Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

not helping Assad is helping IS, it's really that simple

the US is helping IS because they need to keep them busy before they target Israel next

and let's not forget that the Pentagon is ruled by the same fanatics as IS

Prominent members of the Pentagon seem to believe that by creating WW3, the messiah will come back

I mean we are back to a 15th centuty religious war,

Only a former Communist can save us from all those religious lunatics,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Why would the US (or anyone else) sit down and give genocidal dictator Assad a free pass?

because they do for others like SA etc... double standard ? understand that word ?

I don't recall the Al Saud family shooting, shelling and bombing to death tens of thousands of their subjects.

And I would most probably know about it.

Try again.

what about secret prison tortures ? you probably know all about them too

the Saudis rulers are brutal dictators, no need to bomb your population during a crisis to be one.

Are you really supporting that double standard ?

Incidentally the current SA dynasty come from Jewish descendents, which makes it very interesting in terms of delusion and deceive in this region

Yeah, Putin wouldn't get up to that shit would he?



And yes we all know Arabs and Jews are descendants of Semites, did you really only just find that out?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

not helping Assad is helping IS, it's really that simple

the US is helping IS because they need to keep them busy before they target Israel next

And which tinfoil fuckwit multinic are you then?

2 October 2015

UK policy in Syria has been hampered by "wishful thinking", says a former top military adviser in the Middle East.

Lt Gen Sir Simon Mayall said the UK had underestimated the staying power of President Bashar al-Assad.

In an interview with BBC Newsnight, he painted a picture of a UK being in a strategic muddle over Syria and described Russia's intervention as "hugely significant".

The general's remarks, in his first interview since stepping down, reflect wider frustration among senior officers about the lack of a coherent strategic approach to the Middle East, and risk-aversion among political leaders in the UK as well as the United States.

Lt Gen Mayall spent much of his career in the Arab world - including as deputy commanding general of coalition forces in Iraq 2006-2007, and Defence Senior Adviser Middle East 2011-2015.

It has emerged recently that during discussions in 2012 of possible plans to hit Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces, General David Richards, now Lord Richards, chief of the general staff asked rhetorically whether the prime minister was sure Britain was about to bomb the right people.

Lt Gen Mayall says he argued at that time, "that the Assad regime would fight to the last", but that policy makers had got caught up in the excitement of the Arab spring and hoped the Syrian leader would be swiftly overthrown.

The Russians, he believes were, "in many ways more realistic about the staying power of Assad".

Russian President Vladimir Putin has argued in recent weeks that his country's operation in Syria is designed to prevent the type of state implosion that took place in Libya after Nato's intervention there in 2011.

The British general's remarks show there is some sympathy for this objective among senior officers in the West, particularly after Western experiences there, in Iraq following the 2003 invasion, and in Afghanistan.

UK policy in Syria hampered by 'wishful thinking' - BBC News

Originally Posted by Neo

Putin may garner favor from being so outspoken, but that's because his view matches the opinion of a vast proportion of the worlds inhabitants.

Yes, I see all those newly enlightened world inhabitants running to Russia and China for sanctuary, or even hope of a better life. If you want the life Russia or China offer, please go for it. Post from there, tell us all about it.

If they let you.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Prominent members of the Pentagon seem to believe that by creating WW3, the messiah will come back

Name..?quotes..?articles...?links...? Anything...?

Russian President Vladimir Putin has argued in recent weeks that his country's operation in Syria is designed to prevent the type of regime change that would fuck up his multibillion dollar business with Assad.

Fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Prominent members of the Pentagon seem to believe that by creating WW3, the messiah will come back

Name..?quotes..?articles...?links...? Anything...?

#8: “I believe God wants me to be president” is a Bush’s statement that came during a meeting with Rev. Richard land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, in 1999.


#9: [I was] “chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment”, is a Bush’s quotation reported by Michael Duffy in Time magazine immediately after 9/11.


#10: “God told me to strike at al-Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them“ comes from a remark made by Bush to Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath, made to and reported by BBC News on Thursday, October 6 2005.


#11:“I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job” is a Bush’s remark to a group of Amish people he met with privately on July 9, 2004, and as published by the Lancaster New Era, July 16, 2004.





hope that helps

No, irrelevant to what you were asked.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Prominent members of the Pentagon seem to believe that by creating WW3, the messiah will come back

Name..?quotes..?articles...?links...? Anything...?

#8: “I believe God wants me to be president” is a Bush’s statement that came during a meeting with Rev. Richard land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, in 1999.


#9: [I was] “chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment”, is a Bush’s quotation reported by Michael Duffy in Time magazine immediately after 9/11.


#10: “God told me to strike at al-Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them“ comes from a remark made by Bush to Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath, made to and reported by BBC News on Thursday, October 6 2005.


#11:“I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job” is a Bush’s remark to a group of Amish people he met with privately on July 9, 2004, and as published by the Lancaster New Era, July 16, 2004.





hope that helps

It does now that I know you are conflating statements from old neo cons in the past with the present leaders.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Neo

Putin may garner favor from being so outspoken, but that's because his view matches the opinion of a vast proportion of the worlds inhabitants.

Yes, I see all those newly enlightened world inhabitants running to Russia and China for sanctuary, or even hope of a better life. If you want the life Russia or China offer, please go for it. Post from there, tell us all about it.

If they let you.

A bit hysterical even for you MrG. Why run to Russia or China..?

Why not just stay in your own country and not be marginalised and dictated by US inc.. you know like South and Central America would like to do.. Even the citizens of Europe would like their countries back please.

Of course I can understand you being so focused on the size of Putin's pecker, but it's the bigger picture this pertains to. An end to aggressive US corruption and bloodshed.

Nothing hysterical about it, and you're dodging the point of the post. If the vast majority of the world sees it the way Putin does, then certainly a vast majority of people looking for sanctuary would go there. They don't except for Snowden, but that's a seperate issue.

Originally Posted by MrG

you're dodging the point of the post

Really..? Your point seems somewhat melodramatic and illogical.

Originally Posted by MrG

If the vast majority of the world sees it the way Putin does, then certainly a vast majority of people looking for sanctuary would go there.

Why would you move to a country because you agree with opinion of the country's leader?

Pretty much a majority of public opinion was in favour of the profound views of Walesa or Mandela, but I think very few thought of packing up their home and their livelihood and leaving for Poland or South Africa.

If I'm missing it, what is the point of your post exactly..?

Originally Posted by MrG

It does now that I know you are conflating statements from old neo cons in the past with the present leaders.

And you think there is a difference between the old neo cons and the neo neo cons..?

When did this schism happen? Even Eisenhower didn't see that coming.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Prominent members of the Pentagon seem to believe that by creating WW3, the messiah will come back

Name..?quotes..?articles...?links...? Anything...?

#8: “I believe God wants me to be president” is a Bush’s statement that came during a meeting with Rev. Richard land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, in 1999.


#9: [I was] “chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment”, is a Bush’s quotation reported by Michael Duffy in Time magazine immediately after 9/11.


#10: “God told me to strike at al-Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them“ comes from a remark made by Bush to Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath, made to and reported by BBC News on Thursday, October 6 2005.


#11:“I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job” is a Bush’s remark to a group of Amish people he met with privately on July 9, 2004, and as published by the Lancaster New Era, July 16, 2004.





hope that helps

No, irrelevant to what you were asked.

Oh... you mean a specific mention of 'the Messiah' .. yeah rather specious and difficult to pin down that seeing as it's based on mysticism and irrationality, but try reading the handbook Harry..

I'm sure you'll find it... just like the old neo cons and the neo neo cons

Here you go MrG, you may well remember this the first time around.

The U.S. is the only global superpower, with capabilities and responsibilities that dwarf any and every other state in the world. And, as the below charts show, the U.S. defense budget reflects that reality, outspending all other nations by a significant amount. What is notable about the scale of the U.S. budget is not just its relative size to other nations, but also how many other of the major players (albeit an order of magnitude smaller) are close U.S. allies, like the UK or Japan, or unlikely foes, like India or Brazil. Only two of the top ten, China and Russia could be put in the category of potential adversaries



I hope Putin's got enough immigration clerks to handle the influx

Originally Posted by Neo

Really..? Your point seems somewhat melodramatic and illogical.

I think you're trying to whip up some froth where there isn't anything to work with. But that's your business. Carry on.

Originally Posted by Neo

Why would you move to a country because you agree with opinion of the country's leader?

I'm not talking about the country's leader. Did you believe I was thinking of people showing up at Putin's dacha? I'm talking about the country and the quality of life there, not to mention personal freedoms and food, which is a function of the government and its laws. Putin could leave this afternoon, but you won't see people trying to get in.

Originally Posted by Neo

Of course I can understand you being so focused on the size of Putin's pecker, but it's the bigger picture this pertains to. An end to aggressive US corruption and bloodshed

Yes, American aggresion and corruption. Not to mention arrogance, hypocracy, greed and just plain flat-footed mistakes. We can match Russia tit for tat anyday. Are you suggesting these things don't exist. But Putins moves in the ME have nothing to do with countering "American aggression". You're reaching again.

And as far as your interest in Putin's precious pecker, the image of the short dick that I made in previous posts does not refer to the actual member (I have no idea, actually, do you?) but as a metaphor for the character of the man as he presents himself. Look at him in meetings with State leaders when he bothers to arrive on time; leaning over, slouched in his chair with his legs wide apart as if he were some tough guy. He comes across as a cocky little punk showing off his indifference. And then there's the Shirless Horseman character he likes to play. Looks to me like a man who, at least as far as the member in his mind is concerned, is definitely pecker challenged.

Originally Posted by Neo

Here you go MrG, you may well remember this the first time around.

A good warning from Old Ike. We should have listened. But if you're suggesing that Putin is in the process of doing something about it, I don't think even he is that grandiouse.

I don't know what you mean by the first time around.

Originally Posted by MrG

Look at him in meetings with State leaders when he bothers to arrive on time; leaning over, slouched in his chair with his legs wide apart as if he were some tough guy. He comes across as a cocky little punk showing off his indifference. And then there's the Shirless Horseman character he likes to play. Looks to me like a man who, at least as far as the member in his mind is concerned, is definitely pecker challenged.

Kinda shooting there messenger there MrG, well what the heck, I don't think much of the despotic and repressive scumbag either, but I find it hard to fault what he is saying.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Look at him in meetings with State leaders when he bothers to arrive on time; leaning over, slouched in his chair with his legs wide apart as if he were some tough guy. He comes across as a cocky little punk showing off his indifference. And then there's the Shirless Horseman character he likes to play. Looks to me like a man who, at least as far as the member in his mind is concerned, is definitely pecker challenged.

Kinda shooting there messenger there MrG, well what the heck, I don't think much of the despotic and repressive scumbag either, but I find it hard to fault what he is saying.

I find it hard to believe a F'ing word he says.

Originally Posted by Neo

I don't think much of the despotic and repressive scumbag either, but I find it hard to fault what he is saying.

Then you really aren't very bright at all.

Originally Posted by MrG

But Putins moves in the ME have nothing to do with countering "American aggression". You're reaching again.

What a sorry state the world is in after 15 years of war and uprising in the Middle East. Where will it end if a line is not drawn in the sand? It isn't Russia that has brought turmoil to the Middle East. What should Putin do if not prepare for the worst? The White House has refused to enter talks with him.

Does the US get to play out these scenarios again and again for the rest of eternity..?

Somebody has to say no to them sometime... you know Russia is allied with Iran too?
It's all very quiet in Iran right now isn't it? They're like shhhh... the Americans are coming.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

I don't think much of the despotic and repressive scumbag either, but I find it hard to fault what he is saying.

Then you really aren't very bright at all.

Snappy comeback Harry have a donut.