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By Rob Garver
October 15, 2015

Vladimir Putin’s ongoing effort to keep the U.S. off balance has forced the White House into yet another politically awkward choice. The Obama administration has officially refused a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and a high-level delegation of Kremlin officials, following an offer from the Russian government to open up talks about the ongoing conflict in Syria.

The offer, extended by the Kremlin, was ostensibly an effort to begin coordinating the two countries’ military efforts against the terror group ISIS. However, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the administration has no interest in aligning with the Kremlin in Syria.

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“We’re not interested in doing that, as long as Russia is not willing to make a constructive contribution to our counter-ISIL effort,” said Earnest, according to The Washington Times, referring to the terror group by the acronym preferred by the White House. “Russia has their own agenda and it’s an agenda right now that they’re pursuing on their own. So it’s not particularly surprising to me that President Putin would resort, in some desperation, to try to send the second-highest ranking official in the Russian government to the United States to try to convince us to join them. But the fact is that is a request that’s fallen on deaf ears.”

“We can just express regret,” said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, according to the government-run news organization TASS. “Any refusal to start dialogue, moreover in such a sensitive situation like we have in Syria, does not facilitate, let's say so, the soonest salvation of that country and the whole region from the so-called Islamic State.

Seems to me that these two guys will complete their Kabuki dance, which is all about resolving the tragedy (theirs, not Syria's) of who got here first with the best reason so that neither of them looks like a loser.

If Putin wanted to go after ISIS, he'd go after ISIS instead of bombing the rebels. But by every action it seems he's all about propping up Assad.
Like the men in uniforms without insignias in Ukraine weren't really part of the Russian army, they were just soldiers on leave who wanted to spend it in Ukraine helping old ladies across the street.
I don't believe an F'ing word he says. Bibi Netanyahu on a horse.

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Originally Posted by MrG

If Putin wanted to go after ISIS, he'd go after ISIS instead of bombing the rebels.

but the rebels are ISIS, there is a porous frontier between those 2 groups, don't believe the BBC and CNN, they are trying to sell a story that was sponsored by their respective government

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

But Putins moves in the ME have nothing to do with countering "American aggression". You're reaching again.

What a sorry state the world is in after 15 years of war and uprising in the Middle East. Where will it end if a line is not drawn in the sand? It isn't Russia that has brought turmoil to the Middle East. What should Putin do if not prepare for the worst? The White House has refused to enter talks with him.

Does the US get to play out these scenarios again and again for the rest of eternity..?

Somebody has to say no to them sometime... you know Russia is allied with Iran too?
It's all very quiet in Iran right now isn't it? They're like shhhh... the Americans are coming.

..... to finish negotiating the Nuclear deal. With the rest of the P5+1.

Don't you have proper news channels where you live?

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by MrG

If Putin wanted to go after ISIS, he'd go after ISIS instead of bombing the rebels.

but the rebels are ISIS, there is a porous frontier between those 2 groups, don't believe the BBC and CNN, they are trying to sell a story that was sponsored by their respective government

Not actually true Dragonfly. The rebels are part of an internal uprising based mainly in the south against Assad's forces, with other independent groups fighting to maintain an enclave in the north. ISIS are along (coming in through) the Turkish border and through the centre of the country.

In among all the chaos are US (and UK / Israel ?) special forces, trying to push one or all of these groups against (ostensibly) overthrowing Assad. But ISIS are in effect a force armed and funded by a US proxy, Saudi Arabia.

There is a genuine rebellion going on in Syria against a dictator that is as bad as any other ME dictator, but the greater cause now is that Syria doesn't disintegrate like Iraq or Libya and leave a vacuum to be exploited.

And MrG, of the first round of 19 Russian airstrikes, 13 were aimed at ISIS.

You're both talking utter dribble.

There is no "ISIS" any more for a start. They changed their name more than a year ago.

And while they have weapons from the rebels, the Saudis certainly don't want them armed. They represent a real threat to them. They've even built a fucking great big wall on one side and are building an even bigger one on the other.

IS aren't traversing the Turkish border, they are coming over the Iraq border from where they began back in 2006. And they are armed mainly with US weapons stolen from the Iraqi army who dropped everything and fled at the first sign of trouble.

I do wish you would understand these three simply facts before you go off on your little fairy tales.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I do wish you would understand these three simply facts before you go off on your little fairy tales.

Nice story Harry, not too complicated and a happy ending, cheers.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

..... to finish negotiating the Nuclear deal. With the rest of the P5+1.

I am under the impression that all have signed, can you link to the ongoing "negotiations"

Originally Posted by MrG

But by every action it seems he's all about propping up Assad.

Every action ? There were, allegedly, some cruise missiles fired from the Caspian Sea, did they not hit terrorist targets. According to the Russian military they " all hit their targets". The fact that they may have hit some targets within Iran is neither here or there if the Iranians are happy.

Assad has requested assistance. The targets are presumably from Assad, with input from all the coalition partners, as such he is setting out the goals. The Russians, as some say, are just the cannon fodder paid for by who knows.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course it's about Assad. He's Russia's friend and sends them billions of dollars every year.

Assad won an election, an election as good as ony other countries.

As good as North Korea's, yes.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

..... to finish negotiating the Nuclear deal. With the rest of the P5+1.

I am under the impression that all have signed, can you link to the ongoing "negotiations"

No I can't, because it's irrelevant to the point that the deal pours piss on your claims of America planning top invade Iran.

Assad has requested assistance. The targets are presumably from Assad, with input from all the coalition partners, as such he is setting out the goals. The Russians, as some say, are just the cannon fodder paid for by who knows.

I assume you mean Putin's Crusader Coalition.

AFAIK the Russians are being paid by their country.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

AFAIK the Russians are being paid by their country.

That may be where the armed forces salary is paid from, but who tops up the Russian bank account?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

AFAIK the Russians are being paid by their country.

That may be where the armed forces salary is paid from, but who tops up the Russian bank account?

Vlad's?

I assume Bashir is slipping money into his Cayman Islands Young Savers Account.

Two countries leaders, actually smiling at each other. Amazing.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy but not a superpower.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Anybody who refuses to kowtow to the crusader coalition is a superpower.

Eh? Like IS and Boko Haram?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Look at Russian reserves of wealth. Abundant natural resources, Food, Water, Oil and Gas, Industrial Capacity,

Now low end minerals, gas and oil supplier, thanks to years under communism and dictatorship.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Democratic Government

In Russia. Oh, Oh. On this forum it's often mentioned you are off your meds when someone disagrees with someone.

But now you are really off your trolley.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Two countries leaders, actually smiling at each other. Amazing.

Putin: "Hello fuckface, have you got my cash?".

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

But now you are really off your trolley

This



or this

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Eh? Like IS and Boko Haram?

Oh I belive an ill man in an Afghani cave scared the shit out of one unexceptional "super power" for decades.

^ He was in a villa in Pakistan.

Pakistan...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

^ He was in a villa in Pakistan.

More likely in Kansas wit Dorothy.

No problems boys the Yanks are coming, again and again and again.

"The US is prepared to use “direct action on the ground” against Islamic State targets, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told lawmakers. He also promised ramped-up airstrikes and support for Iraqi forces besieging Ramadi.

"We won't hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against ISIL, or conducting such missions directly whether by strikes from the air or direct action on the ground," Carter told the Senate Armed Services committee."


So the DS has informed SASC that America is at war in Iraq with planes and troops on the ground. Did a vote legally authorising this war ever take place, did it get agreed again or does the DS have authority to willy nilly start another ground war even thou the POTUES has stated "their will be no troops on the ground"?



What will the Americans do when the P4+1 troops and planes attack the alleged American, "capable partners"?

Apparently the Americans are never tired of getting their arse kicked,

^ Keep living in your fantasy world butters. This is your new multi nic I see.

going after windmills ?

Americans love to have their arse kicked, and keep getting it

the problem is the collateral damages of innocent civilians, not the dead Americans wishing to have their arse kicked

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Keep living in your fantasy world butters. This is your new multi nic I see.

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