Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by OhOh

I know I have.

It allows one to sift the the wheat from the straw. Telling the truth actually is less stressful than lying. You might want to try it for a week or so.

I do nothing but.

However, I think you sift the wheat for the barnacles given the utter fucking poop you try and trot out as "truth".

Poor Vlad, made to look like a muppet twice in a week.

I expect he's had a few more people executed for it.

In Russia, there is a popular saying that goes like this: "Responsibility is punishable". In other words, if you stick your neck out, you risk getting your head chopped off - so it is better not take the initiative.

I have been thinking about that phrase after two recent screw-ups tarnished carefully cultivated media spectacles designed to portray the Russian state in the best possible light.

The first eye-raising incident surfaced on President Vladimir Putin's annual "direct line" television show - a highly choreographed question and answer session where specially selected Russians get the chance to quiz the head of state.

This year's edition came with an added feature: viewers were invited to "direct-text" the president with their messages appearing live on the screen - and some responded with brazenly defiant statements like: "Putin, you really think that people believe this circus with its planted questions?", "All of Russia thinks that you've been too long on your 'throne'", and "Three presidential terms is enough!"

It seems highly unlikely that the programme's producers would have pre-approved such rebellious content and, revealingly, the off-message texts disappeared for an hour or two. I began to wonder what would happen to the person who had come up with the "live-text" idea.

A few days later, the Kremlin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov waved the "rouge-texts" incident away. Many of the questions were of an "emotional nature", he said, adding that the viewers "were not expecting us to answer them".

The second public relations debacle centred on the footage Mr Putin showed filmmaker Oliver Stone during his much-derided documentary on the Russian leader.

"This is how our air force operates," said Mr Putin as he played some grainy video on his iPhone.

"These militants are running with arms; not just machine guns, but they have some serious weaponry at their disposal, which they used to destroy army vehicles."

Mr Stone nods his head obligingly - but the footage was fake. The Russian president was actually showing pictures of US troops shooting at Taliban fighters in Afghanistan in 2013.

For added realism, someone had added some audio of Ukrainian pilots operating over Donbass. The discovery was made by sharp-eyed researchers at a Russian non-profit Conflict Intelligence Team.

Once again, I wondered how it could have happened. Was a junior officer in the Ministry of Defence ordered to doctor up a video - or did he simply think he would get away it? What was clear, however, was that nobody in a position of responsibility was going to take responsibility.

Instead, we heard from Mr Peskov, who deployed the standard Russian defence - denial. "This is not true," he said. "Nonsense". And that was it.

In both of these cases, reality got in the way of a couple of carefully-constructed events - and the reality of things in Russia is hardly ideal. The economy is stagnant, the standard of living is dropping and an over-sized military eats up badly-needed funds.

But you will not see any of that on state television. Instead Mr Putin & co prioritise the appearance of things - the appearance of strength and stability for example. That way, you do not have to take responsibility for what is really going on.

Sky Views: Reality ruins Putin's image of stability

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

said Mr Putin as he played some grainy video on his iPhone.

gayer than a blue on a bender

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Poor Vlad, made to look like a muppet twice in a week.

One wonders where the leaders of the free world publish their own version of:

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

President Vladimir Putin's annual "direct line" television show

Not even a search of fake news sites displays anything of a similar scale and interest.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"This is how our air force operates," said Mr Putin as he played some grainy video on his iPhone. "These militants are running with arms; not just machine guns, but they have some serious weaponry at their disposal, which they used to destroy army vehicles." Mr Stone nods his head obligingly - but the footage was fake. The Russian president was actually showing pictures of US troops shooting at Taliban fighters in Afghanistan in 2013.

Factually correct, no mention of where, just how and it's targets armaments. The footage was not fake, the "reporter" assumed wrongly. He and harry

You're missing the point HoHo. While Vlad the twat was trying to say how brilliant his air force was, he was actually showing a video of US forces tearing up the talitubbies.

You're as embarrassingly fucking stupid as he is.

But you probably can't order anyone to be executed for showing you up as such.

vlad is a tard

Originally Posted by ENT

Unless intercept missiles were up to it

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're as embarrassingly fucking stupid as he is.

fucking ironic coming from you

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're as embarrassingly fucking stupid as he is.

fucking ironic coming from you

Fuck off you fat queer troll, no-one's interested in your perpetual babbling.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fuck off you fat queer troll, no-one's interested in your perpetual babbling.

another irony, because anyone is interested with your babbling ?

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But you probably can't order anyone to be executed for showing you up as such

his latest annual fireside chat allowed text messages which were run on screen

I know, see post #2596.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

While Vlad the twat was trying to say how brilliant his air force was,

Perhaps he would impress the world if he said that they have the best chocolate cake...

Deafening silence about Putin on Crimea...

However, a deafening noise in Europe with the funeral of Germany Ex-Chancellor Helmut Kohl, with a pompous ceremony at EU Parliament in Strasbourg, first ever for a politician.

+++ Helmut Kohl funeral - live updates +++ | News | DW | 01.07.2017

Whereas his predecessor Helmut Schmidt had contributed much more for EU. And when he died some year ago - in a full intellectual strength in his 96 - unlike the Kohl - he was not equally honoured by EU. Perhaps since he publicly agreed with Putin's action on Crimea.

April 30, 2015:
If he were in Putin’s shoes, he’d be inclined to act in the same way.

According to Schmidt, Putin is not a war monger. He is just the leader of a nation “in a bad situation.” He is not troubled by the fact that Putin says one thing and does another. This, after all, is what politicians do. Schmidt does not believe that Putin “wants something bigger” (such as an expansion of hostilities beyond Ukraine), but things can happen that he does not want. The tension in east Ukraine, according to Schmidt, does not depend on Putin. If Russia had another leader, we would be confronting the same problems today.

Schmidt allowed that if he were in Putin’s shoes, he’d be inclined to act in the same way.

Putin is simply the leader of a powerful nation that is currently “not successful.” He faces the difficult task of holding the world’s largest nation, by land mass, together. For this reason, Schmidt blames the putative expansion of the European Union into Putin’s backyard (Ukraine, Georgia, and Armenia) as the root cause of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The European Union’s actions have been “idotic…child’s play.” The “nonsense” (“Umfug”) began when Yanukovich was overthrown for rejecting Ukraine’s westward move. If the European Union had minded its business and not interfered in Russia’s back yard, all would be OK today.

Schmidt divides the world into spheres of influence, which are not to be tampered with. Schmidt is an extreme moral relativist. All politics is based on lies and self interest. There is no real difference between Putin’s repression of political opposition and the United States’ involvement in the Middle East. Politicians do what they must do, and they have been doing so for centuries. Putin defends the periphery of the Russian empire just as the Czar’s armies did two centuries earlier.

https://balticscholars.stanford.edu/?p=1185

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

While Vlad the twat was trying to say how brilliant his air force was, he was actually showing a video of US forces tearing up the talitubbies.

Try reading the sentence again and point out, here on TD for all to agree or not, where the location of the video shoot was mentioned or the reference to any particular place, by the LORD. Skimming is not the same as scrutinising.

Another fail harry, any more and your chocolate ration will be doubled.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

However, a deafening noise[silence] in Europe

On the contrary, the European leaders are looking forward to the upcoming G20 meeting in Berlin. The agenda has been agreed the object is to illustrate how isolated ameristani public positions are from the rest of the world.

Is a week too long for you to wait or are you just accepting the ameristani positions as presented by ameristani MSM are all fake?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Try reading the sentence again and point out, here on TD for all to agree or not, where the location of the video shoot was mentioned or the reference to any particular place

Are you being deliberately obtuse or just plain stupid?

Not only did he say "This is how our air force operates", he then went on to describe them as militants, the implication clearly being that they are IS militants and it was his airforce bombing them.

Just in case you've forgotten, the Russians have not been fighting the taliban in Afghanistan (at least since they last got their arses kicked there).

I'm afraid Putin was made to look like a prize c u n t.

Don't make yourself look a bigger one by trying to find some pathetic excuse for it.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

the implication clearly being that they are IS militants and it was his airforce bombing them.

The Lord states it was his airforce, Russian I agree, I am assuming the "grainy video" shows his airforce attacking somebody.

I have not viewed it so possibly the video shows ISIS flags, men with long beards, men carrying home the heads of Syrian soldiers or even a voice over/Title stating "THIS VIDEO CONTAINS IMAGES OF ISIS TERRORISTS BEING SLAUGHTERED IN SYRIA."

Your own "interpretation/implication/opinion" was not what I asked for. The facts are that the LORD did not state who, where or what the Russian armed forces were attacking, the LORD did not say and was not quoted as saying.

According to your post, #2596

"The second public relations debacle centred on the footage Mr Putin showed filmmaker Oliver Stone during his much-derided documentary on the Russian leader.

"This is how our air force operates," said Mr Putin as he played some grainy video on his iPhone.

"These militants are running with arms; not just machine guns, but they have some serious weaponry at their disposal, which they used to destroy army vehicles."

Mr Stone nods his head obligingly - but the footage was fake."

Your assumption, because you misread or didn't understand the sentence, is wrong. Your source, you link to it, is fake.

Twat.

The video is not new, watch your Olly Stone wankfest and look at it.

You *are* a bigger tit than Vlad.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Twat.

The video is not new, watch your Olly Stone wankfest and look at it.

You *are* a bigger tit than Vlad.

I suppose that you - as a truth seeker - have seen the 4 hours talks of "Olly Stone" with the "Vlad".
Could you enlighten us what particular lies the "Vlad" had disseminated, or just did not say the truth? (beside the "fake" combat video)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Twat.

The video is not new, watch your Olly Stone wankfest and look at it.

You *are* a bigger tit than Vlad.

I suppose that you - as a truth seeker - have seen the 4 hours talks of "Olly Stone" with the "Vlad".
Could you enlighten us what particular lies the "Vlad" had disseminated, or just did not say the truth? (beside the "fake" combat video)

Why would I waste four hours of my life watching that shit?

Do you honestly think it matters?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Twat.

The video is not new, watch your Olly Stone wankfest and look at it.

You *are* a bigger tit than Vlad.

I suppose that you - as a truth seeker - have seen the 4 hours talks of "Olly Stone" with the "Vlad".
Could you enlighten us what particular lies the "Vlad" had disseminated, or just did not say the truth? (beside the "fake" combat video)

Why would I waste four hours of my life watching that shit?

Do you honestly think it matters?

How many hours of your life are you wasting here? However, it does matter, doesn't it?

What is the psychology of somebody who does not waste time to listen what was said, however, claims it is a shit?

(Reminds me of the US delegation at UN General Assembly leaving the scene when they do not want to listen what is not convenient to them. And on their whistle all their close friends leaving as well...)

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I know Putin is an ex-KGB supremo who has maintained his grip on power by means of corruption and violence.

As matter of fact, he was not a "supremo" of KGB. Do you know more how he did it as a small guy from a post in East Germany ?

On other hand a real "supremo" of a counterpart of KGB, was Bush sr., director of CIA. How he had maintain his grip on power? (Quite easy for him with his ancestors, wasn't it?)

BTW, can you name a state that does not possess an Intelligence Agency? (Beside such as Kingdom of Tonga, for them it's made by others - free of charge)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I know Putin is an ex-KGB supremo who has maintained his grip on power by means of corruption and violence.

As matter of fact, he was not a "supremo" of KGB. Do you know more how he did it as a small guy from a post in East Germany ?

On other hand a real "supremo" of a counterpart of KGB, was Bush sr., director of CIA. How he had maintain his grip on power? (Quite easy for him with his ancestors, wasn't it?)

BTW, can you name a state that does not possess an Intelligence Agency? (Beside such as Kingdom of Tonga, for them it's made by others - free of charge)

You know if you're going to spout off on something, at least learn the facts first.

On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Putin as Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the primary intelligence and security organization of the Russian Federation and successor of the KGB. He held that position until 9 August 1999.

Unless you're going to be one of these pedantic wankers who wants to quibble that the KGB had changed its name by the time he took over it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Putin as Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the primary intelligence and security organization of the Russian Federation and successor of the KGB. He held that position until 9 August 1999.

What does it prove? Should the FSB stay without an Director?

BTW, should Yeltsin stay some time longer at the helm, it wouldn't be any complain from the West, would it?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Putin as Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the primary intelligence and security organization of the Russian Federation and successor of the KGB. He held that position until 9 August 1999.

What does it prove? Should the FSB stay without an Director?

BTW, should Yeltsin stay some time longer at the helm, it wouldn't be any complain from the West, would it?

And off we waffle at some completely irrelevant tangent, suggesting you might has well have kept your gob shut in the first place since you haven't got a fucking clue.