Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Like I said you have no clue how US government works. Not a clue.

If the house had say over foreign policy. Oh never mind

So, one part of the USA democratic process has no relevance, to the foreign policy decisions.

Pray tell does any body, other than the POTUS, else have any influence on the USA foreign policy?

POTUS sets foreign policy in the US not the Congress. Congress can pass as many referendums as they wish but the president has no obligation to pay any attention to them.

The referendum passed this month was simply urging the President to arm the Ukrainians. It is hollow and means next to nothing.

^Thanks

"lethal defensive weapons"
Isn't it a joke? Killing, however, defensing
Perhaps, more believable (for the ones who want to believe) would be
"defensing lethal"?

1.3 - 2 M people dead within last couple of years.

A study of IPPNW (health organisation of 63 nations) - Nobel Prize for Peace 1985: Casualty Figures after 10 Years:

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf


Somebody should tell to the dangerous Mr. Putin to stop the killing.

For what he got in 2009 the Nobel Prize for Peace?

Originally Posted by bsnub

POTUS sets foreign policy in the US...

Trying hard to imagine, how the big guys go every day in the meeting, excited and curious awaiting what the POTUS will at last tell them, what to do.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

1.3 - 2 M people dead within last couple of years.

A study of IPPNW (health organisation of 63 nations) - Nobel Prize for Peace 1985: Casualty Figures after 10 Years:

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf


Somebody should tell to the dangerous Mr. Putin to stop the killing.

For what he got in 2009 the Nobel Prize for Peace?

If Putin wants to invade and kill won't sending weapons the Ukrainian Army and militias give him further justification to do so?

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

Gee I wonder...

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters. I'm sure one of them ended up here on TD (but seems to be AWOL at the mo).

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters. I'm sure one of them ended up here on TD (but seems to be AWOL at the mo).

However, RFE/RL surely would not lie to us (aren't they professionals?)

BTW, I like the first photo in the link. Isn't it the ENIGMA machine that broke the Nazi German secret code?

Originally Posted by Neverna

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters.

Do you have a link for that?

Not at the moment, but it was widely reported at the time (about a year or two ago).

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Neverna

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters.

Do you have a link for that?

You find it hard to believe that a government employs people to spread disinformation on the internet..?

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Neverna

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters.

Do you have a link for that?

You find it hard to believe that a government employs people to spread disinformation on the internet..?

Not at all I just asked for a link is that so hard? Of late I have noticed a shit ton of Russian trolls on Youtube and other places. Especially with regards to Ukraine.

The US disinformation is perhaps more subtle.

Originally Posted by bsnub

The US disinformation is perhaps more subtle.

faux news is hardly subtle - it cannot be as it needs to be understood by morons

Originally Posted by baldrick

faux news is hardly subtle

Yes but they don't employ interweb trolls (as far as we know).

I can't find a link to the specific articles I can remember but here are some that might be of interest (not just the USA).

Here's one that says Israel does it: Israel: Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News

Vietnam admits it: Vietnam admits deploying bloggers to support government - BBC News

One from 2011 that says the USA intended to do it and was developing software to do it: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media | Technology | The Guardian

An NGO supported financially by the US State Department: https://www.counterextremism.org/res...11/viral-peace

The UK planting misinformation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_T...lligence_Group

Dollars spent on buying Facebook likes and friends: State Department Facebook: DOS Spent $630,000 On 'Likes' For Social Media Pages, Report Indicates

^ Sorry but you failed to support your claim.

As I said, I can't find a link to the specific articles I can remember. So be it. There are so many unsupported claims on TD. I'm sure one more won't make a difference. My comment was just a throw away comment anyway. It's no big deal if you or others don't believe it.


Two more links (but still not the ones I remember).

heres-how-the-state-department-trolls-terrorists-on-social-media

https://www.counterextremism.org/res...11/viral-peace

Paul Craig Roberts (former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration):
"Americans are the worst informed people on the planet."

"The pro-American government installed in Lithuania is persecuting Lithuanians who dissent from the anti-Russian propaganda that is driving Washington’s NATO puppets to war with Russia."


Lithuanians Under Police State Attack: and the world under Washington?s attack -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org

The Russian foreign Minister accuses the Ukranians of sabotaging the MINSK II agreement and the "International Coalition" of illegally invading a sovereign nation, Yemen.

http://rt.com/news/247249-lavrov-ukraine-key-relations/

1. Moscow has previously criticized Kiev's unilateral invitation of a police force under the aegis of the EU into eastern Ukraine, saying the move undermined the Minsk ceasefire agreement because it wasn’t agreed by the rebel forces. Russia is ready to hear Kiev's proposals on the matter - if representatives of the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk are being involved in discussion, but Ukraine should be able to explain why such mission could be more effective than the already operating OSCE monitors, the minister said at a press conference on Monday.

2.
At the same time, US is trying to restrain other countries' relations with Moscow, Lavrov said, adding that such "demarches" make him question the decisions made by some US politicians.
"All partners who I meet when paying visits, and my colleagues who come with visits [to Russia] have come under pressure either from a US ambassador or some lower rank emissary from Washington who have traveled to the region with a warning," Lavrov said in the interview with Rossiya Segodnya.
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"It is obvious to me that Washington does not want to see the success of the Minsk agreements and overcoming of the crisis in Russian-European relations, although [US Secretary of State] John Kerry constantly reassures me of the contrary," he said.



3. Moscow is also disappointed by the actions of an international coalition, taking part in the military campaign against the Houthi rebels in Yemen without consulting UN's Security Council, Lavrov said in the interview on Monday. Saudi Arabia and other members of the coalition have only sought UN approval after having launched the operation, meaning that the campaign "has no internationally legal basis."

Originally Posted by bsnub

Yes but they don't employ interweb trolls (as far as we know)