our media have supported. The aims of Putin are entirely suspect but the fact is that his military have rescued tens of thousands of people from fates we can barely imagine. The few remaining of the many Syrians I once knew are only grateful that somebody, finally, came to their aid and are very clear that no matter how bad Bashar or Putin might have been they are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the IS and al-Quaeda filth the Western media have been lauding as rebel heroes.

What a fucking load of rubbish.

Assad and Putin are putting down an insurrection by the majority Sunni population that Assad was attacking with military weapons from day one of this conflict.

To suddenly try and paint either of them as a fucking saviour is cretinous to the extreme.

And this rebellion will never end now, until Assad and his cronies are fucked off to Iran where they belong or hung from the nearest trees.

**sabang** · 17-12-2016, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad and Putin are putting down an insurrection by the majority Sunni population

No, they are not. A large amount (most, actually) of government forces, and government senior officials, and gov't supporters, are Sunni. Secular Sunni in particular- middle class, urban. Such as Pres Assad's wife. It is exceedingly doubtful even a near majority of the Sunni population in Syria support the Islamist rebels- even if they have no great love for the Assad regime. Who wants to live under Isis, or al Qaeda?

In contrast, most of the fighters left with IS & Al Qaeda are foreign- they are not Syrian at all. Support for the Islamist rebels comes mainly from poorer, rural, Islamist sectors of society. The sort of people who resent seeing affluent, middle class Sunni's, Allawite's, Chritians, Kurds mixing it together in urban nightclubs and restaurants- spending the sort of money they can't, getting merrily drunk, and having a great time together. And then of course, there are the Kurds- same old agenda, they want their own Homeland- or at least greater self determination. They have a point.

In your ignorance and utter naivete in falling for your government's and a compliant media's onslaught of mendacious propaganda, you are now supporting vile, sadistic Jihadists in a campaign of slaughter and wholesale ethnic cleansing against people like us. Nice one.

Thank you, President Putin- it is you alone who is standing up for our values of tolerance, pluralism, secularism and religious freedom. Kill as many of the vile Islamist scum as possible, before they can land in Europe as refugees and attempt to further debase our society from within. Same applies to the Assad regime, and Iran. Believe me, we are debased enough- We (or at least those who basely claim to speak for us) are Terrorist supporters and sympathisers.

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